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Malaysian Aircraft shot down over Ukraine


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P.S, it would be interesting in the flight voice recorder if there was any communication between the two craft, which looks like there wasn't and which Malaysian Airlines didn't report any problems as far as we know. There was other passenger planes flying around nearby too. Also note how the 777 is flying straight, not banking or turning. If there was a missile from a Mig or Sukhoi? we would of seen the plane make a drastic turn at the last minute.

It's unlikely the plane would have even known it was being fired upon, but that is neither here nor there. The photo, as shown by BMK, is a blatant fake, and not even after making the scale comparisons. There is absolutely no way a fighter jet would get that close to fire at a target.

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If there was a Ukranian fighter jet, people would of heard it, you can hear them at least 20,000 ft plus. Also why did the Russians delay the release of the image? The original image looks like a confirmation image of the Malaysian airlines flight and the rest photo shopped in. Also shouldn't the fighter plane be behind the 777?

The whole photo is fake. Both aircraft are way out of scale.

Also note how the 777 is flying straight, not banking or turning. If there was a missile from a Mig or Sukhoi? we would of seen the plane make a drastic turn at the last minute.

No. They wouldn't have known a missile was being fired at them. Also, with an aircraft, the 777's TCAS system may not have picked up a fighter jet, but air traffic control would have done so and most certainly informed MH17's crew of the presence of an "unidentified aircraft" within their vicinity.

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Why would Russia shoot down a passenger plane, and for what gain? The Rebels on the other hand, and that Tweet by the Rebel fighter/leader who was bragging about shooting down a plane, the tweet was removed rather sharpish when it transpired that plane was a passenger plane. But what of the Ukrainian military? they were being defeated all over the place, with no Ukrainian air force in the sky, they could wrongly assume that every plane was Russian and tried to shoot one down. the Buk SA-11's are in service with the Ukrainian military. and even though i doubt the Ukrainian military shot it down. they did have the system. and they have lied numerous times. remember their defence spokesman confirming Russian Armour had entered Ukrainian territory and was then completely destroyed by Ukrainian forces.

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Why would Russia shoot down a passenger plane, and for what gain? The Rebels on the other hand, and that Tweet by the Rebel fighter/leader who was bragging about shooting down a plane, the tweet was removed rather sharpish when it transpired that plane was a passenger plane. But what of the Ukrainian military? they were being defeated all over the place, with no Ukrainian air force in the sky, they could wrongly assume that every plane was Russian and tried to shoot one down. the Buk SA-11's are in service with the Ukrainian military. and even though i doubt the Ukrainian military shot it down. they did have the system. and they have lied numerous times. remember their defence spokesman confirming Russian Armour had entered Ukrainian territory and was then completely destroyed by Ukrainian forces.

Well gain did the Russians get when shot down the Korean Airlines flight?

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Why would Russia shoot down a passenger plane, and for what gain? The Rebels on the other hand, and that Tweet by the Rebel fighter/leader who was bragging about shooting down a plane, the tweet was removed rather sharpish when it transpired that plane was a passenger plane. But what of the Ukrainian military? they were being defeated all over the place, with no Ukrainian air force in the sky, they could wrongly assume that every plane was Russian and tried to shoot one down. the Buk SA-11's are in service with the Ukrainian military. and even though i doubt the Ukrainian military shot it down. they did have the system. and they have lied numerous times. remember their defence spokesman confirming Russian Armour had entered Ukrainian territory and was then completely destroyed by Ukrainian forces.

The Ukrainian Airforce had lost an aircraft in the same bit of airspace just a week or so before. They also lost helicopters but they could of been due to Manpads.

MH17 was shot down, that is with out doubt.

Could it of been a Fighter? Sure, but why would a fighter pilot for Ukraine or Russia willfully engage a civilian airliner?

What makes the most sense was a BUK Missile system operating with out C2 using on board radar picked up the aircraft. Now not knowing what it was, and just generally that there was an aircraft they assumed it was Ukrainian Military, launching the missile it locked on to MH17. We know the rest.

So what makes the most sense? A Ukrainian (or Russian) fighter engaging a civilian Airliner or a single BUK missile system operating with out C2 launching at a target on the radar screen with out knowing anything else other then there is a target on the radar screen.

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The Ukrainian Airforce had lost an aircraft in the same bit of airspace just a week or so before. They also lost helicopters but they could of been due to Manpads.

MH17 was shot down, that is with out doubt.

Could it of been a Fighter? Sure, but why would a fighter pilot for Ukraine or Russia willfully engage a civilian airliner?

What makes the most sense was a BUK Missile system operating with out C2 using on board radar picked up the aircraft. Now not knowing what it was, and just generally that there was an aircraft they assumed it was Ukrainian Military, launching the missile it locked on to MH17. We know the rest.

So what makes the most sense? A Ukrainian (or Russian) fighter engaging a civilian Airliner or a single BUK missile system operating with out C2 launching at a target on the radar screen with out knowing anything else other then there is a target on the radar screen.

ground Missile system i'd say. i cant remember but was the Buk system in the rebel hands captured equipment? because i cant see Russia handing over such a system to untrained rebels.

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We've been through this before. It's a load of bull****.

Yes, it is a load of bull**** and that's what the Dutch board is discovering. It's a load of bull****, and that's why Kiev had to quickly seize the ATC records.

A classic false flag, the West has everything to gain while Russia and its separatists would be shooting themselves in the foot if they had done it.

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ground Missile system i'd say. i cant remember but was the Buk system in the rebel hands captured equipment? because i cant see Russia handing over such a system to untrained rebels.

Now if they could just find somebody who observed the sign of a ground launched missile....

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If I'm not mistaken there was smoke trails photographed from rebel territory and posted online on the 17th. Smoke trails consistent with a missil launch.

Though it's been awhile since I've seen them.

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Why would Russia shoot down a passenger plane, and for what gain? The Rebels on the other hand, and that Tweet by the Rebel fighter/leader who was bragging about shooting down a plane, the tweet was removed rather sharpish when it transpired that plane was a passenger plane. But what of the Ukrainian military? they were being defeated all over the place, with no Ukrainian air force in the sky, they could wrongly assume that every plane was Russian and tried to shoot one down. the Buk SA-11's are in service with the Ukrainian military. and even though i doubt the Ukrainian military shot it down. they did have the system. and they have lied numerous times. remember their defence spokesman confirming Russian Armour had entered Ukrainian territory and was then completely destroyed by Ukrainian forces.

The Ukrainian military wasn't being defeated at that time and the only Ukrainian military aircraft flying were transport and ground attack aircraft.

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Yes, it is a load of bull**** and that's what the Dutch board is discovering.

The Dutch were the ones that discovered the missile fragments. They weren't awakening to the "idea" that it was shot down by an aircraft.

A classic false flag, the West has everything to gain while Russia and its separatists would be shooting themselves in the foot if they had done it.

And that's why the rebels have been silent about the whole issue. Nobody wants to be implicated in something as serious as this. But the evidence points to a shootdown by a surface-to-air missile, not an air-to-air missile.

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Yes, it is a load of bull**** and that's what the Dutch board is discovering. It's a load of bull****, and that's why Kiev had to quickly seize the ATC records.

A classic false flag, the West has everything to gain while Russia and its separatists would be shooting themselves in the foot if they had done it.

Now if they could just find somebody who observed the sign of a ground launched missile....

When the rebels shot down the Ukrainan plane few days ago, it was seen by many local residents that a Buk Missile launcher was in the area. there is a photo of it somewhere on the Russian websites before it was used to shoot down the Ukranian plane.

Now one of the rebel republics is heard to have starting its own airforce, now for me thats a sign that some of the rebels don't trust Russia. That's why Russia says one thing and the rebels say another

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