docyabut2 Posted March 26, 2015 #126 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They also know it was the co pilot in the cockpit because they heard the captain `s voice banging on the door. I`d be curious if this captain ever flew with this co pilot before or knew what he looked like. A terrorist group could have kidnapped the pilot , dressed some one in his uniform and got into the cockpit. The bodies had to be many pieces crashing into the mountain and are not identified yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted March 26, 2015 #127 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The hypothetical "replacement" co-pilot would have to be a very competent A320 operator, otherwise he would have aroused suspicions in the pilot. If this was an 'organised' Islamic Terrorist attack, then one or the other of the various groups would surely have claimed responsibility by now ? If this was a "lone wolf" Islamist, then presumably he would have left a note... something explaining his actions, and ensuring that the Kuffir would become frightened; otherwise the act would not be effective. It would serve no purpose to the Ummah. I dunno folks. This doesn't .... feel ? ......like a terrorist attack at the moment, of ANY stripe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted March 26, 2015 #128 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They also know it was the co pilot in the cockpit because they heard the captain `s voice banging on the door. I`d be curious if this captain ever flew with this co pilot before or knew what he looked like. A terrorist group could have kidnapped the pilot , dressed some one in his uniform and got into the cockpit. The bodies had to be many pieces crashing into the mountain and are not identified yet. You assume WAY too much. Yes, they knew each other. There is no hint whatsoever that it was a terrorist attack. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subsonicjourno Posted March 26, 2015 #129 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The whole thing is weird. According to his profile posted on the BBC he seemed like a normal 28 year old guy. What on Earth could have made him do such a horrendous act. One thing that strikes me is odd is reports that he sounded monotone just before the pilot left the cabin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted March 26, 2015 #130 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) The whole thing is weird. According to his profile posted on the BBC he seemed like a normal 28 year old guy. What on Earth could have made him do such a horrendous act. One thing that strikes me is odd is reports that he sounded monotone just before the pilot left the cabin. What makes people steer their car into the oncoming traffic? Edited March 26, 2015 by FLOMBIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subsonicjourno Posted March 26, 2015 #131 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Could it be that he suffered from some type of stroke or mental break? It's just odd how he begins the flight all normal and then appears to go strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 26, 2015 #132 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They also know it was the co pilot in the cockpit because they heard the captain `s voice banging on the door. I`d be curious if this captain ever flew with this co pilot before or knew what he looked like. A terrorist group could have kidnapped the pilot , dressed some one in his uniform and got into the cockpit. The bodies had to be many pieces crashing into the mountain and are not identified yet. Crikey, have you thought of taking over the Tom Clancy franchise from whichever ghostwriter currently has the job? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odas Posted March 26, 2015 #133 Share Posted March 26, 2015 They also know it was the co pilot in the cockpit because they heard the captain `s voice banging on the door. I`d be curious if this captain ever flew with this co pilot before or knew what he looked like. A terrorist group could have kidnapped the pilot , dressed some one in his uniform and got into the cockpit. The bodies had to be many pieces crashing into the mountain and are not identified yet. Possibly. It happened to me. Terrorists kidnapped my wife and in came a tall busty blonde. I did not notice that although I am married to my wife for quite a few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted March 26, 2015 #134 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Um... and this alleged "Investigator" seems to need to brush up on his medical knowledge too, since people do actually continue to breathe even if they're unconscious, does he know? From the same article: “At this stage, the co-pilot is in control, alone,” the prosecutor said. “It is when he is alone that the co-pilot manipulates the flight monitoring system to activate the descent of the plane.” The prosecutor said that this action could only have been “voluntary.” The control the co-pilot activated requires several turns, Mr. Robin said, and it could not have been turned to such a low altitude accidentally. Pretty neat trick, if you're unconscious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted March 26, 2015 #135 Share Posted March 26, 2015 From the same article: “At this stage, the co-pilot is in control, alone,” the prosecutor said. “It is when he is alone that the co-pilot manipulates the flight monitoring system to activate the descent of the plane.” The prosecutor said that this action could only have been “voluntary.” The control the co-pilot activated requires several turns, Mr. Robin said, and it could not have been turned to such a low altitude accidentally. Pretty neat trick, if you're unconscious. correct, to change the altitude you have to first disconnect the Altitude Hold switch and then set the right knob under the altitude indicator to sink or you have to manually turn the left knob to an altitude lower than ground. Both quite amazing tricks if you are out of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted March 26, 2015 #136 Share Posted March 26, 2015 would pushing control stick forward not make the plane dive, even in auto pilot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted March 26, 2015 #137 Share Posted March 26, 2015 would pushing control stick forward not make the plane dive, even in auto pilot? no, you would have to switch off the computer to manually control an A320, it is a fly-by-wire cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socio Posted March 26, 2015 #138 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The copilot committed two acts that are recorded on the black boxes that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt these were purposeful acts and that they led to the destruction of the aircraft: 1. per AP: The A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry if a pilot inside is unresponsive, but the override code known to the crew does not go into effect — and indeed goes into a lockdown — if the person inside the cockpit specifically denies entry, according to an Airbus training video and a pilot who has six years of experience with the jets. This means the copilot purposely locked the pilot out. 2. From http://www.twincities.com/ci_27789659/ : "When he was alone, the co-pilot manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system to initiate the aircraft's descent," Robin said. This can't be done automatically, it was a manipulation of controls at the copilots stations. Neither of the above could be done by mistake and the copilot had complete control till the end as we was heard to be breathing. What would you call this act? I would call it the act of one ungodly selfish, self centered, all about me, mass murdering piece of fecal matter to put it politely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star of the Sea Posted March 26, 2015 #139 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) The whole thing is weird. According to his profile posted on the BBC he seemed like a normal 28 year old guy. What on Earth could have made him do such a horrendous act. One thing that strikes me is odd is reports that he sounded monotone just before the pilot left the cabin. You mention that the First Officer spoke in a "monotone" voice, which can indicate depression. I'm ex cabin crew, I can only imagine with my experience, how horrifying it was for the crew; but those poor passengers ... RIP all that died. Edited March 26, 2015 by Star of the Sea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted March 26, 2015 #140 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I would call it the act of one ungodly selfish, self centered, all about me, mass murdering piece of fecal matter to put it politely. I think you summed this POS up very well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theotherguy Posted March 26, 2015 #141 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Just throwing out a thought, I have been more or less deliberately not reading too much about this. What is "normal breathing?" I assume it rules out hyperventilation, choking, snoring, gasping, or whatever, but was his breathing deep or shallow? Was it deliberately controlled, or did it seem like ordinary daily breathing? While it's apparent his actions were intentional, I'm wondering if any medical effects might have contributed. This is probably just my unwillingness to believe that this was totally deliberate, but did he have a history of, I don't know, epilepsy or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted March 26, 2015 #142 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Its just so hard to believe a average pilot would do such a thing in killing so many people with them , even though there are many cases of pilots doing the same.In this day and age of terrorism I`m holding out until every one is identified if this was this pilot. http://news.aviation...-pilot-suicide/ Edited March 26, 2015 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted March 26, 2015 #143 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The recorder got the co-pilot`s normal breathing pattern ,SO It wasnt a medical issue ! But It was a very sad event ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted March 27, 2015 #144 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Seems European airlines have hurried through US style procedures of not allowing a pilot alone in a cockpit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32075657 Sadly it is 150 odd lives too late. I don't believe you can legislate against lunatics but I can't help wondering why the USA saw this as a potential problem yet it was overlooked/dismissed in Europe. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted March 27, 2015 #145 Share Posted March 27, 2015 We tend to learn from our mistakes ,not of our Knowledge of What we really Are ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted March 27, 2015 #146 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I just read about the co-pilot and what happened. In my opinion he had to have done that on purpose. He had to have had minutes to watch those gages slowly spiraling downward, and those mountains slowly coming up in front of him. He could have pulled up at any time, but he purposefully sat there while the pilot banged on the door and watched the plane smash into a mountainside. I'd suspect that the fellow was mentally unbalanced at the time, but myself, I don't consider that an excuse for killing 150 people. Drive yourself off a cliff for God's sake if you Must kill yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiloh17 Posted March 27, 2015 #147 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Even his decent rate wouldn't send alarm signals to the Airbus, however, had he come down at a steeper decent the plane is designed to pull the nose up if the airspeed reaches the overspeed limit. What he did was deliberate knowing how the airbus operates. It was either suicide, or, being a recent Muslim convert, (reportedly) his one man Jihad. In my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted March 27, 2015 #148 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Seems European airlines have hurried through US style procedures of not allowing a pilot alone in a cockpit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32075657 Sadly it is 150 odd lives too late. I don't believe you can legislate against lunatics but I can't help wondering why the USA saw this as a potential problem yet it was overlooked/dismissed in Europe. Legislation. America leads in this department. Crony capitalism has its benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted March 27, 2015 #149 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Even his decent rate wouldn't send alarm signals to the Airbus, however, had he come down at a steeper decent the plane is designed to pull the nose up if the airspeed reaches the overspeed limit. What he did was deliberate knowing how the airbus operates. It was either suicide, or, being a recent Muslim convert, (reportedly) his one man Jihad. In my opinion. Appears that major news outlets are now taking the news out of Germany that the co-pilot was a recent convert to Islam as a fact, and not a rumor. He apparently was staying at a Mosque during and immediately after his training. It still has to be shown that he was Radicalized. It could still just be a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degen Posted March 27, 2015 #150 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Sure is alot of pilots and flight crash investigators on this forum it seems..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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