Moon Gazer Posted March 24, 2015 #1 Share Posted March 24, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32030270 This doesn't sound good Seem to be hearing about so many air crashes lately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundew Posted March 24, 2015 #2 Share Posted March 24, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-32030270 This doesn't sound good Seem to be hearing about so many air crashes lately Crashing in the mountains only a few days post winter can't be good, even IF anyone survived, which sounds unlikely. I hope terrorism was not the cause, there has also be an awful lot of that in the last few days as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted March 24, 2015 #3 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The flight details are here. http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-aipx/#5d42675 So very sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted March 24, 2015 #4 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Terrible news. - They say air travel is the safest form of transport. But when it goes wrong it does so dramatically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 24, 2015 #5 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The description of the wreckage seems to indicate that it slammed in at a very high speed - no large pieces of wreckage. Sounds like it was quick, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted March 24, 2015 #6 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Damn. Grim news. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 24, 2015 #7 Share Posted March 24, 2015 German media just reported that a number of GERMAN WINGS and LUFTHANSA crews refused their duty on todays flights on AIRBUS planes, resulting in flight cancellations at DUS and STR A/P. The crews legitimated their todays denial with the fact that the plane that crashed in France, was blocked yesterday at DUS A/P for a few hours by an AOG (aircraft on ground) modus due to technical problems of the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted March 24, 2015 #8 Share Posted March 24, 2015 It was an old lady, first flight November 1990. That being said Lufthansa/Germanwings have an excellent rep for maintenance. 7 flights were cancelled because of difficulties with crew. I imagine Germanwings will be taking disciplinary action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted March 24, 2015 #9 Share Posted March 24, 2015 this is 17th a320 that has crashed, since they came out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted March 24, 2015 #10 Share Posted March 24, 2015 http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/a320.htm Summary of A320 events, if anyone is interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 24, 2015 #11 Share Posted March 24, 2015 this is 17th a320 that has crashed, since they came out. Might be but this fact does not give an impression of anything. The full statistic is doing the trick: http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted March 24, 2015 #12 Share Posted March 24, 2015 The description of the wreckage seems to indicate that it slammed in at a very high speed - no large pieces of wreckage. Sounds like it was quick, anyway. Only if falling for 8 minutes is quick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted March 24, 2015 #13 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I don't understand ? No emergency radio call to the control tower ? No change on its aviation transponder to emergency mode ? These are both rehearsed and practiced proceedures in an emergency. Either the pilot didn't know he was descending, or he didn't care, or his radio's where out ???/ It doesn't seem to make sense ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 24, 2015 #14 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I don't understand ? No emergency radio call to the control tower ? No change on its aviation transponder to emergency mode ? These are both rehearsed and practiced proceedures in an emergency. Either the pilot didn't know he was descending, or he didn't care, or his radio's where out ???/ It doesn't seem to make sense ? Flight recorder data pending. Investigation results pending. Flight crash cause still unknown. Untill now its all tea leaf reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithisco Posted March 24, 2015 #15 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Only if falling for 8 minutes is quick. It is actually VERY quick - far beyond normal operation, even when landing. Don't forget that this aircraft essentially fell from 7 miles of altitude! This is an incredibly sad event, the A320 is inherently the safest short to medium range aircraft in the world (the Boeing 737 has a fatality rate that is 5 TIMES GREATER). Early indications suggested that the pilot broadcast "Emergency, Emergency" this cannot be correct because the correct call would have been "Mayday, Mayday". Passengers in the cabin would have been told "Emergency, Emergency, Brace Position!" so this must be incorrect... I understand that 1 black box (actually orange) has been found which , if it contains the necessary ADAHARS (Air Data, Attitude, Heading Reference data) should help to determine what happened. That the Pilot / co - Pilot made no other communication is bizarre, and I really do not understand this. As to causes: I have been racking my brains and yet I keep coming back to a catastrophic loss of engine power - if you lose both engines then you lose all anti - icing protection, which is sufficient to interrupt all control surface commands, and the only way to counteract this is to lose altitude very quickly down to 10,000 ft - this does not however account for the lack of Pilot communication. Possible fuel contamination? Obviously it is early days for the investigation, and my thoughts are with the friends and family of those who have lost their lives today.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted March 24, 2015 #16 Share Posted March 24, 2015 this is 17th a320 that has crashed, since they came out. Interestingly described by an aviation expert on TV earlier that the A320 had a 'relatively good safety record'. I am certainly no expert but when people use the word relatively with aircraft it does make you raise an eyebrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted March 24, 2015 #17 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Seems the mishaps at cruising altitude are becoming the norm. Traditionally the safest part of the journey, I wonder if something has changed ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted March 25, 2015 #18 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) It is what it is ! Machines can break ! And when your machine is at 38,000 feet and the Mtn`s come up to meet you at your end,Its not a nice sight ! The BLK,AKA orange boxes will tell the Tell ! From Looking at the site ,THey didnt feel a thing ! Total destruction in a mili-sec! Edited March 25, 2015 by DONTEATUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted March 25, 2015 #19 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Man, what a disaster! I couldn't believe the destruction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted March 25, 2015 #20 Share Posted March 25, 2015 No distress signal. People who saw it come down said there was no smoke or fire coming out of the plane, so what happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordorOrc Posted March 25, 2015 #21 Share Posted March 25, 2015 No distress signal. People who saw it come down said there was no smoke or fire coming out of the plane, so what happen? Distraction? Distracted pilots have lead to fatal aircraft accidents in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 25, 2015 #22 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Only if falling for 8 minutes is quick. 3000ft a minute isn't a plunge. But yes, they may have been aware they were in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted March 25, 2015 #23 Share Posted March 25, 2015 A very sad event. I hope they figure out the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aph Posted March 25, 2015 #24 Share Posted March 25, 2015 so sad could be something like air transat 236 crash https://youtu.be/g_JD2NjUXjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted March 25, 2015 #25 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) They maintained their flight path down to the ground. No response to ground communications. Happened over French Alps, so passengers cell phones not working? Plenty of time to hit a tower, if there were any. Very strange.... Witness said: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/germanwings-plane-black-box-found-as-investigators-reach-crash-site "One witness, Sebastien Giroux, said he saw the plane flying very low in the southern Alps near Digne-les-Bains, near where it crashed. “There was no smoke or particular sound or sign of anything wrong, but at the altitude it was flying it was clearly not going to make it over the mountains,” he told BFM-TV. “I didn’t see anything wrong with the plane, but it was too low.” Edited March 25, 2015 by Raptor Witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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