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Ashotep

Why would any American journalist want to go over there. That question puts a big damper on the sympathy I feel for these guys. If you want to go for a night dive with your camera amongst great white sharks then expect to get eaten.

I was thinking the same thing. We also have 3 Americans begging for help because they are prisoners in North Korea. Why did they go there to begin with. You knew you were taking a big chance. Not that I don't feel sorry for them, I do. Edited by Ashotep

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Mr.United_Nations

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it is never said (that I know of)...but I presume poor Steven Sotloff and James Foley were made to wear those orange suits

because of the suits the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay wear...???

:cry:

I think they standard American Jail suits

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Mr.United_Nations

It'll be the death of America if we don't go in. It's a catch 22.

Which is why is difficult situation, America dosn't want to be the savior all the time. The only thing is to get some special force of Middle Eastern countries to take action. But they have consequences aswell

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seeder

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it is never said (that I know of)...but I presume poor Steven Sotloff and James Foley were made to wear those orange suits

because of the suits the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay wear...???

:cry:

Perhaps it could be, but many countries dress certain prisoners in high vis clothes.. so they can be easily recognised and caught if they escape. Before hi-vis it was...stripes!

stripes2.jpg

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Arkitecht

Maybe I'm thinking outside the box but its of my opinion that these Isis characters are just basically al-qaeda version 2.0 it doesn't seem as though they could possibly be funded by anybody else but us seeing as they have unlimited funds and always seem to be where we want to go it doesn't make sense that it would be anyone else except us making it look like a bunch of terrorists I mean what better way to plan it so that way you can do what you want and come off as a good guy when in fact you're really the bad guy very ingenious actually.And dont forget,they left the borders wide open and did a lot to keep everyone away from seeing who came over...Who the hell does that?!?And for what purposes? If you have to guess what for,just stop reading this...

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bee

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I just looked at some stills to see if it was the same ''''British'''' muslim who did the beheading of both men...

and it looks like it could be....

I hate it when they call him John...as in John Lennon...and refer to the cold blooded murderers as the Beatles...

That really really annoys me...

While doing this I accidently saw a photo of poor James Foley...his body lying face down and his severed head

on his back.....it was disturbing to see..... :cry::(

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I just looked at some stills to see if it was the same ''''British'''' muslim who did the beheading of both men...

and it looks like it could be....

I hate it when they call him John...as in John Lennon...and refer to the cold blooded murderers as the Beatles...

That really really annoys me...

While doing this I accidently saw a photo of poor James Foley...his body lying face down and his severed head

on his back.....it was disturbing to see..... :cry::(

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He'll be a John Doe soon..

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Earl.Of.Trumps

It'll be the death of America if we don't go in. It's a catch 22.

:-*

I take it back! You do have a purpose in here!

You can be the class klown and make us all laugh :clap:

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Earl.Of.Trumps

Why would any American journalist want to go over there. That question puts a big damper on the sympathy I feel for these guys. If you want to go for a night dive with your camera amongst great white sharks then expect to get eaten.

Exactly. Like Americans don't have the big target on our back when we get there? Good Lord!

And the thing that got me was, the journalist Pearlman that was beheaded long ago.

R.... U.... friggin' kidding me? How smart is that - send over a JEWISH American journalist.

maybe it's me. :cry:

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Lilly

I don't think it makes any difference to ISIS if one is Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, or Shiite Muslim...they're going to behead all American infidels they can get their hands on.

Edited by Lilly
corrected my error Sunni/Shiite
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Earl.Of.Trumps

not sure about that one, Lilly.

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OverSword

The reporting of people being beheaded is terrorism perpetrated against the public. The grisly details of this stupid activity by these animals is just an attempt to horrify people and make them more afraid of terrorists. They should just ignore these crimes against humanity. If it's not reported it will stop happening and they (AP) know it.

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Earl.Of.Trumps

I know oversword and I "half agree" with you.

But you know what....? hiding news can be a real nifty form of propaganda, too

Don't encourage them, OS. Don't let those bastid pols start that stuff.

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alibongo

These are some Beatles hits:

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OverSword

I know oversword and I "half agree" with you.

But you know what....? hiding news can be a real nifty form of propaganda, too

Don't encourage them, OS. Don't let those bastid pols start that stuff.

I know and I'm not saying don't report it, but I will say don't glorify it, don't force feed it to us.

How many headlines about things just as horrible or even worse by some measure, executing 300 POW's, mandatory female circumcision, mass beheadings and crucifixions of non-Americans are headlines for weeks at a time? Don't make them such a mass center of attention.

To me it seems like a tool to make people fear and beg to be protected. And you know what begging to be protected gets you? higher security in exchange for tax dollars which they are happy to spend on our behalf, pouring money into the military industrial complex which give corporations more money and governments more power and bigger budgets (they get aroused just thinking about it)

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Lilly

not sure about that one, Lilly.

ISIS has publically stated that they will behead infidels (anyone not Sunni Muslim) as they see fit.

Edited by Lilly
corrected my error (Sunni/Shiite)

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Slate

I wonder if Oabama is wishing he could take back that "JV team" line he used in January.

The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant.
I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.”

Obama made that quip way back in January. ISIL was just a couple thousand members in Iraq back then, and as late as June only about four-thousand fighters in Iraq. As soon as they declared the caliphate on June 29, and shortened the name to just IS, it's ranks quickly swelled to over thirty-thousand fighters in Iraq by August (fifty-thousand in syria). So it's a completely different situation now from what it was way back in January.

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Lilly

.... They should just ignore these crimes against humanity. If it's not reported it will stop happening and they (AP) know it.

I'm not so sure...IMO ISIS will still murder at will. Remember they desire a Sunni Islamic State where they control every aspect of life. Fear of horrific death is a great method to cow a population.

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RavenHawk

What they don't "get", likely because they are total psychos, is that their actions of beheadings and such do NOT scare the U.S. at all.

They are anything but total psychos. They are most devout, dedicated, sane, and serious. They are following the teachings of Mohammed to the letter. Dar al-Harb

It inflames us.

That’s even better. That’s what they want; us to over react. For us to be over confident, perhaps even paralyzed. They now have the initiative and they will force us to react to them instead of having them react to us. Having the initiative gives one a tactical advantage. Translated, it means that it will cost us more blood and treasure than if we hadn’t retreated. We had a commanding initiative right after the surge and we simply gave it away because of a stupid campaign pledge from someone who didn’t know anything about tactics. All that does is enable the other side. The 0300 call is here and our POTUS has checked out. Reality has slapped him in the face and his Socialist Utopia is DOA.

They are in for a serious spanking after this recent beheading, and if they do it to the Brit, they will get even more spanking.

And who’s going to administer this spanking? With the US in retreat, there is no solidifying force to unify the militaries of multiple allies. Airstrikes alone will not be enough. You need boots on the ground and Kurds and Iraqis are not enough. Overrun Muslim populations will be joining ISIS in fear of their lives. Depending on how fast they can take Baghdad, we may start seeing a reduction in mass executions, provided the people that end up under their control become willing supporters. That’s what Mohammed would do. At the right point, he would show clemency provided that the response was proper. The taking of Baghdad will be like the return of the buffalo to the hunting grounds. It will draw more to the Black Flag.

Hopefully to destruction.

To do that means it will get bloody and if they are not stopped, it will get bloody elsewhere. And this is where you will see Russia and China push the established limits that American Hegemony had set for the world. The Doomsday clocked clicked to 5 mins in 2012 and I think minutes will be ticking off in the next few years to come.

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RavenHawk

Well, they will if everyone continues to be in awe of them as a great unstoppable almost supernatural force.

And that is happening. Right now, ISIS and Putin are "happening". They are showing strength. That draws people to their side. That is what this POTUS lacks. Airstrikes and excuses do not exhibit confidence.

If everyone regarded them as the disorganised bunch of militarily inept thugs these great "terrorist armies" always are, governments might be prepared to stand up to them.

In this case, they are not. They are well organized and backed. Europe can’t stand up to Putin, how are they going to stand up to ISIS? American Exceptionalism is retreating from the world stage as led by this President.

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RavenHawk

The reporting of people being beheaded is terrorism perpetrated against the public. The grisly details of this stupid activity by these animals is just an attempt to horrify people and make them more afraid of terrorists. They should just ignore these crimes against humanity. If it's not reported it will stop happening and they (AP) know it.

The problem with that is that the MSM doesn’t air the truly grizzly images. One has to get it off the internet. The recruiting happens on the internet, not “in the news”. The terror reverberates across the World Wide Web.

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OverSword

The problem with that is that the MSM doesn't air the truly grizzly images. One has to get it off the internet. The recruiting happens on the internet, not "in the news". The terror reverberates across the World Wide Web.

No, but what they do, do is over report it. They drill a single event in to us for weeks at a time in order to raise support for more profitable military action. It's a scam. These fools go where they know people want to cut their heads off and then we get outraged when it happens? I'm done with that. I don't want that to be the headline or focus for the next month.
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NewAge1
If everyone regarded them as the disorganised bunch of militarily inept thugs these great "terrorist armies" always are, governments might be prepared to stand up to them.

They just keep winning grounds over the Bashar Al-Assad regime despite aistrikes and groundfire, ISIL just recently captured the province of Raqqa in Syria and now is about to take over the province of Dil Al Zour. As fur thugs I certainly agree, but the ''disorganised bunch of military inept'' does not seem accurate to me when you take a look at what's going on there.

Jeffrey White, a defense fellow from the Washington Institute points out:

''White said ISIL demonstrated its ability to conduct broad military operations within a “well-conceived strategy.” He said full control of Raqqa would enable ISIL to expand its control throughout northern Syria, including Aleppo.''

Source: http://www.worldtrib...t-defeat-assad/

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RavenHawk

No, but what they do, do is over report it. They drill a single event in to us for weeks at a time in order to raise support for more profitable military action. It's a scam.

And what’s really new about that? By the time it makes the headlines, most people have already made up their mind on what they are going to believe. Some do it because those that they trust have told them how to believe and then there are others who see the pattern and we are able to discern it for ourselves. What comes after is just entertainment.

These fools go where they know people want to cut their heads off and then we get outraged when it happens? I'm done with that. I don't want that to be the headline or focus for the next month.

I don’t get outraged anymore either but it will happen. So just get ready to see more of it – it will be provided. The question then is no longer if it is outrageous, but if we let it to continue. And if we want to stop it, can we or what will it take to stop it? What then becomes outrageous is willingly putting ones self into a position of weakness where you can’t stop it. Or to think that you can gut your military and deal with this threat anytime.

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Techlicious

Why did isis censor this and the James Foley video?

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