Thoughts on suicide?

[F3SS]

Nerve, valiant, courage, bravery...

All words, some self appointed, used in this thread to describe the character and will of person who has attempted or committed suicide. Of course I don't agree with those descriptions which are being used in such a manner as to imply that suicide is the pinnacle act to which those words ought to be used.

[markdohle]

Nerve, valiant, courage, bravery...

All words, some self appointed, used in this thread to describe the character and will of person who has attempted or committed suicide. Of course I don't agree with those descriptions which are being used in such a manner as to imply that suicide is the pinnacle act to which those words ought to be used.

Desperation is a good word, I don't think courage applies either. Pain can wipe out all considerations....anything to escape.

Peace

mark

[some new guy]

if the choice of words is an issue, then maybe "determined" or "tried really hard" would be more appropriate

BEST - Ron

[DefenceMinisterMishkin]

I wish this thread would be locked already.

Suicide is a sensitive issue and everyone here is going to have their own opinions regarding the matter.

No one opinion is right or wrong, every case of suicide and attempted suicide is different and there are thousands of factors and variables to consider.

[F3SS]

if the choice of words is an issue, then maybe "determined" or "tried really hard" would be more appropriate

BEST - Ron

Appropriate words are tough to find but the ones I highlighted suggest commendable and are anything but appropriate.

I wish this thread would be locked already.

Suicide is a sensitive issue and everyone here is going to have their own opinions regarding the matter.

No one opinion is right or wrong, every case of suicide and attempted suicide is different and there are thousands of factors and variables to consider.

You fail to show a worthy reason to lock the thread. The trouble with matters like this is that they begin by never talking about and only festers from there on ought.

[Skep B]

The problem lies in the emotional charge of the subject. People see it in a black/white way and hold to that.

It's largely why i quit commenting, but kept following the thread. I don't agree with the want to condemn or condone the act. But I understand why people want some emotional catharsis to the subject as much as I understand people killing themselves

[docyabut2]

In my mind if people want to die from a terminal illness and from the suffering they should have the right , Jesus said to love one another and to love one another means just that.,we are kinder to the animals.

Edited September 8, 2014 by docyabut2

[White Crane Feather]

You have got to keep breathing because the sun will rise and you never know what the tide will bring in.

Edited September 8, 2014 by White Crane Feather

[toyomotor]

To have thoughts on suicide is the first step towards committing suicide.

Don't take that path, talk to someone, get help before it's too late.

[SeaGhouls]

To have thoughts on suicide is the first step towards committing suicide.

Don't take that path, talk to someone, get help before it's too late.

This, I thought everyone had suicidal thoughts and I thought it was just normal. Only until I was in the in-patient facility did I realize that, that is not normal at all. If anyone does have these thoughts I'm always open just send me a message.

[Ben Masada]

I wasn't talking about him performing, I was speaking of his ability to think and speak. He was a very intelligent and quick minded person which he was sadly going to lose to Parkinson's disease.

All the same. A man is never absolutely depleted of alternatives.

[Ben Masada]

I build a house of cards, painstakingly careful to place each layer as to be supported by the previous. It becomes a life task, a mission on which is built pride in workmanship and enduring patience. I am the creator, the designer, the master of my flimsy house and I take responsibility for protecting its integrity.

As the Master, only I who created have the right to destroy. We did not create our life, the divine spark was 'supplied' at conception by the Master and only He has the right to collapse the masterpiece.

We have all been granted with the attribute of free will. We all have the right to do whatever we please as long as we are aware of the consequences thereof as a result of the law of cause and effect.

[Ben Masada]

In my mind if people want to die from a terminal illness and from the suffering they should have the right , Jesus said to love one another and to love one another means just that.,we are kinder to the animals.

Yeah, probably Jesus said that we must love one another. How about himself, did he love any other? According to the guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew, Jesus is charged with having addressed the Jewish authorities with being hypocrites and brood of vipers. (Mat. 23:13-33) I wonder if he had liked to be addressed as such. It means he broke the Golden Rule which covers the whole second part of the Decalogue. If he did say that we should love one another, he missed making of himself a good example.

If you find the above a non-sequitur to the thread, be aware that I am just trying to get our of this too sad a thread about suicide.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Ben Masada

[alfonso]

my best mate commited suicide ten years ago aged 24 , we were like brothers in a way an like best mates do talked about anything and everything, but he told no-one what he was going through , thinking back on the last time I visited him with another friend he had stayed in the kitchen most of the time we were there just cleaning, doing dishes etc and never came in the sitting room to sit with us , we thought nothing of it, it wasn't unusal , his flat was like our 2nd home so it was as if he was just cleaning ... and that was 5 days before it happened.. we didn't speak again ... he didn't leave a note .. just went through with it ... that was that ..

its a horrible sittuation to deal with that haunts you for years for everyone it effects and everyone has there own opinion and personally mine is that it takes balls to do something like that ... its not cowardness or an easy way out ...... atleast I know hes at peace now

[Frank Merton]

When there is no note and no sign (depressive behavior is not really a sign -- unless they talk about killing themselves or the hopelessness of life) then one wonders and hopes the police do their job.

I wish the world were wealthy enough that everyone could talk to a mental health specialist at least once a month. Absent that maybe they should put anti-depressives in the drinking water (of course that is absurd, but I do know people who are not depressive but still take anti-depressives and they are happier).

There are two things I would say to a suicides survivors: First, do not judge. They were depressed, and that is a disease condition -- one should not judge them any more than one would judge someone who dies of some other deadly disease. Second, do not feel guilty -- even if the suicide note blames you. Again, it is the disease talking.

Well, at least that is what I've learned from my counselors (fortunately I have insurance that covers that stuff).

[SSilhouette]

Having a close freind kill herself right after I graduated high school I get highly offended when people call it selfish or cowardly.

She was the nicest person I have ever known and she had the most ****ed up life I have ever witnessed. She was in no way selfish or a coward.

Being close to suicide myself(at one point a long time ago) I think I know alot of the mindset. It has none thing to do with being selfish. The only people I ever see call it selfish are the people who have not experienced it. You kill yourself when you feel like everything sucks and no matter what none thing is going to get better so you have no other option. You feel it is the only escape.

And its not cowardly it takes alot to off yourself. Your body is against it, it is not easy you know everything you are leaving behind but you just cant take it anymore

Well....hmmm...

Maybe it isn't selfish so much as it is shortsided. There is no escape from one's karmic destiny. So when someone [hey, I've been there believe me] gets so down as to consider no life is better than this one, think of it like this: The suicidal person needs to see that there is hope in this life if they change some things around, even if drastic, and that in the moment they should reach out to anyone. The spirit watches all and knows when any person is at this precise point. Any person they come in contact with at that time will be a conduit for the spirit and will be of comfort to get through the rough spot. Best if it's someone not on the usual list of suspects who drain you though. Even a stranger in a parking lot will do.

Then the person needs to see that to kill themself is like being 1/2 way or 3/4 way or 7/8 way up a very steep climb to the top of the mountain, only to be starting again at the bottom with no other way out but to start climbing that same path. So maybe just a rest. Stop doing the things that are driving you crazy. Stop seeing the people that are draning you. Go camp somewhere with a family pet or someone else's pet [get creative!]. Leave the people around you temporarily. They'll freak out but they'll recover. Do anything it takes to get relief [besides killing yourself/starting at the bottom of the trail again]. Then when you have recovered some energy you can start back on that trail again. Or just leave it altogether and find a new path. We are more resilient than you think.

Suicidal people are suffering a critical energy loss threshold. The triage for this is to abruptly interrupt any drains on that person. Even if it means airlifting them away from the situations that are draining them. Intervention from friends or just anyone who sees and knows a person is having trouble. Prayers help immensely too. They re-energize the person in a way nothing else can.

Edited September 10, 2014 by SSilhouette

[lightly]

depression sounds horrible... is it some sort of fear?? It sounds like people feel overwhelmed ??

( i've felt like i was absolutely DROWNING in some work situations in the past in which i was very nearly completely overwhelmed by it and got that old It's Impossible! feeling. I didn't feel suicidal though.. just overwhelmed.. a sort of hopeless sadness along with an intense EXHAUSTION.

[Frank Merton]

I think Churchill is a good source. I will paraphrase cause I've been called to dinner and I would never put that off.

It's a black cloud that presses down on you, making everything hopeless and from which there seems to be only one escape.

[Iron_Lotus]

Im feeling that black cloud more and more each day.

[pallidin]

depression sounds horrible... is it some sort of fear?? It sounds like people feel overwhelmed ??

( i've felt like i was absolutely DROWNING in some work situations in the past in which i was very nearly completely overwhelmed by it and got that old It's Impossible! feeling. I didn't feel suicidal though.. just overwhelmed.. a sort of hopeless sadness along with an intense EXHAUSTION.

Clinical depression is not fear... in fact it is characterized by a lack of normal response to anything, be it positive excitation or a fear stimulus. Depression can be dangerous because normal response is "muted" and often associated with an extreme sense of "hopelessness"

Suicide is not uncommon among such people if left untreated by medical professionals.

Clinical anxiety, which includes "generalized anxiety disorder (GAD), PTSD and panic disorder does, however, invoke fear that is not normal. Suicidal tendency generally is not present. Aggravation, though, can be very high.

Curiously, depression itself does not often lead to clinical anxiety, per-se, but anxiety can lead to the development of depression.

Thus, those suffering from depression may only require one set of treatment options. Those suffering from acute anxiety may well need two sets of treatment options. Such as myself.

Hope this makes any sense. I'm not a doctor or psychiatrist, just an interested long-term patient.

Edited September 11, 2014 by pallidin

[pallidin]

The good news is that both depression and anxiety can often be strictly "situational", and though both may exhibit extreme symptoms it can be temporary; often when the "situation" is relieved or entirely changed. And meds/psychotherapy can be stopped.

This is the hope for most of us whom suffer.

[AMP40]

I know one thing for sure about suicide. I'll never try it again.

Edited September 11, 2014 by AMP38

[Iron_Lotus]

depression sounds horrible... is it some sort of fear?? It sounds like people feel overwhelmed ??

( i've felt like i was absolutely DROWNING in some work situations in the past in which i was very nearly completely overwhelmed by it and got that old It's Impossible! feeling. I didn't feel suicidal though.. just overwhelmed.. a sort of hopeless sadness along with an intense EXHAUSTION.

no fear, there's only nothingness sure i cry i emote like a regular person could recognize as happy sad or mad, but i don't feel it, i don't feel angry i don't feel sad i don't feel hurt or upset or anything, there's nothing, nothing but emptiness nothing but a choking suffocating slow death. Days filled with nothing but staring at walls and ceilings pondering the worst thoughts imaginable without a cringe without a second thought, and the light at the end of the tunnel is death and the darkness behind you pushes and pushes and pushes until you give up or turn your back on it and "get better". that's my drunken ramblings to your question. being overwhelmed is one thing being truly depressed is another monster. one that hits you whenever it feels like and you cant do a god damned thing about it but to submit to the abyss.

[pallidin]

Im feeling that black cloud more and more each day.

This, then, becomes the time for you to determine within yourself to seek help, and without any shame.

Your situation is very common, but often hidden by personal embarrassment. Screw that !!!! This is YOUR life.

Do NOT allow ANYTHING to stop you from getting compassionate, professional assistance.

I had no money but because of that I qualified for free help. It's truly amazing if you can get to and ask the right people.

You will, in short time, be amazed that that dark cloud will start to break, and the sunshine will pour through.

[Iron_Lotus]

This, then, becomes the time for you to determine within yourself to seek help, and without any shame.

Your situation is very common, but often hidden by personal embarrassment. Screw that !!!! This is YOUR life.

Do NOT allow ANYTHING to stop you from getting compassionate, professional assistance.

I had no money but because of that I qualified for free help. It's truly amazing if you can get to and ask the right people.

You will, in short time, be amazed that that dark cloud will start to break, and the sunshine will pour through.

i wish i could, but i cant theres only a few people that know everything i have been through and that's how it will always be. im not fond of psychiatrists and i know i would never return for a second visit hell i doubt i'd stay for the "pleasant" introductions. as for my situation being very common it doesn't mean i can be helped. nor do i think i even want it anymore.