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NewAge1
In regards to cruz, what are you hoping i man up for? Icant vote in your elections, but i will say enjoy another four years of a democratic president if he is the best they can offer. Even with hillarys blemishes she still stands a better chance because people have short memories

Why should any moderate person advocate for a dominionist fanatic as the next President of the United States is beyond me. :huh:

, Tea Party potentate Ted Cruz is blessed by pastors who
the Constitution is based on the Old Testament, appear to endorse biblical slavery,
gay marriage as a socialist plot against the traditional family, and call for a Christian war on secular society.

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"We understand that our rights come not from a king or queen, not from government, but from the Lord God almighty. But if America is going to continue to stand strong, we must first be on our knees." -- Senator Ted Cruz, National Day of Prayer statement, May 1, 2013"

Source: http://www.talk2acti...Antigay_Pastors

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RoofGardener

You are free to start topics on all of those if you feel like it to find out

It was intended as a rhetorical question, Degen, as I think you know full well :D

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Why should any moderate person advocate for a dominionist fanatic as the next President of the United States is beyond me. :huh:

, Tea Party potentate Ted Cruz is blessed by pastors who
the Constitution is based on the Old Testament, appear to endorse biblical slavery,
gay marriage as a socialist plot against the traditional family, and call for a Christian war on secular society.

[...]

"We understand that our rights come not from a king or queen, not from government, but from the Lord God almighty. But if America is going to continue to stand strong, we must first be on our knees." -- Senator Ted Cruz, National Day of Prayer statement, May 1, 2013"

Source: http://www.talk2acti...Antigay_Pastors

"We understand that our rights come not from a king or queen, not from government, but from the Lord God almighty. But if America is going to continue to stand strong, we must first be on our knees." -- Senator Ted Cruz, National Day of Prayer statement, May 1, 2013"

Hmmm...lemme see here....thinking, thinking....ah yes...a man of faith, a man of conservative values, says...at The National Day of Prayer...that our rights come from God, not from Government or a king or a queen...hmmmm....lemme think...thinking, thinking...sounds familiar...thinking...ah yes...

The Declaration of Independence signed on July 4, 1776 which says: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

See Samus, that is what is wrong with America...we have these guys like Ted Cruz, valedictorian of high school senior class, who graduated Cum Laude from Princeton, who graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard, who argued 9 cases before the Justices of the Supreme Court, winning 5 of those cases, Conservative, Christian....who go around spouting off all of this God stuff during National Prayer Day and they come off like some kind of Constitutional Scholar....

Totally Clueless...he doesn't even deserve to be Senator much less President...How DARE this neanderthal to mention God at a Prayer Breakfast on National Prayer Day.

See Samus...that's part of the problem right? And you know who is to blame? His father! How? Because he was a drunk and he left his wife and 3 year old son...abandoned them...just left...but then he met someone who changed his life forever by introducing him to Jesus Christ. His father became a born again Christian...not much better than a hopeless drunk right?....reunited with his family and became a strong man of faith and left the bottle in the sewer where he met Jesus.

It's these Conservative guys like Cruz that want a Fair Flat Tax, who want to Abolish the IRS, Abolish CommonCore, who can make a decisive in your face comment like Iran will NOT get a nuclear weapon....who make statements like that...those are the kind of guys....who...

wait a minute...there aren't those kind of guys...there is only that kind of guy...Ted Cruz..who...will bring America back to the course of Liberty and Freedom! He is the next President of the United States Samus and you know why? Cause YOU are in the minority and people who actually think, and live their lives in a conservative way...those are the majority in the United States of America.

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See Samus, that is what is wrong with America...we have these guys like Ted Cruz, valedictorian of high school senior class, who graduated Cum Laude from Princeton, who graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard, who argued 9 cases before the Justices of the Supreme Court, winning 5 of those cases, Conservative, Christian....who go around spouting off all of this God stuff during National Prayer Day and they come off like some kind of Constitutional Scholar....

Totally Clueless...he doesn't even deserve to be Senator much less President...How DARE this neanderthal to mention God at a Prayer Breakfast on National Prayer Day.

The way I see it Ted Cruz wants to turn the United States into a religious state. He's a fanatic and a right wing extremist. He's an irrational individual who is a denier of climate change, an anti-gay, anti-abortion&contraception and anti-muslim. Basically he wants to bring your country back prior to the 1900's.

''Cruz has been an outspoken critic of those in the GOP who he says want to “abandon” the “Judeo-Christian values” on which the country was founded. At Liberty, those values include prohibitions on out-of-wedlock sex and entertainment that might “incite behaviors that are contrary to the Bible and/or the Liberty Way” such as “promiscuity” or “gratuitous crass language/behavior.”''

Source: http://thinkprogress...peful-ted-cruz/

wait a minute...there aren't those kind of guys...there is only that kind of guy...Ted Cruz..who...will bring America back to the course of Liberty and Freedom! He is the next President of the United States Samus and you know why? Cause YOU are in the minority and people who actually think, and live their lives in a conservative way...those are the majority in the United States of America.

Let's face it, your Tea Party favorite has very little chance of winning the nomitation. Even if the GOP does shot itself in the foot (so much for gun control..), I don't think a majority of Americans should wish to have a preacher of ultra-conservative values as President. That would be a gift for the Democrats.

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J. Bush will be the last man standing for the Reps. This is good so. Cruz has no chance.

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J. Bush will be the last man standing for the Reps. This is good so. Cruz has no chance.

If it is a Bush vs Hillary race then America will have her first woman in the oval office - not on her knees that is...

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If it is a Bush vs Hillary race then America will have her first woman in the oval office - not on her knees that is...

No and no and no.

No more Bush. Hell no to any Clinton. But if it comes down to it, I'd rather have another Bush than a Clinton. Hillary is the worst possible choice at this time for the United States. She'll finish what Obama started. I don't think Jeb would actually do much to fix the damage caused over the last 6 years.

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No more Bush. Hell no to any Clinton. But if it comes down to it, I'd rather have another Bush than a Clinton. Hillary is the worst possible choice at this time for the United States. She'll finish what Obama started. I don't think Jeb would actually do much to fix the damage caused over the last 6 years.

If he can perpetuate the Bush tradition of invading countries, I am sure that would help.. :tu:

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Thorvir

If he can perpetuate the Bush tradition of invading countries, I am sure that would help.. :tu:

Well let's hope we don't have another horrific attack on US soil that kills thousands then.

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Well let's hope we don't have another horrific attack on US soil that kills thousands then.

Or imaginary stockpiles of WMDs in the hands of a dictator.

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RoofGardener

Thats a pretty jejune response, Samus.

The 911 attacks - and the deaths - where very real.

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Thorvir

Or imaginary stockpiles of WMDs in the hands of a dictator.

You realize that those "imaginary" stockpiles were proven several times over the years already, right? But that's probably something else you willfully ignore.

Oh, and as RoofGardener pointed out...the 9/11 attacks were real and justification enough to deal out some violent comeuppance.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing with your types at this point. Reason and common sense isn't on your side. I think I might start using the ignore button again just to keep the lies, ignorance and general noise level to a minimum...

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You realize that those "imaginary" stockpiles were proven several times over the years already, right? But that's probably something else you willfully ignore.

Oh, and as RoofGardener pointed out...the 9/11 attacks were real and justification enough to deal out some violent comeuppance.

I'm not sure why I'm arguing with your types at this point. Reason and common sense isn't on your side. I think I might start using the ignore button again just to keep the lies, ignorance and general noise level to a minimum...

I thought I read that ISIS dug up some armories that had Chemical weapons and Nerve Agents in Iraq and were using them against the Syrians. That would be proof that there was chemical weapons still there, even if the production programs had stopped.

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Thats a pretty jejune response, Samus.

The 911 attacks - and the deaths - where very real.

Yet the talibans are still very much in Afghanistan despite the invasion, and Al-Qaida has been eclipsed by an even more extreme and barabaric group funded by our allies in the region. So much for our succesful interventionist policies. BTW, the Iraq War of 2003 was not justified on the terrorist attack of 9/11.

You realize that those "imaginary" stockpiles were proven several times over the years already, right? But that's probably something else you willfully ignore.

It never cease to amaze me that warmongers can't make the difference between very old and virtually inoperable chemical weapons (which is the only thing that the US military has ever found) and active, big, very dangerous (and imaginary) stockpiles of WMDs: the pretext on which Bush sent America to invade Iraq for.

''The discovery of old, degraded chemical munitions in Iraq is not news. The Bush administration went to war expecting to find older weapons, along with a thriving new chemical weapons program (that didn’t exist). Ten years ago, the final report of the weapons inspectors sent to find Saddam Hussein’s WMDs (commonly known as the Duelfer Report) was released, and it noted that “a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered” in the country, but that Iraq had not produced any new weapons.''

Source: http://www.salon.com...imes_bombshell/

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Thorvir

I thought I read that ISIS dug up some armories that had Chemical weapons and Nerve Agents in Iraq and were using them against the Syrians. That would be proof that there was chemical weapons still there, even if the production programs had stopped.

I certainly hope that doesn't happen. Though I remember at one point that Syria had its own stash of chemical WMD.

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The way I see it Ted Cruz wants to turn the United States into a religious state. He's a fanatic and a right wing extremist. He's an irrational individual who is a denier of climate change, an anti-gay, anti-abortion&contraception and anti-muslim. Basically he wants to bring your country back prior to the 1900's.

But you are seeing it all wrong Samus. That isn't what Ted Cruz wants at all. He is not a fanatic....unless you view all Christians as fanatics...but if you do...then you have to view all Muslims as fanatics as well. There is nothing extreme about the Constitution of the United States of America...unless of course you subscribe to Fascism, Nazism, or Communism...then...yeah you have a point...because what is extreme there is the idea of Freedom.

There is nothing irrational about not accepting the Leftist Notion that because of Man, the Climate is Changing. The opposite is actually irrational. The rational thought process is that, in an age of technological computer advancement...when the weather experts cannot even predict with any certainty the weather on a day to day basis, the rational thought process is that computer generated models of Climate Change are not accurate for forecasting long range global changes....ice ages, etc. Climate change is silly.

Let's face it, your Tea Party favorite has very little chance of winning the nomitation. Even if the GOP does shot itself in the foot (so much for gun control..), I don't think a majority of Americans should wish to have a preacher of ultra-conservative values as President. That would be a gift for the Democrats.

Most Americans are Conservative.

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There is nothing irrational about not accepting the Leftist Notion that because of Man, the Climate is Changing.

It's not an Leftist Notion™, it's a scientific consensus. The fact that he willfully ignores the scientific data and choose to spread ignorance based on a religious ideology should not be taken lightly.

Get yourself informed: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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It's not an Left Notion™ it's science. The fact that he willfully ignores scientific data and choose to spread ignorance based on an ideology should not be taken lightly.

You are wrong Samus...there is no science....Global Climate Change was a hoax from the beginning. It is a Hoax from the Left. It is designed to limit the Energy Production of America. You have fallen for a lie my friend. Look...seriously...just think about a couple of things in your spare time okay...don't need a link...don't need a chart...just think in your own head about this:

The Ice Age...came and went....not over decades....not even over centuries...over thousands of years. Global Cooling...Global Warming...they are Earth cycles...no, they are Planetary Cycles...the reason is because we do not have a static 360 degree orbit around the sun....it is eliptical. Over a long period of time we gradually move further away from the sun....and over a long period of time we gradually move closer to the sun.

It is not cars, boats, planes and such that are causing Global Climate Change. It is cyclical...and there are all kinds of cycles...short range cycles (droughts etc) and much longer range cycles (Ice Ages and such).

It is indeed a product of the Left. By design to limit America's Energy Production capabilities...and why and who would want that to take place? Your friend Russia...because limiting America's use of its own natural resources, limiting its energy production capabilities stunts Capitalism, which is the engine of America....limit Capitalism...you limit Freedom itself.

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You are wrong Samus...there is no science....Global Climate Change was a hoax from the beginning. It is a Hoax from the Left. It is designed to limit the Energy Production of America. You have fallen for a lie my friend. Look...seriously...just think about a couple of things in your spare time okay...don't need a link...don't need a chart...just think in your own head about this:

Oh, boy. And men never went on the moon! Be damned these Leftists™ at NASA! :rolleyes:

EDIT: Sorry joc, I prefer to consider real scientific research when it comes to climate change, not some dubious far-right ideological agenda. Such rigorous researches that have been carried by various independant bodies around the world and all agree on the evidence and cause: the greenhouse effect.

Again: http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

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Oh boy. And men never went on the moon!

of course they did...American Men. America Samus...America developed the technology to get to the moon. America went to the moon. And that technology that we developed led to higher and higher and smaller and smaller and faster and faster technologies that eventually might land men on Mars. And it is Capitalism Samus and Freedom and Liberty that allowed that technology to come to life.

Everything Left has its roots in Moscow. Follow the trail of global climate change and it will lead you straight to the Kremlin.

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of course they did...American Men. America Samus...America developed the technology to get to the moon. America went to the moon. And that technology that we developed led to higher and higher and smaller and smaller and faster and faster technologies that eventually might land men on Mars. And it is Capitalism Samus and Freedom and Liberty that allowed that technology to come to life.

I see you're not mentionning the word science anywhere. That's what brought these Russian space probes and eventually an American manned mission on the moon in the first place. The very scientific method you are ignoring when it comes to climate change; one that is crucial to assess the evidence and impacts of a man-made green house effect.

The way I see it, those people who are citing the Bible or rehearsing some dubious conspiracy theory to refute the scientific consensus on climate change are not going to be very helpul for the developements of new, greener technologies and are actually standing in the way of progress.

Everything Left has its roots in Moscow. Follow the trail of global climate change and it will lead you straight to the Kremlin.

Science is neither right nor left.

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The Left is left and they use science ...or the lack of it...or the twisting of it...as a tool. Dude! The Chinese invented Rockets...The Germans used Rockets in WWII...they actually started the entire space race...and the nuclear arms race. Go read some history books or something...please.

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The Left is left and they use science ...or the lack of it...or the twisting of it...as a tool. Dude! The Chinese invented Rockets...The Germans used Rockets in WWII...they actually started the entire space race...and the nuclear arms race. Go read some history books or something...please.

Science is neither right nor left, nor is the scientific method restricted to certain cultures or ethnic groups. That's indeed what my books tell me. :)

Edit: Even if a state should happen to use the scientific method unethically for some purpose, we have a whole international scientific community, joc. Objectivity and peer-review (as well as ensuing discussions, debates, conferences ect.) are part of the process. Could the scientific consensus on climate change be wrong? That's always possible though in this case it's very unlikely in light of the overwhelming evidence. You are entitled to your opinions, but please, don't mixt up your religious or fanatical views with science.

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joc

Science is neither right nor left, nor is the scientific method restricted to certain ethnic groups. That's what my books tell me. :)

Even if a state should happen to use the scientific method unethically for some purpose, we have a whole international scientific community, joc.

Samus,

Your books...forget the books man...think! Think outside your 'book box'. The whole international scientific community is not on board with this Hoax ....your books? Written by leftists.

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Samus,

Your books...forget the books man...think! Think outside your 'book box'. The whole international scientific community is not on board with this Hoax ....your books? Written by leftists.

Is that because the right would rather bury there heads in the sand? You learn and get knowledge from reading books, better then making up half baked ideas and saying that is how things are with no proof

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