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Under reacting? That he might have been mentally ill and/or influenced by drugs is under reacting, is it? So what are the advantages of assuming that he was a fanatical Islamic jihadist nutter? Does that get us any further forward? The only way it gets us forward is just to make people live in a constant state of fear. Does that help in any way? Or does it help because it encourages us to be all "vigilant"?

If the news were showing stories around the world of people on drugs doing extremely violent and crazy things. However right now it is of terrorists beheading people.

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If the news were showing stories around the world of people on drugs doing extremely violent and crazy things. However right now it is of terrorists beheading people.

That doesn't really mean every time something bad happens we must straight away assume it's a terrorist attack does it?

Maybe it was, Maybe it wasn't but you can be pretty sure its not just terrorists who do things like this and we'd be pretty short sighted as a human race to think that way

I'm pretty sure stuff like this has happened before and will do again, Regardless of whether terrorists are involved or not.

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swift = without delay or quick

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ah!

and not the opposite of long, drawn out, protracted, agonising death then.....

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It had to be of a terrorist religious jihad like behavior , who goes around beheaded people, just like that other guy who was just walking down the street

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22630304

Then how about Tim McLean and Vincent Li?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

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It had to be of a terrorist religious jihad like behavior , who goes around beheaded people, just like that other guy who was just walking down the street

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22630304

thankyou......even if the man who beheaded the poor woman as she was weeding her garden, was drugged up and had mental problems...IF..

(it could be that he had stopped taking medication and went off the rails)

IMO there is an obvious connection with 'terrorist religious jihad like behavior'.....the timing of it...even if it was just copy cat behaviour to get attention.

...there was just a short news item about it on the radio and it's been reported in a very brief and basic-facts way..

There has been concern expressed in the past that vulnerable people can be targeted and then convert and can be used to 'do things'

Or fired up to 'do things'...

There has also been concern that prisons can be places where vulnerable men can be drawn into militant Islam......

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Still thrashing the poor old terrorist hysteria horse? You really are doing an admirable job on behalf of IS; you know that that's the whole purpose of Terrorism, isn't it, to make people live in a state of fear.

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Still thrashing the poor old terrorist hysteria horse? You really are doing an admirable job on behalf of IS™; you know that that's the whole purpose of Terrorism, isn't it, to make people live in a state of fear.

How very paternal of you, Admiral....wanting to shield us all from unpleasant truths......

I think 'people' are smart enough in general to understand what's going on...and what the dangers are

without getting hysterical about it..

Still thrashing the poor old 'ignorance is bliss' horse....?

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A 25-year-old man has been charged with the murder of 82-year-old Palmira Silva who was beheaded in north London.

Nicholas Salvador, of Gilda Avenue, Enfield, north London, is due to appear at Highbury Corner Magistrates' Court later today, Scotland Yard said.

Metropolitan Police officers said after the operation that there were no signs of a link to terrorism.

http://news.sky.com/...-beheaded-woman

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That doesn't really mean every time something bad happens we must straight away assume it's a terrorist attack does it?

Maybe it was, Maybe it wasn't but you can be pretty sure its not just terrorists who do things like this and we'd be pretty short sighted as a human race to think that way

I'm pretty sure stuff like this has happened before and will do again, Regardless of whether terrorists are involved or not.

I am saying the media has a strong influence on dictating public opinion.

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How very paternal of you, Admiral....wanting to shield us all from unpleasant truths......

I think 'people' are smart enough in general to understand what's going on...and what the dangers are

without getting hysterical about it..

Still thrashing the poor old 'ignorance is bliss' horse....?

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What are the dangers? At any moment one might be decapitated by some lunatic (Who may be a Convert to Islam)? So how are we supposed to be on our guard against that?
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I think 'people' are smart enough in general to understand what's going on...and what the dangers are

without getting hysterical about it..

They aren't. People in groups tend to panic, create mobs, lynchings, etc.

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In a city of several million people it takes but a small fraction of one percent of the population to do a riot, panic, lynching, whatever. That doesn't mean the vast majority are not rational.

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What are the dangers?

Exactly....what are the dangers.?...it is possible to talk about this being a possible terrorist related murder...

without thinking that danger is lurking around every corner...I have faith that people

are smart enough to understand this.....

At any moment one might be decapitated by some lunatic (Who may be a Convert to Islam)? So how are we supposed to be on our guard against that?

Under reaction...now over reaction...

We can't guard against the extremely, extremely miniscule chance that that might happen to us...to you...to me...

we are more likely to be run over by the proverbial bus than be beheaded by a religious fanatic....

I am losing track of what your point actually is now....is it that we shouldn't talk about the fact that the murderer was

a convert ....because this will cause people to live in fear..?....

We don't know what his motive was yet...the police are saying there are no 'signs' it was related to terrorism...

But they are probably saying this (regardless of the possibilities) to keep the lid on it.

The actual dangers at the moment are to other muslims and mosques....being targeted in revenge attacks...

The police and authorities are keen to keep the lid on civil unrest...heaven knows, we all are...but surely this

doesn't mean that we can't talk about this horrible incident like grown ups...

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They aren't. People in groups tend to panic, create mobs, lynchings, etc.

so are you advocating keeping the public in the dark about 'things' because of what a small minority might do..?

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There has been concern expressed in the past that vulnerable people can be targeted and then convert and can be used to 'do things'

Or fired up to 'do things'...

There has also been concern that prisons can be places where vulnerable men can be drawn into militant Islam......

An example of what I said above....

(no-one panic or lock themselves indoors and close the curtains - it's just information)

http://edition.cnn.c....html?hpt=hp_t1

It paints a picture of Nemmouche as an egotist and storyteller, a lost, perverse young man who sees jihad as a route to the notoriety he craves.
François Molins said Nemmouche, who has a criminal history that included a five-year prison stint, was influenced by Islamist teachings while in prison and left for Syria three weeks after being released in September 2012.

Nemmouche is a very unsavoury character who is alleged to have guarded and tortured Western captives

in Syria, maybe including James Foley...and now ...

'He awaits prosecution in the fatal shooting of four people at the Jewish Museum in Brussels in May.'

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That doesn't really mean every time something bad happens we must straight away assume it's a terrorist attack does it?

Maybe it was, Maybe it wasn't but you can be pretty sure its not just terrorists who do things like this and we'd be pretty short sighted as a human race to think that way

I'm pretty sure stuff like this has happened before and will do again, Regardless of whether terrorists are involved or not.

Is it not bad enough though that a situation exists where the connection can be made so easily and readily? Call it panic, or overreaction, but we have seen this far too many times from the one source haven't we? I do not think it would be a stretch to consider that everyone who read the headline was reminded of Lee Rigby. And the two American Journalists recently. Or Daniel Pearl, or Kim Sun-il, or Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr., or Nick Berg, or Jack Hensley, or Kenneth John Bigley, or Eugene Armstrong, or James Foley, or Steven Vincent - getting the picture? And is it not bad enough that scripture from the Koran is quoted in defence of this insane act of barbarism inspiring other radical groups who are active and or rising? In Particular, Sura (chapter) 47 contains the ayah (verse): "When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the prisoners tightly."

The "peaceful" Muslims who claim these radicals do not practise Muslim Religion attempt to intellectualise the verses such as the above and make them seem benign, but it is obvious that it will never be considered in that light by all Muslims ever. And when the leaders of the Religion advocate the beheadings, who are the "peaceful" muslims and who are not? Which leader? This one.

LINK - Prominent Cleric Justifies Islamic State Beheadings: ‘Islam Is A Religion Of Beheading’

From the imam’s mouth. It is Islamic ritual slaughter and Muhammad’s preferred method of execution.

“Islam is a religion of power, fighting, jihad, beheading and bloodshed.”

“Chopping off the heads of infidels is an act whose permissibility the [Muslim] ummah agrees on. Beheading a harbi infidel is a blessed act for which a Muslim is rewarded.”

“How many hadiths [relayed by] the Prophet’s Companions have we read in which they demanded that he strike the necks of certain men, and the Prophet did not condemn the striking of necks… Striking necks was a well-known matter that did not elicit any condemnation in the eras of the Prophet, the rightly-guided caliphs and their successors.”

Jihadi Cleric Justifies IS Beheadings: ‘Islam Is A Religion Of Beheading‘ MEMRI, August 26, 2014

In a recent article, jihadi cleric Hussein bin Mahmoud, a prominent writer on jihadi forums, expressed support for the beheading of American journalist James Foley by a member of the Islamic State (IS). Bin Mahmoud wrote that beheading was an effective way to terrorize the enemies of Islam, and stressed that, under Islamic law, Foley was a harbi, i.e. a non-Muslim whose life was not protected by an agreement of protection. He argued further that Islam allows and encourages such acts, since it is a religion of war and fighting.

The following are excerpts from the article, as posted August 21, 2014 on the Shumoukh Al-Islam forum.

But do you know what is really concerning? It is the people in charge making these inane statements. Officials calling women in short skirts "uncovered meat" stating that women who dress scantily deserve rape, and that women should not by bananas, Zucchini and cucumber to help them resists sexual urges - no joke. If the leaders are the ones saying the dumbest things about there, and the most positive aspect is students trying to rationalise the vicious verses as some personal intellectual goal, whilst the radicals use it to murder wantonly, just what hope is there for this religion to ever do any good for anyone ever?

I think that alone says something we need to be listening to? That terrorists are thought of to begin with. Some might call that panic, but some might be simply more aware of that which is going on around them.

I have to say, I cannot for the life of me understand why and person in their right mind would convert to this practice. We should be celebrating the 21st century, not embracing the values of the 11th.

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Then how about Tim McLean and Vincent Li?

http://en.wikipedia....g_of_Tim_McLean

So different, and yet....................

In an interview with a schizophrenia society, Vince Weiguang Li said he had heard what he believed was "the voice of God" before killing Tim McLean, 22.

LINK

Like yelling Allans Snackbar a bit. In any case, the directive seems to have come from the same place, that all loving benevolent God we keep hearing about. Terrorist or insane? I'd say that's a fine line myself.

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Exactly....what are the dangers.?...it is possible to talk about this being a possible terrorist related murder...

without thinking that danger is lurking around every corner...I have faith that people

are smart enough to understand this.....

Under reaction...now over reaction...

We can't guard against the extremely, extremely miniscule chance that that might happen to us...to you...to me...

we are more likely to be run over by the proverbial bus than be beheaded by a religious fanatic....

I am losing track of what your point actually is now....is it that we shouldn't talk about the fact that the murderer was

a convert ....because this will cause people to live in fear..?....

One of the main present dangers that are becoming apparent seems to be radicalisation of Youth. That is happening a great deal more than anyone hears about.

We had a show a while back here on that subject, and one of these radicalised youths attended (as did the father of another youth who did not attend) This young man alone, Abu Bakr, would send chills down your spine with what he has come to believe. He was even represented by a lawyer during the talk show. Who advised him to leave and they stormed out during another question to another guest.

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And why did the Jihadist who beheaded the Journalists have a British accent? Nothing to be concerned about I suppose? And was it one executioner or two?

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One of the main present dangers that are becoming apparent seems to be radicalisation of Youth. That is happening a great deal more than anyone hears about.

I agree...

We had a show a while back here on that subject, and one of these radicalised youths attended (as did the father of another youth who did not attend) This young man alone, Abu Bakr, would send chills down your spine with what he has come to believe. He was even represented by a lawyer during the talk show. Who advised him to leave and they stormed out during another question to another guest.

Yes they are radicalised youths.....and before that they were radicalised children....and before that radicalised babies..

I actually think that we should recognise and name what is happening..

it is child abuse...

That young man you put a picture off is damaged goods ..

People don't get over being abused as children, it becomes part of who they are...

And abusers have tendencies to abuse others....

If we have any sense...one day we will outlaw 'religious' child abuse in our countries...

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...we still don't know the motive of the killer of Palmira Silva...he has been described as a convert...

Maybe a high percentage of converts have mental problems and this is what draws them in

and makes them vulnerable to a religion that enslaves, indoctrinates and abuses...?

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And abusers have tendencies to abuse others....

that should have been...'and the abused have tendencies to abuse others..'

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that should have been...'and the abused have tendencies to abuse others..'

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Id prefer may have tendencies. As I have never abused anybody... well myself maybe but never someone else

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But why is it now people linking it to terrorism? The guy is clearly unstable. This is another incident of many that a crazy is running around with a machete.

few years ago there was confrtation with a guy and the police and the guy totally lost it, and he was white. But before killing the woman he was reported attacking animals, cats and dogs.

10-30 years ago this would not be rumored to be terrorism, but after 9/11 it is.

My view is that drugs are connected as the guy was acting crazy

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