Extreme case of brown recluse spiders

[Sakari]

http://detroit.cbslo...er-in-michigan/

(This link refutes what second link states about age of victims.)

http://www.emedicine.../article_em.htm

http://www.kirotv.co..._2014_partners1

(This story posted yesterday.)

www.americanownews.com/story/20680220/recluse-spiders

Search, and ye will find, (more).

I lived in Temecula Ca, and a man died there from a BR bite in about 1996....I had read it in the newspaper then, but can't find the link now.

Just because one DR. says so doesn't mean it's correct, or the end of the story.

Your first link, they never saw a spider, and have no idea what caused it. She died from an infection. Same as your other link.

You , and others, are confusing dying from infections from bug bites, with the rumors of the " brown recluse "......

From one of your other links...

• In recent years controversy has arisen over the appearance of brown recluse spiders in California and Florida. At this time most experts agree that the brown recluse is not endemic to these areas. With increasing travel, individual spiders and spider bites can be found in areas where the spider is not endemic, and health care practitioners should consider this when treating suspected bites.
  
• Fewer than 10 individual spiders have ever been collected outside of these native states. Most false sightings are due to confusion with one of the 13 other species found in the same family.
  
• The most common non-brown recluse spiders are the desert recluse found in Texas, Arizona, and California, and the Arizona recluse. No deaths have ever been reported from non-brown recluse spiders. Bites from these cousins produce mild to moderate local skin disease.
  

Did you read the entire article I posted and gave link for?

I used to believe the same as you, from urban legends, and listening to gossip.

Edited October 15, 2014 by Sakari

[scorpiosonic]

I guess the 51 yr old woman and the Montana boy are just figments of my imagination.

[Sakari]

I guess the 51 yr old woman and the Montana boy are just figments of my imagination.

I think my replies are.

Without copying and pasting both of your stories.

The woman, had a bug bite. They even thought it may just have been a fly at first.

They have no idea if it were a spider, fly, ant, etc.

She died from the infection. As I pointed out about 90% of these false " brown recluse " bites.

Unless the spider that bit the person is captured and brought in, and a expert identifies it, they can not say what kind of " bite " it was.

Again, she died from the infection, not from the venom, or bite. ( from whatever it was ).

For the little boy, from your link.....

The coroner is investigating, but a forensic examination completed Monday determined the boy died from a severe infection caused by the bite.

The boy's mother, Mandy Pierce, talked with KZBK-TV and said they took Keith to the hospital after his leg started to swell Sept. 30. After ruling out cancer, Keith was sent home.

Again, no idea it even was a bite....Then they blame the brown recluse.

It was the infection from a bite, not from venom.

And, even if it was a bite....hell, they thought it was cancer at first.

You are falling for the legends, and twists on stories.

Just read my links, and verify them yourself.

Brown recluse are not in Nevada, and Brown Recluse do not, and have not killed people.

Black Widows are a lot more dangerous then the recluse, by far. And, you do have those there.....I raised 4 of them in my garage in Reno, fed them. They are also not the monsters people make them out to be.

Infections from bug bites have......Many kinds of bugs.

[scorpiosonic]

Your first map states, "most common areas' NOT that they live exclusively in these areas. As one link mentions, the spiders could've been imported unknowingly.

You asked for links, and I posted them, but you are cherry-picking facts. (Like you said, "Just read my links, and verify them yourself.")The boy died from an infection he contracted from the BR bite.....still fatal, and still caused by the spider's bite.

Biting flies/ants don't kill ppl, venomous spiders do. (A very large number of ant bites can be fatal....but we are talking one bite here.)

Edited October 16, 2014 by scorpiosonic

[Sakari]

Your first map states, "most common areas' NOT that they live exclusively in these areas. As one link mentions, the spiders could've been imported unknowingly.

You asked for links, and I posted them, but you are cherry-picking facts. (Like you said, "Just read my links, and verify them yourself.")The boy died from an infection he contracted from the BR bite.....still fatal, and still caused by the spider's bite.

Biting flies/ants don't kill ppl, venomous spiders do. (A very large number of ant bites can be fatal....but we are talking one bite here.)

wow.....

Are you seriously not reading any of this?

They have - ( zero ) proof or evidence that a brown recluse bit any of them....None at all.....And what ever bit/stung/scratched them, did not kill them with venom. They died from infections, because they did not go to the doctor in time.....Infections kill people every day.

Venomous spiders do not.

And the map ( and many others ) are showing where they live.

They DO NOT live in Nevada, Arizona, California, etc.

Lets make this easy, give me reputable links showing evidence brown recluse spiders live in those areas.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Sakari

[scorpiosonic]

Of course, all of YOUR links are reputable.

Venomous spiders do kill ppl.

[Sakari]

Of course, all of YOUR links are reputable.

I would say so, not to mention, each one can be backed up with 5 more.

Not arguing, as I said, I used to think the same thing.

Just trying to help you out, and ask you to back up your claim.

From Orkin ( the biggest pesticide company in the USA )

Geographically, brown recluse spiders are endemic to the American South and Midwest. Although brown recluse bites are claimed in states outside of these regions, these bites, as well as those from within the recluse’s range, are most commonly a result of other medically related causes such as bacterial infections of the skin.

Presently, the known range of the brown recluse spider (Loxosceles reclusa) extends from Nebraska to Ohio and across the south from Texas to Florida. It is native to the United States, unlike other pest spiders such as the brown widow or yellow sac spider. Concentrations of recluses are greatest in the central part of their range where hundreds or even thousands may be found in a single structure.

Due to its penchant for hiding in dark areas such as boxes, transportation of recluses can happen. Indeed, there are recorded instances of single buildings outside their recluse range where recluses were accidently brought in through relocated items.

The most obvious public concern with recluses is their bite and venom. Even though they have necrotic venom which has the ability to cause skin lesions, most bites heal without any damage. Nevertheless, spider bite victims should seek medical attention immediately if they have medical concerns. If at all possible, the offending specimen should be brought to the physician for proper identification. Most cases turn out to be the result of other sources such as bacterial infections or allergic reactions. There are no verified cases of death attributed to brown recluses.

http://www.orkin.com...e-spider-range/

There are thousands more to verify what I all ready have proven.

.......Please, research before posting false claims that scare people.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Sakari

[Sakari]

Edited October 16, 2014 by Sakari

[pallidin]

Dang I hate spiders.

I don't know enough about them to tell if the are dangerous or benign.

So, I just kill them. Sorry, Mr./Miss. Spider, I just can't trust you around me or my grandson.

Edited October 16, 2014 by pallidin

[MidnightLady]

I was bit by a Brown Reclusive a few years back. Spent 3 nights in the hospital. They didn't know what was wrong with me. They sent in a specialist. He said it was a tic bite. I said, it's getting bigger and eating away my flesh. It's a brown bite. No, we don't have them in Jersey. I said, I was bit by one in NY in the 70's. It almost killed me. What you think they haven't mastered train travel? No, it's a tic. Hey, you the specialist I live in the middle of nowhere on several acres. Some of them are so big their community has a zip code. Tics, there isn't a tic that hasn't taken a bite our of me. Nothing happened. I now have a major circular scar that the police can use to ID me if my body if found in a ditch. Maybe I should thank the big bad brown.

Edited October 16, 2014 by MidnightLady

[MidnightLady]

Are they dating or just good friends?

[Sakari]

I was bit by a Brown Reclusive a few years back. Spent 3 nights in the hospital. They didn't know what was wrong with me. They sent in a specialist. He said it was a tic bite. I said, it's getting bigger and eating away my flesh. It's a brown bite. No, we don't have them in Jersey. I said, I was bit by one in NY in the 70's. It almost killed me. What you think they haven't mastered train travel? No, it's a tic. Hey, you the specialist I live in the middle of nowhere on several acres. Some of them are so big their community has a zip code. Tics, there isn't a tic that hasn't taken a bite our of me. Nothing happened. I now have a major circular scar that the police can use to ID me if my body if found in a ditch. Maybe I should thank the big bad brown.

You saw this brown recluse spider bite you, and you kept the spider and had it identified?

As I have been posting, many people claim or think they have been bitten by one, when they have not. They had a bacterial infection.

Their bite does not do what you are saying.

So, again, did you see the spider bite you, and did you keep the spider to get it 100% identified?

[MidnightLady]

You saw this brown recluse spider bite you, and you kept the spider and had it identified?

As I have been posting, many people claim or think they have been bitten by one, when they have not. They had a bacterial infection.

Their bite does not do what you are saying.

So, again, did you see the spider bite you, and did you keep the spider to get it 100% identified?

No I will admit that I did not. And the first time this happened I had no idea what was going on. I was babysitting in NYC the first time and something bit me. At first I didn't think anything of it, but oddly enough something made me get up and take a very hot bath. That was totally out of the norm. The following morning when I got out of bed I fell on the floor. I didn't understand that until I realized that I had no feeling in my left leg at all. I was young and stupid and thought it had just fallen asleep. Since I had 2 young children to care for for the next 2 weeks I had to be responsible so I just kept pounding my let with my fist until I could walk again. Then things got worse. I could walk and forgot about that issue but I was so sick. I was sweating buckets but freezing. I would send the children to school and go to bed. I thought it was the flu. The little girl called her grandmother and said I was sick. Personally in my 20's I wasn't going to complain about a cold or flu, so I was embarrassed.

The parents were in Japan for 2 weeks so I knew I had do deal with this. After I arrived home and old boyfriend who is a superior outdoors man stopped over. By then I was fine but I had discovered a strange banded circle on the back of my leg. It was in a bulls-eye pattern and oddly colored. I showed it to him and she said sweets you have been bitten by a spider. Okay fine. A few weeks later I was at a friends house that has a fireplace. I happen to mention this to her. She said that sounds like a brown reclusive bite. In winter around here they like to get into the wood pile. Wonderful! A few years later my aunt was reading an article about that type of spider and she said, according to this they are in this area and it looks like that is what might have gotten you. Okay, I could be wrong. I didn't see it. But I have had cancer and a 5 hour surgery that was just awful. But I was never as sick as I was that day back in the 70's. Call it what you will but if I had not been healthy, done something strange like walk away from watching "Fun With Dick and Jane" and squeezed out clear liquid from something that felt like a hot needle had just pricked my skin and sat in a very hot tub, well I have to wonder. What did get me?

[Still Waters]

I would imagine some people would have a strong allergic reaction to a spider bite, the same way some people are allergic to bee stings. This type of allergy can be fatal. As far as I can make out it's children who are more vulnerable to brown recluse spider bites, for example -

describes the unfortunate death of a 3-year-old child resulting from a brown recluse spider bite. In this case report, the child died from severe hemolysis (destruction of red blood cells) and bleeding, which is a rare complication of brown recluse spider bite.

http://www.healthlin...use-spider-bite

the spider bites you, you may feel a sharp sting or nothing at all. Pain usually develops within the first several hours after being bitten, and may become severe. Children may have more serious reactions

Deaths from brown recluse spider bites are more common in children.

http://www.nlm.nih.g...icle/002859.htm

[Sakari]

No I will admit that I did not. And the first time this happened I had no idea what was going on. I was babysitting in NYC the first time and something bit me. At first I didn't think anything of it, but oddly enough something made me get up and take a very hot bath. That was totally out of the norm. The following morning when I got out of bed I fell on the floor. I didn't understand that until I realized that I had no feeling in my left leg at all. I was young and stupid and thought it had just fallen asleep. Since I had 2 young children to care for for the next 2 weeks I had to be responsible so I just kept pounding my let with my fist until I could walk again. Then things got worse. I could walk and forgot about that issue but I was so sick. I was sweating buckets but freezing. I would send the children to school and go to bed. I thought it was the flu. The little girl called her grandmother and said I was sick. Personally in my 20's I wasn't going to complain about a cold or flu, so I was embarrassed.

The parents were in Japan for 2 weeks so I knew I had do deal with this. After I arrived home and old boyfriend who is a superior outdoors man stopped over. By then I was fine but I had discovered a strange banded circle on the back of my leg. It was in a bulls-eye pattern and oddly colored. I showed it to him and she said sweets you have been bitten by a spider. Okay fine. A few weeks later I was at a friends house that has a fireplace. I happen to mention this to her. She said that sounds like a brown reclusive bite. In winter around here they like to get into the wood pile. Wonderful! A few years later my aunt was reading an article about that type of spider and she said, according to this they are in this area and it looks like that is what might have gotten you. Okay, I could be wrong. I didn't see it. But I have had cancer and a 5 hour surgery that was just awful. But I was never as sick as I was that day back in the 70's. Call it what you will but if I had not been healthy, done something strange like walk away from watching "Fun With Dick and Jane" and squeezed out clear liquid from something that felt like a hot needle had just pricked my skin and sat in a very hot tub, well I have to wonder. What did get me?

I think it is safe to say it was not a brown recluse.

You fell into the " I heard " fiasco......

Either way, what you went through must have sucked, sorry about that.

[Sakari]

I would imagine some people would have a strong allergic reaction to a spider bite, the same way some people are allergic to bee stings. This type of allergy can be fatal. As far as I can make out it's children who are more vulnerable to brown recluse spider bites, for example -

http://www.healthlin...use-spider-bite

http://www.nlm.nih.g...icle/002859.htm

I am still going with this, as I have found no verified deaths from a Brown Recluse Bite.

The brown recluse spider (Loxosceles reclusa) is rumored to be the one of the most poisonous house spiders in the United States. However, although the bite of a brown recluse in rare instances can prove damaging to tissue, a fatality from a brown recluse bite has never been verified. Most brown recluse spider bites do not result in any lasting medical consequences.

The severity of a person’s reaction to a brown recluse spider bite depends upon the amount of venom injected and the location of the bite. Most are relatively unaffected by the bite of the brown recluse and heal quickly, without scarring, while few may experience tissue damage.

Bites are usually not immediately painful and may go unnoticed for several hours, at which point symptoms appear. Typical cases involving brown recluse spiders result in redness and swelling at the bite site. In more severe cases, injected venom kills tissue cells at the bite site, causing necrosis. Intense pain may also set in, accompanied by itching, fever, chills, restlessness, nausea, vomiting and shock.

No verified cases of fatalities to brown recluse spider bites are documented. Scientific literature cites many other likely sources of supposed brown recluse bites, such as bacterial infections. If a bite is suspected or if there are any medical concerns, consult a medical professional.

http://www.orkin.com/other/spiders/brown-recluse-spider-deadly/

[MidnightLady]

Upon closer assessment I suppose I am totally wrong about what happened. I can not argue the point as I have, like UFO's no evidence. But for the most part. I am seldom sick. Tics and flees usually do not affect me and poison ivy, oak and the like have never been a problem. I have been bitten by just about everything, with no major issues. But that doctor a few years ago didn't know what nailed me and it was way out of control. I guess I will just chalk it up to odd.

[Roberth Smith]

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His beard is uglier than mine!

[Princess Serenity]

I hate spiders so much. This would be my worst nightmare. I found one spider on my door on the driver side. Took a leaf and relocated it and later I saw a spider on my windshield and I tried to kill it the first time but "pushed it away." The second time I managed to kill it with my windshield wipers. Why do spiders do this to me? Is this Mother Nature making fun of me?

Edited October 17, 2014 by Princess Serenity

[Still Waters]

I don't like spiders but I won't kill them. I hate it when I find one in the house, that poor family!

I'd been shopping for my mum one day and was putting it away for her. I opened her freezer door and there was this squashed spider inside stuck to the door near the top. I've never seen that before and it was horrible, the spider was flattened and would have got frozen when the door got closed. Not a nice way for it to go! Anyway I didn't want to touch it so my husband scraped it off the door and cleaned it up for me. I didn't say anything to my mum either, she's elderly and obviously didn't see the spider when she closed her freezer door. We were trying to figure out afterwards how it got in there in the first place. My mum has a fridge/freezer with 2 doors, fridge on top, the spider must have been crawling along the top of the freezer door when she opened it and she didn't see it.

[Sakari]

With thousands of spiders in their home, makes me wonder.

Spiders need a food source......

What could possibly keep thousands of spiders healthy, inside a house?

Gross!!!!

[Sakari]

Cool experiment/article

Educational...

http://www.angelfire.com/film/darkroomduck/HTML_PAGES/brown_recluse.html

[Calibeliever]

No no no no no no no no no

[paperdyer]

My least favorite spider... And that's saying a lot...

You have a favorite one?

[ancient astronaut]

I had to clean myself after reading this for the first time the other day, and there it goes again, need to change again. HOLY ****!!