Creationism: If it's supernatural it's not science

[Me_Again]

"Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things

I am in no way trying to be judgemental. Forgive me if that is how you understood my reply.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

fact

n 1: a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; "first you must collect all the facts of the case" 2: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; "he supported his argument with an impressive array of facts" 3: an event known to have happened or something known to have existed; "your fears have no basis in fact"; "how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell" 4: a concept whose truth can be proved; "scientific hypotheses are not facts"

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So in my understanding, a fact is something that can be proved. Are theories facts? I have alot of theories about experiences that have occured in my life, but if I told them to you, would you consider them to be factual? So we know that evolution occurs, it is change. Creation occurs, it is change. One fact I know for sure is that change happens, you would agree that change is a fact?

What is the problem with stating that theories are just that - theories and not facts? I am experiencing changes in my thinking, I must be evolving - into what I couldn't tell you now. Ask me, in about 400 years

[Loge]

This whimsical theory of Darwin related to the origin of the Species with all its amendments and its random sequence of alterations is just the outcome of skepticism.

Indeed, the appearance of new species (as a result of Evolution) is merely a pseudo-scientific belief on an ill-bred hypothesis that has never been verified.

Nobody has ever witnessed the appearance of a new species by means a non specific prototype produced by an act or an instance randomly selected without the presence of an intelligence design within an unknown yet significant evolving phenomenon in nature.

Because of the much too limited field of intellectual vision of these times, when “CREATING” the theory of evolution, Darwin and his followers’ thought forgot that any specific type of energy within any evolving organic or inorganic system moves from such a system into another by means of a devolving natural process call entropy.

The great postulation of Einstein is ignored. Einstein said: “Mass transforms itself into energy.” All the wise men of the world bent themselves in reverence before this tremendous truth. The great Mathematician also said: "Energy transforms itself into mass.” Nobody could reject this postulation either.

There is no doubt that the most famous scientific equation of all time, first derived by Einstein is the relationship E = mc2. "Energy equals mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light.”

These wise postulations demonstrate that the mass of all of the universes is eternal and immutable. Matter disappears here in order to reappear there as in a type of flux and reflux, activity and repose, day and night.

Entropy exists as a counter transference of the energy in evolution which is a complexity or order development of the energy in matter, whereas devolution or entropy is the simple releasing of energy through a disorderly unassembled decay of matter. If we observe order in any evolving system of the universe, we must also realize that such an order after reaching its utmost momentum starts to devolve to its natural original chaos.

Due to the lack of understanding of these two mechanical yet intelligent processes of nature and the cosmos, pompous theories are elaborated upon an ill-bred conception of evolution; all of them are very beautiful but all have an undeniable insufficient number of “Facts”. Obviously, within these theories, none of the processes are certainly and entirely known as we already prove it; these theories only observe part of the evolving process and set aside the obvious devolving process of any system. Erudites do not see that the evolving processes together with the devolving processes revolve in the natural spiral of life and death.

So far, in this day and age, the human mind is already so degenerated that it has become incapable of even comprehending the inverse degenerative process on a greater scale.

Present Erudites’ minds are so trapped, (bottled up within Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution) that their minds only know how to think or function according to their own bottled up condition; and what is even more academically frightening is that they attribute unto the other phenomena (that is entropy, devolution, destruction, decadence and degeneration) the qualification of Evolution, Development and Progress.

Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution is turning into a very dangerous cult, where the mind worships a demigod disguised with the name of evolution!

Edited December 3, 2004 by Loge

[Loge]

This whimsical theory of Darwin related to the origin of the Species with all its amendments and its random sequence of alterations is just the outcome of skepticism.

Indeed, the appearance of new species (as a result of Evolution) is merely a pseudo-scientific belief on an ill-bred hypothesis that has never been verified.

Nobody has ever witnessed the appearance of a new species by means a non specific prototype produced by an act or an instance randomly selected without the presence of an intelligence design within an unknown yet significant evolving phenomenon in nature.

Because of the much too limited field of intellectual vision of these times, when “CREATING” the theory of evolution, Darwin and his followers’ thought forgot that any specific type of energy within any evolving organic or inorganic system moves from such a system into another by means of a devolving natural process call entropy.

The great postulation of Einstein is ignored. Einstein said: “Mass transforms itself into energy.” All the wise men of the world bent themselves in reverence before this tremendous truth. The great Mathematician also said: "Energy transforms itself into mass.” Nobody could reject this postulation either.

There is no doubt that the most famous scientific equation of all time, first derived by Einstein is the relationship E = mc2. "Energy equals mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light.”

These wise postulations demonstrate that the mass of all of the universes is eternal and immutable. Matter disappears here in order to reappear there as in a type of flux and reflux, activity and repose, day and night.

Entropy exists as a counter transference of the energy in evolution which is a complexity or order development of the energy in matter, whereas devolution or entropy is the simple releasing of energy through a disorderly unassembled decay of matter. If we observe order in any evolving system of the universe, we must also realize that such an order after reaching its utmost momentum starts to devolve to its natural original chaos.

Due to the lack of understanding of these two mechanical yet intelligent processes of nature and the cosmos, pompous theories are elaborated upon an ill-bred conception of evolution; all of them are very beautiful but all have an undeniable insufficient number of “Facts”. Obviously, within these theories, none of the processes are certainly and entirely known as we already prove it; these theories only observe part of the evolving process and set aside the obvious devolving process of any system. Erudites do not see that the evolving processes together with the devolving processes revolve in the natural spiral of life and death.

So far, in this day and age, the human mind is already so degenerated that it has become incapable of even comprehending the inverse degenerative process on a greater scale.

Present Erudites’ minds are so trapped, (bottled up within Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution) that their minds only know how to think or function according to their own bottled up condition; and what is even more academically frightening is that they attribute unto the other phenomena (that is entropy, devolution, destruction, decadence and degeneration) the qualification of Evolution, Development and Progress.

Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution is turning into a very dangerous cult, where the mind worships a demigod disguised with the name of evolution!

Edited December 3, 2004 by Loge

[Stellar]

"For heaven's sake" that is a creationist expression, you should not use it.

You should say: For hell's sake.

That suits you more.

Oh, yes... we're all going to hell cuz we dont believe in creationism... that seems likely.

[Asterix]

Loge, from one forum member to another...

Can you PLEASE, pretty PLEASE, try to explain your ideas and opinions to us (unwashed heathens) in a short, laconic and to-the-point way?

You have been asked some very simple and straight questions about your opinions, and instead of answering you're just listing a long and irrelevant list of quotes.

[Loge]

This whimsical theory of Darwin related to the origin of the Species with all its amendments and its random sequence of alterations is just the outcome of skepticism.

Indeed, the appearance of new species (as a result of Evolution) is merely a pseudo-scientific belief on an ill-bred hypothesis that has never been verified.

Nobody has ever witnessed the appearance of a new species by means a non specific prototype produced by an act or an instance randomly selected without the presence of an intelligence design within an unknown yet significant evolving phenomenon in nature.

Because of the much too limited field of intellectual vision of these times, when “CREATING” the theory of evolution, Darwin and his followers’ thought forgot that any specific type of energy within any evolving organic or inorganic system moves from such a system into another by means of a devolving natural process call entropy.

The great postulation of Einstein is ignored. Einstein said: “Mass transforms itself into energy.” All the wise men of the world bent themselves in reverence before this tremendous truth. The great Mathematician also said: "Energy transforms itself into mass.” Nobody could reject this postulation either.

There is no doubt that the most famous scientific equation of all time, first derived by Einstein is the relationship E = mc2. "Energy equals mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light.”

These wise postulations demonstrate that the mass of all of the universes is eternal and immutable. Matter disappears here in order to reappear there as in a type of flux and reflux, activity and repose, day and night.

Entropy exists as a counter transference of the energy in evolution which is a complexity or order development of the energy in matter, whereas devolution or entropy is the simple releasing of energy through a disorderly unassembled decay of matter. If we observe order in any evolving system of the universe, we must also realize that such an order after reaching its utmost momentum starts to devolve to its natural original chaos.

Due to the lack of understanding of these two mechanical yet intelligent processes of nature and the cosmos, pompous theories are elaborated upon an ill-bred conception of evolution; all of them are very beautiful but all have an undeniable insufficient number of “Facts”. Obviously, within these theories, none of the processes are certainly and entirely known as we already prove it; these theories only observe part of the evolving process and set aside the obvious devolving process of any system. Erudites do not see that the evolving processes together with the devolving processes revolve in the natural spiral of life and death.

So far, in this day and age, the human mind is already so degenerated that it has become incapable of even comprehending the inverse degenerative process on a greater scale.

Present Erudites’ minds are so trapped, (bottled up within Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution) that their minds only know how to think or function according to their own bottled up condition; and what is even more academically frightening is that they attribute unto the other phenomena (that is entropy, devolution, destruction, decadence and degeneration) the qualification of Evolution, Development and Progress.

Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution is turning into a very dangerous cult, where the mind worships a demigod disguised with the name of evolution!

Edited December 3, 2004 by Loge

[Stellar]

Loge, from one forum member to another...

Can you PLEASE, pretty PLEASE, try to explain your ideas and opinions to us (unwashed heathens) in a short, laconic and to-the-point way?

You have been asked some very simple and straight questions about your opinions, and instead of answering you're just listing a long and irrelevant list of quotes.

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Another one bite the dust!

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What a very intelligent and thought out reply!

[Loge]

This whimsical theory of Darwin related to the origin of the Species with all its amendments and its random sequence of alterations is just the outcome of skepticism.

Indeed, the appearance of new species (as a result of Evolution) is merely a pseudo-scientific belief on an ill-bred hypothesis that has never been verified.

Nobody has ever witnessed the appearance of a new species by means a non specific prototype produced by an act or an instance randomly selected without the presence of an intelligence design within an unknown yet significant evolving phenomenon in nature.

Because of the much too limited field of intellectual vision of these times, when “CREATING” the theory of evolution, Darwin and his followers’ thought forgot that any specific type of energy within any evolving organic or inorganic system moves from such a system into another by means of a devolving natural process call entropy.

The great postulation of Einstein is ignored. Einstein said: “Mass transforms itself into energy.” All the wise men of the world bent themselves in reverence before this tremendous truth. The great Mathematician also said: "Energy transforms itself into mass.” Nobody could reject this postulation either.

There is no doubt that the most famous scientific equation of all time, first derived by Einstein is the relationship E = mc2. "Energy equals mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light.”

These wise postulations demonstrate that the mass of all of the universes is eternal and immutable. Matter disappears here in order to reappear there as in a type of flux and reflux, activity and repose, day and night.

Entropy exists as a counter transference of the energy in evolution which is a complexity or order development of the energy in matter, whereas devolution or entropy is the simple releasing of energy through a disorderly unassembled decay of matter. If we observe order in any evolving system of the universe, we must also realize that such an order after reaching its utmost momentum starts to devolve to its natural original chaos.

Due to the lack of understanding of these two mechanical yet intelligent processes of nature and the cosmos, pompous theories are elaborated upon an ill-bred conception of evolution; all of them are very beautiful but all have an undeniable insufficient number of “Facts”. Obviously, within these theories, none of the processes are certainly and entirely known as we already prove it; these theories only observe part of the evolving process and set aside the obvious devolving process of any system. Erudites do not see that the evolving processes together with the devolving processes revolve in the natural spiral of life and death.

So far, in this day and age, the human mind is already so degenerated that it has become incapable of even comprehending the inverse degenerative process on a greater scale.

Present Erudites’ minds are so trapped, (bottled up within Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution) that their minds only know how to think or function according to their own bottled up condition; and what is even more academically frightening is that they attribute unto the other phenomena (that is entropy, devolution, destruction, decadence and degeneration) the qualification of Evolution, Development and Progress.

Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution is turning into a very dangerous cult, where the mind worships a demigod disguised with the name of evolution!

Edited December 3, 2004 by Loge

[Shadowsleet]

Conclusion: Loge can't explain himself, and is simply wasting his own time and ours (especially ours ), with his endless stream of quotes that have absolutely nothing to do with this subject whatsoever.

Hiding behind a complicated mass of thesaurus fueled jargon, he seems to be trying to scare us into just letting his rubbish fly, regardless of whether or not he's capable of defending it...as he's clearly not capable of doing so, let's just have a little laugh at his expence, and move back to the topic.

[aquatus1]

"For heaven's sake" that is a creationist expression, you should not use it.

You should say: For hell's sake.

That suits you more. thumbsup.gif

Naughty Loge! You presume that heaven belongs only to creationists? Heaven is for anyone who choses to follow the Judeo-Christian God. And doing anything for heavens sake is the perogative of anyone at all, regardless of wether they believe or not.

Seriously, Loge, how many times has this happened already? The very first post I made to you pointed out how you absolutely refused to answer any critique posed to you in any way other than by insulting the poster and by continuing the cut and paste prostelyzing.

Is this truly all you have? Do you completely lack the ability to defend your arguments? I'm sure your posts must sound very wise to you, but four people in this thread alone have asked you to explain yourself, and all you have done is insult each one turn, now even falling back on the almost childish retorts that almost make me expect a "nanny nanny boo boo" from you next.

What movie was that, with the idiot assassin who kept mixing up all the different cultures and philosophies in his attempts to sound intellectual, until his girlfriend finally calls him an ape?

"Apes don't read philosophy."

"Yes, they do! They just don't understand it!"

I'm done with this thread. I'm done with Loge too, until such time as he decides to do some thinking on his own and hold himself to the same standards the rest of us mortals do.

[Loge]

This whimsical theory of Darwin related to the origin of the Species with all its amendments and its random sequence of alterations is just the outcome of skepticism.

Indeed, the appearance of new species (as a result of Evolution) is merely a pseudo-scientific belief on an ill-bred hypothesis that has never been verified.

Nobody has ever witnessed the appearance of a new species by means a non specific prototype produced by an act or an instance randomly selected without the presence of an intelligence design within an unknown yet significant evolving phenomenon in nature.

Because of the much too limited field of intellectual vision of these times, when “CREATING” the theory of evolution, Darwin and his followers’ thought forgot that any specific type of energy within any evolving organic or inorganic system moves from such a system into another by means of a devolving natural process call entropy.

The great postulation of Einstein is ignored. Einstein said: “Mass transforms itself into energy.” All the wise men of the world bent themselves in reverence before this tremendous truth. The great Mathematician also said: "Energy transforms itself into mass.” Nobody could reject this postulation either.

There is no doubt that the most famous scientific equation of all time, first derived by Einstein is the relationship E = mc2. "Energy equals mass multiplied by the square of the velocity of light.”

These wise postulations demonstrate that the mass of all of the universes is eternal and immutable. Matter disappears here in order to reappear there as in a type of flux and reflux, activity and repose, day and night.

Entropy exists as a counter transference of the energy in evolution which is a complexity or order development of the energy in matter, whereas devolution or entropy is the simple releasing of energy through a disorderly unassembled decay of matter. If we observe order in any evolving system of the universe, we must also realize that such an order after reaching its utmost momentum starts to devolve to its natural original chaos.

Due to the lack of understanding of these two mechanical yet intelligent processes of nature and the cosmos, pompous theories are elaborated upon an ill-bred conception of evolution; all of them are very beautiful but all have an undeniable insufficient number of “Facts”. Obviously, within these theories, none of the processes are certainly and entirely known as we already prove it; these theories only observe part of the evolving process and set aside the obvious devolving process of any system. Erudites do not see that the evolving processes together with the devolving processes revolve in the natural spiral of life and death.

So far, in this day and age, the human mind is already so degenerated that it has become incapable of even comprehending the inverse degenerative process on a greater scale.

Present Erudites’ minds are so trapped, (bottled up within Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution) that their minds only know how to think or function according to their own bottled up condition; and what is even more academically frightening is that they attribute unto the other phenomena (that is entropy, devolution, destruction, decadence and degeneration) the qualification of Evolution, Development and Progress.

Darwin’s Dogma of Evolution is turning into a very dangerous cult, where the mind worships a demigod disguised with the name of evolution!

[Loge]

Meaning of Natural Selection according with Darwinism-evolutionist’s reasoning:

“The act or an instance of selecting or the fact of having been selected by a not intelligent cause present in such selection that eventually produce in nature a non specific prototype, principle, or archetype for an unknown yet significant evolving phenomenon.”

If you are not a religious person, then you need to develop a lot of blind faith in order to believe in such nonsense!

Edited December 3, 2004 by Loge

[Stellar]

Loge, what is with you? Now you're repeating yourself... word for word...

[Loge]

Loge, what is with you? Now you're repeating yourself... word for word...

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It is my intention with contumacy to show that Darwin’s theory of evolution is a repetitive impudent nonsense from time to time.

As Apsethus the Libyan, Darwin’s followers have attempted to set up his theory for a God and thus corrupting forever the values of the Spirit.

“Apsethus the Libyan inordinately longed to become a god; but when, after repeated intrigues, he altogether failed to accomplish his desire, he nevertheless wished to appear to have become a god; and he did at all events appear, as time wore on, to have in reality become a god.

“For the foolish Libyans were accustomed to sacrifice unto him as to some divine power, supposing that they were yielding credence to a voice that came down from above, from heaven. For, collecting into one and the same cage a great number of birds,--parrots,--he shut them up.

“Now there are very many parrots throughout Libya, and very distinctly these imitate the human voice. This man, having for a time nourished the birds, was in the habit of teaching them to say, "Apsethus is a god."

“After, however, the birds had practiced this for a long period, and were accustomed to the utterance of that which he thought, when said, would make it supposed that Apsethus was a god, then, opening the habitation (of the birds), he let forth the parrots, each in a different direction.

“While the birds, however, were on the wing, their sound went out into all Libya, and the expressions of these reached as far as the Hellenic country. And thus the Libyans, being astonished at the voice of the birds, and not perceiving the knavery perpetrated by Apsethus, held Apsethus to be a god.

“Some one, however, of the Greeks, by accurate examination, perceiving the trick of the supposed god, by means of those same parrots not only refutes, but also utterly destroys, that boastful and tiresome fellow.

“Now the Greek, by confining many of the parrots, taught them anew to say, "Apsethus, having caged us, compelled us to say, Apsethus is a god."

“But having heard of the recantation of the parrots, the Libyans, coming together, all unanimously decided on burning Apsethus.”

Concerning Darwin’s theory of evolution, evolutionists have done likewise; they want us to substitute Darwin’s theory of evolution for the Eternal-Cosmic-Common-Abstract-Absolute-Creator.

Evolutionists are the new the parrots who repeat and repeat that to believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution is more congruent that to believe in God.

Thus, perceiving the evolutionist’s trick, by means of contumacy, I as a parrot not only refute, but moreover make people to think about that boastful and senseless hypothesis.

[Stellar]

It is my intention with contumacy to show that Darwin’s theory of evolution is a repetitive impudent nonsense from time to time.

We really arent that bothered by your posts to actually believe you over our own reasoning and science...

[Loge]

We really arent that bothered by your posts to actually believe you over our own reasoning and science...

"With over 3 million hits per month, Unexplained Mysteries hosts one of the largest and fastest growing paranormal communities on the Internet, with more than 10,000 members. "

We???????????

You, aquatus1, Shadowsleet and Asterix are only four people among 10,000 members.

[Stellar]

We really arent that bothered by your posts to actually believe you over our own reasoning and science...

"With over 3 million hits per month, Unexplained Mysteries hosts one of the largest and fastest growing paranormal communities on the Internet, with more than 10,000 members. "

We???????????

You, aquatus1, Shadowsleet and Asterix are only four people among 10,000 members.

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How many of those 10 000 are visiting and posting in this thread?

[Loge]

How many of those 10 000 are visiting and posting in this thread?

Visiting? I do not know, even though some of them write PMs to me!

Posting? we all know!

[Loge]

What do the Materialists, the Protists who now belong to the kingdom Protoctista, a new classification in their most modern taxonomic systems, say?

What do they so arrogantly affirm?

What do they suppose about the origin of life and of the human psyche?

Let us remember with complete meridian clarity Haeckel’s famous Atomic Monera that was within an aqueous abyss, a complex atom that could not, in any way, haphazardly emerge (as this good gentleman supposed).

Haeckel (an ignorant in depth) was worshipped by the British people. He induced great damage onto the world with his famous theories.

As a parody to Job, all we can say about him is the following: let the memory of the day be forgotten from humanity wherein he was born, neither let his name be uttered in the streets.

Do you believe perhaps that such an atom from that aqueous abyss, the Atomic Monera could haphazardly emerge?

If the intelligence of scientists is necessary in order to construct an atomic bomb, then how much more talent would be required in order to construct an atom?

Therefore, if we deny the intelligent principles of nature, then the mechanism of it would cease to exist since the existence of nature’s mechanism is not possible without machinists.

If someone considers the existence of any machine without its inventor possible, I would like him to demonstrate it, I would like him to place the chemicals elements upon the table of the laboratory in order for a radio or an automobile or simply an organic cell to emerge by chance.

[CatAstrofix]

"With over 3 million hits per month, Unexplained Mysteries hosts one of the largest and fastest growing paranormal communities on the Internet, with more than 10,000 members. "

We???????????

You, aquatus1, Shadowsleet and Asterix are only four people among 10,000 members.

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Do add me to that list!

It's by the way very considerent to send the same post so many times. Like that, there's actually only one I don't have to read

[Loge]

"With over 3 million hits per month, Unexplained Mysteries hosts one of the largest and fastest growing paranormal communities on the Internet, with more than 10,000 members. "

We???????????

You, aquatus1, Shadowsleet, Asterix and CatAstrofix

are only five people among 10,000 members.

It's by the way very considerent to send the same post so many times. Like that, there's actually only one I don't have to read. 

Thank you, but I do not think that it is necessary to mention it again!

[Loge]

The inexhaustible container within which the Eternal-Universal-Cosmic-Common-Abstract-Absolute-Creator deposited all of its divine possibilities has the shape of an spiral galaxy!

[Stellar]

are only five people among 10,000 members.

It'd be more accurate to not count the 10 000 and count the ones only participating in the thread... Go ahead now.

[_hAiLO_]

We have 12432 members and 97% never come back...strange huh?

besides, why are you talking about this in a creationism thread...

either way, i don't think either is proven.

[Loge]

We have 12432 members and 97% never come back...strange huh?

besides, why are you talking about this in a creationism thread...

either way, i don't think either is proven.

Because I comprehend that creation cannot exists without a creator and I also comprehend that evolution cannot exists without intelligence!

Creation is an evolving process and destruction is a devolving process!

However, creation can exist without mechanical evolution, but evolution cannot exist without creation!

Both, Evolution and Creation can be discovered within our own internal and external anatomy without the necessity of believing in absurd theories or dogmas.

I do not deny Evolution because it exists in my organic constitution and I do not deny Creation because it exists and throbs in my sexual energy!

Nevertheless, I do not grant unto evolution the nonsensical theories of whimsical minds; likewise, I do not grant unto Creation the nonsensical dogmas of fanatical minds.