Gromdor Posted November 17, 2014 #51 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm not saying it really happened, but I do find it odd that a Russian plane did mock bombing runs on an American ship for 90 minutes. Usually a "Quit it!" radio message followed by a missle lock will make them fly away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted November 17, 2014 #52 Share Posted November 17, 2014 but I do find it odd that a Russian plane did mock bombing runs on an American ship for 90 minutes. Usually a "Quit it!" radio message followed by a missle lock will make them fly away. where does 90min timeframe come from??? it is not even in the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 17, 2014 #53 Share Posted November 17, 2014 An Aegis-class destroyer presumably would have emergency communication capability in the event of a hard-level EMP attack. Not only that, but if CENTCOM lost contact due to an EMP disruption, or any disruption, a number of U.S./NATO fighter jets, as well as Marine Stallion heliocopters from the nearest carrier or land station would be immediately deployed, fully armed, to investigate and defend if necessary. So, I call this story BUNK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 17, 2014 #54 Share Posted November 17, 2014 If ANY part of this is true, I view it as merely either: 1) An "intimidation" fly-by 2) A "site-location" reconnaissance mission 3) Electronic intelligence gathering(radar lock dynamics, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 17, 2014 #55 Share Posted November 17, 2014 He had a wingman standing off at altitude, probably recording the event. Provoking a US warship to fire on an unarmed russian plane would have given putin and his neo communist clique pretext for further incursions, and would have looked good in the media. Putin is contemptuous of Obama, perceiving him as a nonmilitary pacifist, too timorous to respond to his provocations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo1 Posted November 17, 2014 #56 Share Posted November 17, 2014 It's time to bring back the old cold war military technology I think, much more robust . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SolarPlexus Posted November 18, 2014 Author #57 Share Posted November 18, 2014 putin and his neo communist clique Neo-communist clique? really that's poetic I like it vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted November 18, 2014 #58 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Putin is contemptuous of Obama, perceiving him as a nonmilitary pacifist, too timorous to respond to his provocations. That's certainly true, and well-deserved of our incompetent CnC. If we had strong leadership here in the US, that coward Putin and his thugs wouldn't dare do what they're doing now. He knows he can get away with it. Well, at least until 2016 when we'll, hopefully, get some strong leadership again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted November 18, 2014 #59 Share Posted November 18, 2014 according to the story. all of the destroyers electronics were jammed, not destroyed by an emp. jamming only requires you broadcast on the same frequency as the one to be jammed. in effect both parties are jammed. so no emp, just electronic broadcasting, and it doesn't have to be that loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sam Posted November 18, 2014 #60 Share Posted November 18, 2014 You do know, that is an act of war what Russia just did. They are practically getting more bolder by the day, they won't stop until we return fire with stark warning, do it again and it would be war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 18, 2014 #61 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) according to the story. all of the destroyers electronics were jammed, not destroyed by an emp. jamming only requires you broadcast on the same frequency as the one to be jammed. in effect both parties are jammed. so no emp, just electronic broadcasting, and it doesn't have to be that loud. With all due respect, where did you get that info? From that bunk story? EM jamming is VERY sophisticated, rarely relying on a single frequency to disable radar components, much less an entire ships electronics. Wide-spectrum, extremely high-powered frequency transmission is often used, and is legally considered an "attack" Edited November 18, 2014 by pallidin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted November 18, 2014 #62 Share Posted November 18, 2014 You do know, that is an act of war what Russia just did. They are practically getting more bolder by the day, they won't stop until we return fire with stark warning, do it again and it would be war. I agree that an act like this might be just cause, but the fact that the intruding aircraft weren't destroyed shows to me that the story isn't real or taken out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted November 18, 2014 #63 Share Posted November 18, 2014 We've seen this kind of stuff dozens of times around here - take a legit story and then RT, Voltaire, Above Top Secret, etc. "spice" it up a bit with the angle of "look how the US sucks" or "look what Obama did". In this case, both fit the agenda of the various "alternative" media outlets reporting this "story". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted November 18, 2014 #64 Share Posted November 18, 2014 We've seen this kind of stuff dozens of times around here - take a legit story and then RT, Voltaire, Above Top Secret, etc. "spice" it up a bit with the angle of "look how the US sucks" or "look what Obama did". In this case, both fit the agenda of the various "alternative" media outlets reporting this "story". Yes, this does reek of that. It's hardly worth a mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted November 18, 2014 #65 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) With all due respect, where did you get that info? From that bunk story? EM jamming is VERY sophisticated, rarely relying on a single frequency to disable radar components, much less an entire ships electronics. Wide-spectrum, extremely high-powered frequency transmission is often used, and is legally considered an "attack" which is why i said both sides would be jammed. which may be why the jet hads an escort. the second plane staying out side the jamming range. i got it from this; from the op. As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. it says ;later after the jet left the ship went back into service. i do doubt that the ship was disabled as in it couldn't sail. unless the control from the wheel to ruder is now wifi. Edited November 18, 2014 by danielost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted November 18, 2014 #66 Share Posted November 18, 2014 with obama as president, the jet could of sunk the destroyer and we would still not go to war. he may have even praised the action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 18, 2014 #67 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) which is why i said both sides would be jammed. which may be why the jet hads an escort. the second plane staying out side the jamming range. i got it from this; from the op. As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. it says ;later after the jet left the ship went back into service. i do doubt that the ship was disabled as in it couldn't sail. unless the control from the wheel to ruder is now wifi. As I suggested before, CENTCOM would have immediately deployed necessary interdiction and recovery assets upon loss-of-contact with the powerful, expensive Aegis-class destroyer. Recall that CENTCOM maintains constant auto-communications. If this is broken, CENTCOM seriously responds. Thus, I highly doubt the story as stated is true. Edited November 18, 2014 by pallidin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted November 18, 2014 #68 Share Posted November 18, 2014 As I suggested before, CENTCOM would have immediately deployed necessary interdiction and recovery assets. assuming anyone was close enough. i agree. but unless those assets were on ready alert it would take a while for them to get even at twice the speed of vsound. the helos can't fly that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted November 18, 2014 #69 Share Posted November 18, 2014 where does 90min timeframe come from??? it is not even in the article It's in this CBS article I linked earlier: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-jet-makes-provocative-and-unprofessional-pass-at-uss-donald-cook/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted November 18, 2014 #70 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) assuming anyone was close enough. i agree. but unless those assets were on ready alert it would take a while for them to get even at twice the speed of vsound. the helos can't fly that fast. They are. It's a rotational READY status. Rotational pilots are ready to "rock-and-roll" and off the tarmac or carrier within 3-minutes. The interdiction fighter jets are also rotated in an "Emergency Deployment" status. Engines-on by specialized emergency crew before the pilot even enters the cockpit. Not sure of the number of fighter jets for emergency at a specific location, I think only 2 or 3 in rotation, fully armed. Edited November 18, 2014 by pallidin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted November 18, 2014 #71 Share Posted November 18, 2014 As I suggested before, CENTCOM would have immediately deployed necessary interdiction and recovery assets upon loss-of-contact with the powerful, expensive Aegis-class destroyer. Recall that CENTCOM maintains constant auto-communications. If this is broken, CENTCOM seriously responds. Thus, I highly doubt the story as stated is true. Such an action would have been very hard to hide from the world press as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted November 18, 2014 #72 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Perphaps but what we *do* know, is that 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service after the incident Guess it doesn't feel too good to float dead in the water while getting wrecked ... Think those sailors want to spend their lives differently now And it seems that what we DO know is that the US media did not cover this, at least that I'm aware of. Thank you Gromdor, I am now aware that CBS covered it. That's a good sign. Edited November 18, 2014 by Babe Ruth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babe Ruth Posted November 18, 2014 #73 Share Posted November 18, 2014 90 minutes is a hell of a long time. Plenty of time to call in for air support to chase off if they felt under serious threat. I would also imagine they would have called for help if left disabled. Like the USS Liberty in 1967? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted November 18, 2014 #74 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Like the USS Liberty in 1967? You do love to drop your almost 50 year old references as proof of things happening in 2014, don't you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted November 18, 2014 #75 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) And it seems that what we DO know is that the US media did not cover this, at least that I'm aware of. Thank you Gromdor, I am now aware that CBS covered it. That's a good sign. There was plenty of coverage after the flyover in April. Just Google it. It was even covered in the Washington Post. What's interesting is the part about the jamming only starts appearing in September and seems to be relegated to the usual whack sources. That should tell you something. Edited November 18, 2014 by Rafterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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