Conspiracy theory is Tupac Still Alive?

[MID]

Is 2pac alive anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, but the question is...

How is it possible that this mundane, silly, moronic topic got started again?

[MID]

yall forgot that he was supposed to be buried but they changed that the next and he was creamated. and there was never a viewing for him anywhere. now how do you explain that?

How would you know that he was "supposed to be buried"?

If that was the case, who has the authority to change that?

Who says there has to be a viewing for anyone deceased?

You're inserting a bunch of nonsense into a situation that was no one's business but his family's.

Your answer is: his family decided what to do with his remains. Their reasons are their's and their's alone.

He's dead, and gone, and that's that.

[MID]

if they ever find the guy that shot him,they ought to give him a medal.tpac was nothing but scum of the earth,and deserved what he got,and then some! <!--emo&:angry2:--><img src='http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='angry.gif' /><!--endemo-->

I'd say that they should find everyone involved with him and lock them up.

I am still face-palming over this insane topic.

A guy who was a criminal, involved in a genre of "entertainment" that attracts and is run by people who are mostly criminals, gets killed, like so many others involved in that particular genre--and here we are again (well, some of us are)--questioning this all-too-typical outcome of criminals behaving like criminals.

He's dead, having joined the dead rapper club. Wow, that's a surprise...

There's nothing else to say about that. There's no mystery, no prophetic wisdom involved...just another example of societal detrioration and violence and the tragedy it attracts and experiences all the time.

[SlimJim22]

I think for a start the amount of animosity being directed at Tupac shows that there is more to the subject than meets the eye. It is a strange thing that he was killed after he started openly stating Killuminati.

There was no body, how many people die from a single gun shot wound to the torso proportionally?

You can facepalm all you like but his lyrics clearly have a theme anout him faking his own death.

He mentiones Obama and Hilary in one of his songs.

It was only after he was out of the way that the Rockafellla stooge JayZ could make his ascent to stardom. How can you call Tupac a criminal while not pointing a firm finger in JayZ's direction also?

There is more I could say but I'll leave it for another forum.

[MID]

I think for a start the amount of animosity being directed at Tupac shows that there is more to the subject than meets the eye. It is a strange thing that he was killed after he started openly stating Killuminati.

The animosity is not directed at Tupac.

It's more like frustration at the nonsense being attached to a thug...a group of thugs generally speaking; rappers, who have somehow ascended to entertainment industry prominence when most of them should be in jail for one reason or another. A culture of hatred and violence being prominently displayed as some form of "musical entertainment" is a reflection of a vast deterioration in many areas of society.

There's nothing more about this aberration than that. It's all very clear.

There's nothing whatsoever about some person speaking about killing people (which rappers have done ad nauseam, whether it be police, or other authority, or women, or imaginary illiminati, or whoever), living a life of debauchery and criminal conduct, and then getting killed (also a common rapper fate)that is unusual at all.

There was no body, how many people die from a single gun shot wound to the torso proportionally?

What do you mean there was no body?

That body was hospitalized with a multiple critical gunshot wounds. That body died and then was autopsied as a homicide.

Many people die from a single gunshot wound to the torso. This one was struck multiple times, had multiple surgeries, including the removal of his destroyed right lung, and died from respiratory failure and cardiac arrest as a result of internal bleeding

You can facepalm all you like but his lyrics clearly have a theme anout him faking his own death.

So...what's that mean?

He mentiones Obama and Hilary in one of his songs.

Ditto...so what? Obama and Hilary Clinton were mentionable, and have been mentioned thousands of times, by artists, by pundits, by commentators...

It was only after he was out of the way that the Rockafellla stooge JayZ could make his ascent to stardom. How can you call Tupac a criminal while not pointing a firm finger in JayZ's direction also?

Read again. Most all of these rappers are criminals. I have repeatedly stated that.

[SlimJim22]

The animosity is not directed at Tupac.

It's more like frustration at the nonsense being attached to a thug...a group of thugs generally speaking; rappers, who have somehow ascended to entertainment industry prominence when most of them should be in jail for one reason or another. A culture of hatred and violence being prominently displayed as some form of "musical entertainment" is a reflection of a vast deterioration in many areas of society.

There's nothing more about this aberration than that. It's all very clear.

There's nothing whatsoever about some person speaking about killing people (which rappers have done ad nauseam, whether it be police, or other authority, or women, or imaginary illiminati, or whoever), living a life of debauchery and criminal conduct, and then getting killed (also a common rapper fate)that is unusual at all.

What do you mean there was no body?

That body was hospitalized with a multiple critical gunshot wounds. That body died and then was autopsied as a homicide.

Many people die from a single gunshot wound to the torso. This one was struck multiple times, had multiple surgeries, including the removal of his destroyed right lung, and died from respiratory failure and cardiac arrest as a result of internal bleeding

So...what's that mean?

Ditto...so what? Obama and Hilary Clinton were mentionable, and have been mentioned thousands of times, by artists, by pundits, by commentators...

Read again. Most all of these rappers are criminals. I have repeatedly stated that.

Often the simplest answer is the right one but sometimes to get to the truth a conspiracy needs to be revealed.

When Tupac was shot he was very much cleaning up his act. He had distanced himself from DeathRow REcords and was a member of society upholding the law. The feud that was concocted by the media had very little basis in reality. What crimes did he commit that he desrved to be murdered?

It seems like Jay Z gets worshipped like an icon these days. Only the other week he was commenting in my national newspaper about broken Britain. Why ask him for his opinions let alone print them when he is an admitted drug dealer and murderer himself?

I doubt you have bothered to analyze Tupacs lyrics you might just be surprised by what you hear.

He was murdered in what, 1996 I think How could he have written songs with the names Obama in the lyrics? Hilary you could predict but what was Obama up to in the 90's? Was he in a president training program run by the Illuminati? Did Tupac somehow hear about it? It is only a hypothesis so chill out.

I have not seen the autopsy report but these things are easily forged if you have the readies and power to do so.

Why do you think rappers are criminals? That's a lot prejudice if you don't mind me saying. Care to back it up with some refernces?

[chaoszerg]

I think for a start the amount of animosity being directed at Tupac shows that there is more to the subject than meets the eye

Good grief people why do people do that, why try make it seem like something must be up because of that.

It's like when another member on here liked to say something must be strange or up or must be true because some skeptics would come along and disagree or because a topic generated a lot of attention.

Tupac is dead. Do you really think if there is a evil secret society out there they would be threatened by someone singing a song and mentioning them in it.

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[BuriedHope]

I heard he was supposed to come back on 7/7/07?

Just what people were saying back then.

[SlimJim22]

Good grief people why do people do that, why try make it seem like something must be up because of that.

It's like when another member on here liked to say something must be strange or up or must be true because some skeptics would come along and disagree or because a topic generated a lot of attention.

Tupac is dead. Do you really think if there is a evil secret society out there they would be threatened by someone singing a song and mentioning them in it.

Yes! If that person had the potential to act as a symbol for a counter culture. Maybe he is dead but a lot of people don't think he should die for nothing. Few people are willing to speak and those that do get iced or that is how it appears to me anyway. What do you think an evil secret society would be afraid of if anything?

[chaoszerg]

Yes! If that person had the potential to act as a symbol for a counter culture. Maybe he is dead but a lot of people don't think he should die for nothing. Few people are willing to speak and those that do get iced or that is how it appears to me anyway. What do you think an evil secret society would be afraid of if anything?

Why why would a evil society if they exist really give a crap about a thug mentioning them in his song, the only people who seem to believe it are conspiracy theorists or people who cant accept tupac is dead, not something to be really worried about. Conspiracy theorists well look at some of the wacky things they come up with and jump all over while hiding behind their beds thinking the government or evil society or alien race is out to get them. As for the ones who cant accept tupac is dead, They need to make some silly reason to try keep their idol alive.

It's just like folks who still believe Elvis is alive or well or that he was taken away by aliens for some reason.

I am sure that a evil supposedly secret society have better things to do then worry about what some random rapper has to say.

[SlimJim22]

Why why would a evil society if they exist really give a crap about a thug mentioning them in his song, the only people who seem to believe it are conspiracy theorists or people who cant accept tupac is dead, not something to be really worried about. Conspiracy theorists well look at some of the wacky things they come up with and jump all over while hiding behind their beds thinking the government or evil society or alien race is out to get them. As for the ones who cant accept tupac is dead, They need to make some silly reason to try keep their idol alive.

It's just like folks who still believe Elvis is alive or well or that he was taken away by aliens for some reason.

I am sure that a evil supposedly secret society have better things to do then worry about what some random rapper has to say.

I suggest you check out how many people are watching youtube videos on the subject. I think you will realize the answer to your question.

Take Malcolm X as an example. When he was involved in promoting violence and racial animosity he was no threat. When Tupac was addicted to drugs and women he was no threat. After Malcolm X returned from Mecca he was devoted to peace and bridging the racial divide. He now became a threat and was offed at the first opportunity. Tupac had turned his back on crime and drugs and even women and was studying about the Mayans and the mysteries. This is why he was killed. From being an insider he knew a lot of the secrets and it would not be convenient for this information to reach the public domain.

As for Elvis, maybe he was switched with a lookalike (ther's enough of them) and the real Elvis is now head of the NSA. The Illuminati is obssessed with eternal life so I wouldn't put it passed them that his life has been unaturally extended. There are strong links betweem Memphis and the Illuminati through the Memphis Mizraim Lodge so you can't discount it as a possibility. Thanks for raising the subject.

[chaoszerg]

I suggest you check out how many people are watching youtube videos on the subject. I think you will realize the answer to your question.

Take Malcolm X as an example. When he was involved in promoting violence and racial animosity he was no threat. When Tupac was addicted to drugs and women he was no threat. After Malcolm X returned from Mecca he was devoted to peace and bridging the racial divide. He now became a threat and was offed at the first opportunity. Tupac had turned his back on crime and drugs and even women and was studying about the Mayans and the mysteries. This is why he was killed. From being an insider he knew a lot of the secrets and it would not be convenient for this information to reach the public domain.

As for Elvis, maybe he was switched with a lookalike (ther's enough of them) and the real Elvis is now head of the NSA. The Illuminati is obssessed with eternal life so I wouldn't put it passed them that his life has been unaturally extended. There are strong links betweem Memphis and the Illuminati through the Memphis Mizraim Lodge so you can't discount it as a possibility. Thanks for raising the subject.

Please lets not throw youtube into make things have any credibility, there are lots of silly videos on youtube that people jump all over, lets not start imagining fantasies about Elvis.

This is how it always go someone makes a wild claim like Tupac is alive, people mostly obsessed fans who cant accept his death and some conspiracy theorists who need to find a new evil scheme to imagine jump all over it, then anything that is throw out that disagrees with them they make up more evil conspiracy's or wacky evil plans and go even more out there with their ideas that it just gets even more silly.

[SlimJim22]

Please lets not throw youtube into make things have any credibility, there are lots of silly videos on youtube that people jump all over, lets not start imagining fantasies about Elvis.

This is how it always go someone makes a wild claim like Tupac is alive, people mostly obsessed fans who cant accept his death and some conspiracy theorists who need to find a new evil scheme to imagine jump all over it, then anything that is throw out that disagrees with them they make up more evil conspiracy's or wacky evil plans and go even more out there with their ideas that it just gets even more silly.

Ok let's leave Elvis out of it Let's stick to facts.

1)Tupac was a very popular artist,

2)He made reference to the Illuminati and their plan,

3)He was interested with Mayan history,

4)He reformed his behavious,

5)He was murdered in cold blood, possibly by a friend,

6)His body dissappeared before cremation?

7)JayZ and the L'il Mafia rose to prominence after Tupacs death,

8)JayZ is seemingly obsessed with Illuminati and Masonic symbolism.

What I have stated are facts to my knowledge, interpret them how you like. It could be an elaborate marketing campaign or it could be something worse.

[chaoszerg]

Ok let's leave Elvis out of it Let's stick to facts.

1)Tupac was a very popular artist,

2)He made reference to the Illuminati and their plan,

3)He was interested with Mayan history,

4)He reformed his behavious,

5)He was murdered in cold blood, possibly by a friend,

6)His body dissappeared before cremation?

7)JayZ and the L'il Mafia rose to prominence after Tupacs death,

8)JayZ is seemingly obsessed with Illuminati and Masonic symbolism.

What I have stated are facts to my knowledge, interpret them how you like. It could be an elaborate marketing campaign or it could be something worse.

Just because they may have had a interest in that kind of stuff, because they are famous does not make that kind of stuff real in any way.

[MID]

Often the simplest answer is the right one but sometimes to get to the truth a conspiracy needs to be revealed.

When Tupac was shot he was very much cleaning up his act. He had distanced himself from DeathRow REcords and was a member of society upholding the law. The feud that was concocted by the media had very little basis in reality. What crimes did he commit that he desrved to be murdered?

Yes..of course he was.

In the past three years he'd been involved in a shooting, was sentenced to 1 1/2 to 4 1/2 years for sexual assault and abuse, a 1994 assault charge, a 1995 wrongful death suit, and a 1996 parole violation.

Indeed, on the night of his shooting, he was involved in an assault...as the assaulter.

Sure, he was cleaning up his act.

It seems like Jay Z gets worshipped like an icon these days. Only the other week he was commenting in my national newspaper about broken Britain. Why ask him for his opinions let alone print them when he is an admitted drug dealer and murderer himself?

I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I'd agree...

I doubt you have bothered to analyze Tupacs lyrics you might just be surprised by what you hear.

I was stunned by what I heard...initially.

He was murdered in what, 1996 I think How could he have written songs with the names Obama in the lyrics? Hilary you could predict but what was Obama up to in the 90's? Was he in a president training program run by the Illuminati? Did Tupac somehow hear about it? It is only a hypothesis so chill out.

He didn't write about Obama in 1996. He made reference to the idea that we weren't ready for a black President in 1996. It didn't mention Obama, who was just a State Senator from Illinois and relatively unknown on a national level in 1996, and a member of the Board of the Woods Foundation.

I have not seen the autopsy report but these things are easily forged if you have the readies and power to do so.

Sure.

Protocols are faked all the time...

Why do you think rappers are criminals? That's a lot prejudice if you don't mind me saying. Care to back it up with some refernces?

C'Mon...you have got to be kidding.

Tupak Shakur, Suge Knight, Dr. Dre, Lil Wayne...to name but a tiny fraction of the criminals involved in rap.

Please, it takes nothing to research it for yourself...

[Left-Field]

Tupak Shakur, Suge Knight, Dr. Dre, Lil Wayne...to name but a tiny fraction of the criminals involved in rap. Please, it takes nothing to research it for yourself...

And there are just as many criminals associated with the government (if not more), yet those criminals don't seem to bother you all that much.

Things may be packaged to look "good" or "bad", but it doesn't make their criminal actions any better or worse. You'll take the time to sit there and bash a "thug" like 2Pac, yet you're so quick to pardon and/or dismiss the criminal activities of "thugs" within the government.

[TheClassic]

Ok let's leave Elvis out of it Let's stick to facts.

1)Tupac was a very popular artist,

2)He made reference to the Illuminati and their plan,

3)He was interested with Mayan history,

4)He reformed his behavious,

5)He was murdered in cold blood, possibly by a friend,

6)His body dissappeared before cremation?

7)JayZ and the L'il Mafia rose to prominence after Tupacs death,

8)JayZ is seemingly obsessed with Illuminati and Masonic symbolism.

What I have stated are facts to my knowledge, interpret them how you like. It could be an elaborate marketing campaign or it could be something worse.

Whoa, where were the facts? 1 and 7? Im pretty sure the rest are speculative at best....

For those of you that aren't drooling over the thought of another conspiracy theory, I wondered about this topic a bunch of years ago when I first came across it. Most of the information on fan websites, labeled as "Is He Alive?" etc., is just plain not true. Check out the library, there's a hundred biographical articles and books, some even take the time to debunk this topic. I suggest "Holler if You Hear Me" by Michael Eric Dyson, he's a Minster and Professor at De Paul. He suggests the topic with members of the Outlawz and Snoop, among others, and they all have NO DOUBT that he's dead. The most common rebuttle is that he couldn't be hidden this long, both because of the media and his love of the limelight (some websites will doubt this fact, but he loved making music and loved acting, he wouldn't have given those up for the world). As for the "new" terms that he uses in songs made before 1996... 1) Head to Record Exchange every once in awhile and check for Tupac Mixtapes. You'll hear unreleased songs that you've probably never heard before. Then wait for the next Tupac CD to come out and you'll hear the same verses but with the new artists name subbed in for an older artists name. The best example is on "Strait Ballin'" with Kurupt, compared to its new version on Better Dayz with Trick Daddy entitled "Still Ballin'". The producer has subbed out the name "Kurupt" with "Trick" in a Pac verse. Buts its the same verse that was on a non-released single recorded in 1994. You'll notice lots of "New" songs are like. 2) Ive dabbled in the recording industry as a Producer (as a hobby for a little side cash), it is SUPER EASY to throw in "New" terms. It's not hard to find someone that can say a word imitating another person's voice and tone. There's even an essential DJ tool called "Pitch" that will lower or raise someones voice without even changing that person's own voice.

MiiiiiD, glad to see you are once again posting in a discussion that you obviously have no interest in. You had to have known how this would end up going, I believe I was bored enough to try and argue with you on the "moral" aspects a year or two ago in a different thread. I'm getting the impression that you get pleasure out of baiting rap fans. You know that you are right, on face value. You know fans will argue. You also know the moral "Who cares he was a criminal" aspect is not related to the threads topic but you still throw out small comments that you know will cause an emotional (for the less mature fans) debate. I'd say you are flame-baiting to let yourself hop on your high horse and ride out your disdain of the genre. I'm not saying you shouldn't hate it, I'm not even saying you are wrong. You present facts that are completely true, knowing that peoples emotional investment will cause them to argue, to support your negative personal opinion of the subject. I don't like that and I dont think it belongs.

On the positive side, I usually agree with you on every other thread you write! Usually a good voice of reason to the people that believe everything they read, keep it up! I think the "We didn't land on the Moon" thread stands out to me off the top of my head.

[MID]

And there are just as many criminals associated with the government (if not more), yet those criminals don't seem to bother you all that much.

Things may be packaged to look "good" or "bad", but it doesn't make their criminal actions any better or worse. You'll take the time to sit there and bash a "thug" like 2Pac, yet you're so quick to pardon and/or dismiss the criminal activities of "thugs" within the government.

No one mentioned criminal activity within government, nor pardoning them for misconduct.

However, I can't recall anyone who shot a police officer, was arrested for sexual assault and battery, who routinely engages in violent misconduct, who is in government.

...and if there was, well, he or she wouldn't be employed for long, as opposed to a vast majority of rappers, who remain gainfully employed, and even, in the case of Tupac Shakur, released a gold album while serving a prison sentence...

[MID]

MiiiiiD, glad to see you are once again posting in a discussion that you obviously have no interest in. You had to have known how this would end up going,

Yes. You have a point...

I believe I was bored enough to try and argue with you on the "moral" aspects a year or two ago in a different thread. I'm getting the impression that you get pleasure out of baiting rap fans. You know that you are right, on face value. You know fans will argue. You also know the moral "Who cares he was a criminal" aspect is not related to the threads topic but you still throw out small comments that you know will cause an emotional (for the less mature fans) debate. I'd say you are flame-baiting to let yourself hop on your high horse and ride out your disdain of the genre. I'm not saying you shouldn't hate it, I'm not even saying you are wrong. You present facts that are completely true, knowing that peoples emotional investment will cause them to argue, to support your negative personal opinion of the subject. I don't like that and I dont think it belongs.

Your point is well taken, to a certain extent.

I do, as a musician, have a certain disdain of the genre, for many a specific reason. That of course, is not a part of the thread's topic. Nor is this discussion regarding regarding the facts I've presented, however right they may be.

However, let's go back to what I said about Tupak being alive:

A guy who was a criminal, involved in a genre of "entertainment" that attracts and is run by people who are mostly criminals, gets killed, like so many others involved in that particular genre--and here we are again (well, some of us are)--questioning this all-too-typical outcome of criminals behaving like criminals.

He's dead, having joined the dead rapper club. Wow, that's a surprise...

There's nothing else to say about that. There's no mystery, no prophetic wisdom involved...just another example of societal detrioration and violence and the tragedy it attracts and experiences all the time.

Now...if that's baiting, well...someone's a little touchy.

But, you're right; I should've asumed that there would be little point in bringing up the obvious with "fans".

It was pretty much a no go item from the start, I suppose.

On the positive side, I usually agree with you on every other thread you write! Usually a good voice of reason to the people that believe everything they read, keep it up! I think the "We didn't land on the Moon" thread stands out to me off the top of my head.

I thank you Sir...

[TheClassic]

Yes. You have a point...

Your point is well taken, to a certain extent.

I do, as a musician, have a certain disdain of the genre, for many a specific reason. That of course, is not a part of the thread's topic. Nor is this discussion regarding regarding the facts I've presented, however right they may be.

However, let's go back to what I said about Tupak being alive:

Now...if that's baiting, well...someone's a little touchy.

But, you're right; I should've asumed that there would be little point in bringing up the obvious with "fans".

It was pretty much a no go item from the start, I suppose.

I thank you Sir...

No, I thank you kind sir. Keep up the good work.

I'm sorry people but Tupac is dead, as much as I wish it wasn't true. All of the facts tell us its the truth.

Elaborating on my previous post, it was mentioned that he did not have an autopsy... Completely untrue and illegal. It's just a rumor that was spread by the CT's of the Internet, who believe everything they read. He was indeed cremated AFTER the coroner checked him out AND took the much debated photograph. If I find the site I'll post it, but one site has the official coroners report with the photo. Or if you are in the Las Vegas area, you should be able to stop by city hall and check it out yourself.

The only theory I find non debunkable would be the Illuminati theory. It's my believe that there's nothing to debunk there though.

FYI, there is ANOTHER Tupac CD coming out this year. Before you hear it and speculate, the politically/socially charged lyrics were done on a Cassette in 1988. Anything that does not fit with that time frame was edited in. It's been in the works for about a year, giving them plenty of time to edit it as they please.

[MID]

No, I thank you kind sir. Keep up the good work.

Thank you much, Sir.

I'll keep trying!