itsnotoutthere Posted July 20, 2014 #226 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I saw that yesterday on a German news channel and could not suppress the thought that it was happening quite conveniently.... It seems some have taken time out from the conspiracy forum to join the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 20, 2014 #227 Share Posted July 20, 2014 It seems some have taken time out from the conspiracy forum to join the debate. You really couldn't be more wrong about Qmark. Did you know that early on Russia said the Ukrainians were trying to shoot down the Russian presidential plane? How convenient would that have been for Russia who is dying for a good excuse to go in there without completely alienating themselves from the west? And if not for the idiot with the twitter account it would not have been easy to disprove. Could that have possibly been a conspiracy gone wrong? Just because not everything is a conspiracy doesn't mean that all conspiracies are imaginary. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted July 20, 2014 #228 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) You're mistaken. US crash scene investigators and manufacturers are consistently called in when a Boeing or Mcdonnell Douglas crash anywhere in the world. If you're really a consultant I would think you would be aware of that fact. My friends father a Boeing aerospace engineer was called on to travel to crash sites around the world with NTSB officials more than once when I was younger that I can remember. And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that American sarcasm doesn't translate to Spanish well for people who are from the spanish rural areas instead of just stating you're a bit of an ass. Changed your tune a bit now haven't you? Previously you were suggesting that US investigators are the "best" and called in to pretty much every crash investigation irrelevant of manufacturer. Just to make it really clear for you: If a Boeing airliner is "downed" then Boeing will offer technical assistance to the Investigative team to ensure that debris is correctly tagged. If an Airbus airliner is "downed" the same applies with Airbus offering Technical Assistance to the competent authorities. Same for Bombardier, Cessna, Beech craft, etc etc. But that is obvious to anyone and your snide remarks inform me of your knowledge in this area. All Air Traffic Investigative agencies share their techniques and knowledge, through the various reports that are available during, and at the closure, of investigations. Often several National agencies will be involved and work together as a team to pool their knowledge and expertise in a specific investigation. And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that American sarcasm doesn't translate to Spanish well for people who are from the spanish rural areas instead of just stating you're a bit of an ass. This is just risible and petty. English is my mother tongue, and when I first transferred out to Spain it was to consult on the MRTT, FSTA, A400M, TP400D6 for Airbus in Madrid, where I spent my first 7 years (didn't realise that Madrid was some "rural area"!!!). So in the future, instead of just proving your ignorance to all here, try to think first because you are the one who is coming over as asinine. Edited July 20, 2014 by keithisco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 20, 2014 #229 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) Changed your tune a bit now haven't you? No I have not. Just to be clear since you didn't pick it up sarcasm was an element in my other post. And thank you for remaining true to form and being an ass. Edited July 20, 2014 by OverSword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted July 20, 2014 #230 Share Posted July 20, 2014 No I have not. Just to be clear since you didn't pick it up sarcasm was an element in my other post. And thank you for remaining true to form and being an ass. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 20, 2014 #231 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I apologize. I'm actually winning the ass race now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted July 21, 2014 #232 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I don't think the rebels cared for one minute what they shot down. Some 'trigger happy' lunatics picked up an aircraft on radar..... wanted to see the missile hit the target....and send the message..."look what we can do" As far as I'm concerned, it was just another act of terrorism.....another sick and perverted crime against humanity. These uneducated and evil war mongers, know nothing but death, violence, misery and destruction. 3 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted July 21, 2014 #233 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I don't know about that. These things aren't cheap or that easy to come by. Having captured one of these, I can't imagine the rebels handing it to the guy they least expect to make good use of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted July 21, 2014 #234 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I don't know about that. These things aren't cheap or that easy to come by. Having captured one of these, I can't imagine the rebels handing it to the guy they least expect to make good use of it. Sure a1...and I understand that. But really, how much faith and credibility can we put into these type of fanatical leaders?They are simply rogues, and so are their followers. I doubt, that they care about the cost of these weapons. Apparently, General Phillip Breedlove, the commander of the US European Command has stated that Moscow has been supplying Ukrainian separatists with weapons. I am aware that the world knows of this...and Putin should be made accountable, despite all of the 'buck passing' and nobody taking any responsibility for this horrific crime. Also, Russia's official news agency, ITAR-TASS, reported that pro-Russian rebels took a BUK system under their control. The report didn't specify whether or not this was theft from the Russian or the Ukrainian Military, or that the rebels had seized control of the weapons systems. A launcher similar to the BUK missile was seen by Associated Press Journalists near the Eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne, which is held by pro-Russian rebels, earlier Thursday. The thing is, these groups are nothing but vile thugs, the so called leaders amongst these groups are chaotic and neglegent extremists. It's the blind leading the blind. They moved in quickly to plunder from the plane wreckage and stole the personal effects of the innocent victims that died. They have hidden evidence and trampled over the wreckage site.....it's been a free for all. I feel that any investigation into this by the proper International Authorities will fall by the way side. I just hope that the families will finally be able to retrieve their lost love ones.....and finally lay them to rest in their given countries. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 21, 2014 #235 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Why, specifically, should Putin be held responsible? At most it seems that he could be held to blame for supplying the Rebels with weapons. Can he be held accountable for what they do with them? Did Barack Obama murder Palestinian children with the weapons and support he's given to Israel? 3 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted July 21, 2014 #236 Share Posted July 21, 2014 To my understanding, it's one of those "straw that broke the camel's back" situations. Puting had x number of little schemes going, none that were individually enough to take any serious action on, but something like this, that backfired so spectacularly (granted, this is an arena where giving rebels with weapons is considered a minor thing), draws attention to all of them as a whole, and the whole picture doesn't look good for Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 21, 2014 #237 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Why, specifically, should Putin be held responsible? At most it seems that he could be held to blame for supplying the Rebels with weapons. Can he be held accountable for what they do with them? Did Barack Obama murder Palestinian children with the weapons and support he's given to Israel? Well has Putin put pressure on the rebels to allow the investigators all access? no, has he stopped the train carrying the bodies? no Edited July 21, 2014 by Yes_Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 21, 2014 #238 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What were all these fiendish schemes he had going? Like putting a spoke in the wheel of the war with Syria Obama wanted? Like having to take some action to protect his interests and security after a right-wing coup ousted the elected government in Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted July 21, 2014 #239 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Why, specifically, should Putin be held responsible? At most it seems that he could be held to blame for supplying the Rebels with weapons. Can he be held accountable for what they do with them? Did Barack Obama murder Palestinian children with the weapons and support he's given to Israel? I agree that this may be the case....it does not justify any major power (Nations) providing advanced weapons to any terrorist organization in the world, which has been proven to be absolutely irresponsible and a crime against humanity. Edited July 21, 2014 by Astra00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted July 21, 2014 #240 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What were all these fiendish schemes he had going? Like putting a spoke in the wheel of the war with Syria Obama wanted? Like having to take some action to protect his interests and security after a right-wing coup ousted the elected government in Ukraine? CNN has an entire section for them. I don't know enough details to go into it with any level of authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted July 21, 2014 #241 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Why, specifically, should Putin be held responsible? Cuz 'Murrica sez so. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted July 21, 2014 #242 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Info: "If you thought Buk (SA-11) SAM operators had a clear view of the airspace around their vehicle you were wrong." http://theaviationis...k-telar-images/ Edited July 21, 2014 by toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted July 21, 2014 #243 Share Posted July 21, 2014 "According to an authoritative source, two Su-27 Flankers escorted the Malaysian Boeing 777 minutes before it was hit by one or more missiles. (...) When the Crimea crisis began, the Ukrainian Air Force air command center quickly forward deployed six Su-27s to the Kulbakino AB. Since beginning of the crisis and the Russia intervention, the 831st TAB has the important task to provide air defense as well as security of whole country. Six fully armed Flankers have always been in the sky especially when the other Ukrainian Air Force airplanes such as transporters and attackers like Fulcrums and Rooks were in the East of Ukraine,” explains Taghvaee." http://theaviationist.com/2014/07/21/su-27s-escorted-mh17/ I have no idea how trustworthy this Mr. Babak Taghvaee is but THE AVIATIONIST generally is a trustworthy source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted July 21, 2014 #244 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cuz 'Murrica sez so. Only this time the attacked country (Ukraine) says so too. You shouldn’t disregard what victims of aggression say just to spite ‘Murica. Unless it’s a case of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” logic. Personally, I think you have no reason to go that far, but then again, *sarcasm start* what do I know how horrible is your life because of US. Must be much worse than life and death in Ukraine today. *sarcasm end* I had to mark the sarcastic part because I noticed many people can't detect it anymore. Must be super-Moon or something. 3 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted July 21, 2014 #245 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cuz 'Murrica sez so. I don't know, seems like the EU is being much more vocal than the 'Murricans about it. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted July 21, 2014 #246 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cuz 'Murrica sez so. Im not saying it was the Americans, but it was the Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted July 21, 2014 #247 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Despite whoever pushed the button,the conspiracy theories that have now taken root are quite ridiculous.. Edited July 21, 2014 by shaddow134 3 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucidElement Posted July 21, 2014 #248 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Well i just bought a few thousand shares of Malaysian Airline stock at .075 cents.. I guess i am now an owner of malaysian air. I figured for .075 USD why not try it out. Edited July 21, 2014 by LucidElement 2 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 21, 2014 #249 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well i just bought a few thousand shares of Malaysian Airline stock at .075 cents.. I guess i am now an owner of malaysian air. I figured for .075 USD why not try it out. Well, kiss 'em goodbye. The company is up to the board of director's floor in debt and the disappearance of MH314 plus this thingy does not make it any easier for them to fill the voids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSS Posted July 21, 2014 #250 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Well, kiss 'em goodbye. The company is up to the board of director's floor in debt and the disappearance of MH314 plus this thingy does not make it any easier for them to fill the voids. Still worth a punt at that price...with any luck they'll get a buy-out in the near-future....at .75 a share I think i'll get some myself. 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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