The Bold Charlie Hebdo Covers

[TheDarkerSide]

I find porno magazines offensive to me. I don't buy them. Problem solved.

[F3SS]

Speaking of that, didn't Larry Flynt promise a hearty f-u after these attacks?

[+joc]

I find porno magazines offensive to me. I don't buy them. Problem solved.

They still make those?

I can just see the cover of a Larry Flynn Hustler magazine....

It's okay to be a Gay Pedophile because Jesus forgives you...

[Likely Guy]

They still make those?

I can just see the cover of a Larry Flynn Hustler magazine....

It's okay to be a Gay Pedophile because Jesus forgives you...

Too soon.

[F3SS]

Ha yep. I would figure something along those lines or worse. I swore he had said something about responding hustler style. Can't find anything on it though.

[seeder]

BBC version

Defiant Charlie Hebdo depicts Prophet Muhammad on cover

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30790409

[F3SS]

BBC version

If the BBC version is to say a thousand words paints a picture. Is Glenn Beck the only one showing the cover?

I'm sure he's not but the BBC needs to stand out from CNN and Al-Jazeera.

[+joc]

If the BBC version is to say a thousand words paints a picture. Is Glenn Beck the only one showing the cover?

I'm sure he's not but the BBC needs to stand out from CNN and Al-Jazeera.

They hide their Fear behind their Political Correctness

[Drayno]

They hide their Fear behind their Political Correctness

Truly, the disease of Cultural Marxism.

[Space Commander Travis]

I've avoided most of the talk of the martyrdom of Charlie, but I did read today something that I thought was a fair point; these heroic Charlie Hebdo cartoons, they're very very similar to the caricatures of Jews that were so popular in "satirical" papers and even the mainstream Press all over Europe right up until WWII. If a paper was to print that now, would that be seen as racist? Would it be Political Correctness to condemn such a thing? But now Charlie have been martyred, it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery. If a far right paper printed a cartoon that might have come straight out of Der Sturmer, and they were attacked by Zionist extremists, would everyone be going "Ich bin Der Sturmer" and loyally repeating their cartoons to show solidarity?

[Drayno]

I've avoided most of the talk of the martyrdom of Charlie, but I did read today something that I thought was a fair point; these heroic Charlie Hebdo cartoons, they're very very similar to the caricatures of Jews that were so popular in "satirical" papers and even the mainstream Press all over Europe right up until WWII. If a paper was to print that now, would that be seen as racist? Would it be Political Correctness to condemn such a thing? But now Charlie have been martyred, it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery. If a far right paper printed a cartoon that might have come straight out of Der Sturmer, and they were attacked by Zionist extremists, would everyone be going "Ich bin Der Sturmer" and loyally repeating their cartoons to show solidarity?

"I may disagree with what you say, but to the death I will defend your right to say it!"

Edited January 13, 2015 by Drayno

[Space Commander Travis]

"I may disagree with what you say, but to the death I will defend your right to say it!"

Who was that much-quoted quote from, just out of interest? Edited January 13, 2015 by Valdemar the Great

[Drayno]

Who was that much-quoted quote from, just out of interest?

It's a quote from Evelyn Beatrice Hall, who was summarizing the French satirist Voltaire's attitude in her 1906 biography of Voltaire, 'The Friends of Voltaire'.

This quote has been misattributed to Volaire since it was published in a "Quotable Quote" in Reader's Digest (June 1934), credited to Voltaire.

The saying itself still reflects the Enlightenment mentality of French thinkers similar to Voltaire, like Baron de Montesquieu and Rousseau (the former being before Voltaire's rise, the latter who was a contemporary of Voltaire), who believed all people were obligated to recognize the natural rights of others, and that all people had the liberty to pursue self-expression, and that governments do not give these rights to people; these rights exist by virtue of human nature. Thus governments simply identify and recognize these rights as such, and do not attempt to limit them. Voltaire, who wrote the great satire Candide, was also known to have been an active champion of liberty, including freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.

His works and ideas, along with other French writers Montesquieu and Rousseau, along with English political scientist / philosopher John Locke heavily influenced the Founding Fathers of the American Republic; Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, Patrick Henry, John Adams, etc.

Edited January 13, 2015 by Drayno

[Space Commander Travis]

It's a quote from Evelyn Beatrice Hall, who was summarizing the French satirist Voltaire's attitude in her 1906 biography of Voltaire, 'The Friends of Voltaire'.

This quote has been misattributed to Volaire since it was published in a "Quotable Quote" in Reader's Digest (June 1934), credited to Voltaire.

The saying itself still reflects the Enlightenment mentality of French thinkers similar to Voltaire, like Baron de Montesquieu and Rousseau (the former being before Voltaire's rise, the latter who was a contemporary of Voltaire), who believed all people were obligated to recognize the natural rights of others, and that all people had the liberty to pursue self-expression, and that governments do not give these rights to people; these rights exist by virtue of human nature. Thus governments simply identify and recognize these rights as such, and do not attempt to limit them. Voltaire, who wrote the great satire Candide, was also known to have been an active champion of liberty, including freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.

His works and ideas, along with other French writers Montesquieu and Rousseau, along with English political scientist / philosopher John Locke heavily influenced the Founding Fathers of the American Republic; Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, Patrick Henry, John Adams, etc.

It's one of those all purpose quotes that people pull out at every opportunity. Funny how people never refer to some of voltaire's other quotes, such as about the Jews, I wonder if they'd be so keen to defend his freedom of speech to say that?

[Drayno]

It's one of those all purpose quotes that people pull out at every opportunity. Funny how people never refer to some of voltaire's other quotes, such as about the Jews, I wonder if they'd be so keen to defend his freedom of speech to say that?

It depends on perspective, so I would agree as much to say: Who knows!

[SHaYap]

Wisdom has been reduced to click magnets generating sound bites ~

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[+joc]

I've avoided most of the talk of the martyrdom of Charlie, but I did read today something that I thought was a fair point; these heroic Charlie Hebdo cartoons, they're very very similar to the caricatures of Jews that were so popular in "satirical" papers and even the mainstream Press all over Europe right up until WWII. If a paper was to print that now, would that be seen as racist? Would it be Political Correctness to condemn such a thing? But now Charlie have been martyred, it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery. If a far right paper printed a cartoon that might have come straight out of Der Sturmer, and they were attacked by Zionist extremists, would everyone be going "Ich bin Der Sturmer" and loyally repeating their cartoons to show solidarity?

Gosh, I never thought about that. So...let me 'think' about it...

In the first place the Jews were not persecuting the Germans or anyone else. I don't recall the Jews waging a war against those who did not agree with them. I don't recall the Jews strapping bombs onto children and sending them off into the market places to blow up and kill innocent people. Islam is not a race of people. Islam is a Religion as is Christianity.

Now that I've thought about it...the whole thought process seems to be very foggy...much like a medical marijuana induced foggy thought...

[Grey Area]

I've avoided most of the talk of the martyrdom of Charlie, but I did read today something that I thought was a fair point; these heroic Charlie Hebdo cartoons, they're very very similar to the caricatures of Jews that were so popular in "satirical" papers and even the mainstream Press all over Europe right up until WWII. If a paper was to print that now, would that be seen as racist? Would it be Political Correctness to condemn such a thing? But now Charlie have been martyred, it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery. If a far right paper printed a cartoon that might have come straight out of Der Sturmer, and they were attacked by Zionist extremists, would everyone be going "Ich bin Der Sturmer" and loyally repeating their cartoons to show solidarity?

When I first saw your post earlier in this thread I thought you may be trolling, however I do take your point. Frankly I have never looked at the publication and it's cartoons and would suggest that until last week the vast majority of people living in a 'free' society had never even heard of Charlie. This whole affair kind of reminds me of the Life of Brian controversy back in the 70's/80s.

it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery.

Thats a rather inflamitory statement right there and you are wrong. It is the duty of everyone who believes in free speech to be appalled when people are killed practicing it. As we have seen, these acts have been universally condemned, by Christians, Muslims, Jews and so on. This is not about religion, it is about nasty, stupid or brainwashed individuals using religion as an excuse to satisfy their own or someone elses personal agenda.

It is not right that these people have been killed, regardless of whether their pictures have offended anyone or not, it is not right that people have died who had nothing to do with the whole thing.

Again I see your point about the similarities to pre war Satirical pictures aimed at the jews. I do not see that to be particularly relevant, given that this is a totally different age, and I do not see how poking fun at a religion could really be racist, indeed the person suggesting that only one specific race practices Islam would be more guilty of any prejudice than anyone else.

[questionmark]

I've avoided most of the talk of the martyrdom of Charlie, but I did read today something that I thought was a fair point; these heroic Charlie Hebdo cartoons, they're very very similar to the caricatures of Jews that were so popular in "satirical" papers and even the mainstream Press all over Europe right up until WWII. If a paper was to print that now, would that be seen as racist? Would it be Political Correctness to condemn such a thing? But now Charlie have been martyred, it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery. If a far right paper printed a cartoon that might have come straight out of Der Sturmer, and they were attacked by Zionist extremists, would everyone be going "Ich bin Der Sturmer" and loyally repeating their cartoons to show solidarity?

All caricatures are very very similar to graffiti found from the Roman Empire... with many even the punchline is equal. So no, it would not following Der Stuermer.

[F3SS]

The new cover I posted got snipped but you can see it here...

http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/12/mahomet-en-une-du-charlie-hebdo-de-mercredi_1179193

[questionmark]

The new cover I posted got snipped but you can see it here...

http://www.liberatio...ercredi_1179193

That is the best one I have seen so far.

[Dark_Grey]

I've avoided most of the talk of the martyrdom of Charlie, but I did read today something that I thought was a fair point; these heroic Charlie Hebdo cartoons, they're very very similar to the caricatures of Jews that were so popular in "satirical" papers and even the mainstream Press all over Europe right up until WWII. If a paper was to print that now, would that be seen as racist? Would it be Political Correctness to condemn such a thing? But now Charlie have been martyred, it's the duty of everyone who believes in Free Speech to gasp in adulation at their bravery. If a far right paper printed a cartoon that might have come straight out of Der Sturmer, and they were attacked by Zionist extremists, would everyone be going "Ich bin Der Sturmer" and loyally repeating their cartoons to show solidarity?

I think you're losing sight of the bigger picture here; if you feel inclined to murder people over something so trivial, that is on YOU and YOUR religion.

All of the example groups you've brought up so far are fair points, but it's not comparing apples to apples as no other religion allows extremism to flourish like Islam.

What we are seeing unfold around the world is the dying breaths of an outdated way of thinking...more growing pains as humanity continues to slowly shed religion like a snake sheds old skin.

[Careful_perspective]

I agree with those above who stated it is not fair to compare this what was occurring pre WW2 to Jews.

Additionally, I read this interesting article last night about how in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo controversy a lot of American and British newspapers are not really showing the comics and discussing their actual content. And by avoiding these contentious subjects we have subjected ourselves to a somewhat journalistic sharia law.

[F3SS]

I agree with those above who stated it is not fair to compare this what was occurring pre WW2 to Jews.

Additionally, I read this interesting article last night about how in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo controversy a lot of American and British newspapers are not really showing the comics and discussing their actual content. And by avoiding these contentious subjects we have subjected ourselves to a somewhat journalistic sharia law.

I understand that it's not within their platform to make a habit of circulating this type of material but I feel like they all should do it as a 'just this once' kind of thing to say the hell with Islamic suppression of expression. Those jerks hiding in their caves over there are having a victory party. They aren't seeing these outlets as being sensitive. They are seeing them as being afraid and cowering to the desires of Sharia. And they're probably right.

[TheDarkerSide]

I agree with those above who stated it is not fair to compare this what was occurring pre WW2 to Jews.

Additionally, I read this interesting article last night about how in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo controversy a lot of American and British newspapers are not really showing the comics and discussing their actual content. And by avoiding these contentious subjects we have subjected ourselves to a somewhat journalistic sharia law.

Yes I agree with you. It is looking to me that they are afraid to show the cartoons. I could be inclined to think that maybe our governments have advised them against it, which would be absolutely despicable if they have.