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Davros of Skaro

Y'all Just Want To Sin

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Davros of Skaro

Have you ever received the circular logic from a Theist that you just want to be held unaccountable for your actions or that you do not want to submit to a higher authority?

I have but they are dodging the burden of proof that they are not under a delusion.I do my best not to harm others, help others when I can and I do not need a relationship with something that's imaginary for that.

I enjoyed the vid and I hope you do too.

Atheist Debate commentary with Matt Dilahunty "Yall Just Want To Sin".

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shrooma

Live.

Sin.

Die.

.

always lived by that maxim.

always will.

all that 'thou shalt not' rubbish is for the weak.

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Imaginarynumber1

I don't adhere to judeo-christan standards.

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Aftermath

Have you ever received the circular logic from a Theist that you just want to be held unaccountable for your actions or that you do not want to submit to a higher authority?

What is this "circular logic" may I ask? I wasn't able to view the video, sorry if it's explained there.

One thing though, if you presume God is real you would submit to a higher authority, conversely if you presume there's no God there is no higher authority to submit to. Not saying that you're wrong, but hypothetically, what if you are and you're not submitting? Or, conversely, what if you're right and submitting? Which is the most destructive?

If God is real and you do not submit, I suppose you only hurt yourself. Whereas there's an argument that if God is/isn't real and you do submit you will try and submit others though what, wars? Therefore, the latter is the most destructive? What do you think?

Edited to protect the circus freaks.

Edited by Oops Monkey

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joc

...if all Men have sinned and come short of the glory of God...by the actions of one man, Adam....then, all Men have been totally forgiven for that sin by the actions of one man, Jesus.

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Stubbly_Dooright

My first urg, Davros, when reading the the title of this thread, was I wanted to just come in and say:

Alright! You caught us. :devil:;):D

I wonder about this, and the wish to sin and not be accountable. Do all feel this? Well, I don't think so, but I too get individuals who come off and say, 'but God forgives me' and thus explains away their harmful actions towards another and think that God forgiving them is enough. But there are others that do feel they will be punished. So, it makes me wonder on the different individuals who practice this.

I apologize though, I didn't watch the video. Sorry.

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and then

...if all Men have sinned and come short of the glory of God...by the actions of one man, Adam....then, all Men have been totally forgiven for that sin by the actions of one man, Jesus.

Makes it all pretty clear imo. But like the poor, we will always have the rebellious among us. I fight it every day in my own life ;)
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GoldenWolf

Makes it all pretty clear imo. But like the poor, we will always have the rebellious among us. I fight it every day in my own life ;)

Just a wee bit condescending aren't we?

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KariW

I do adhere to Judeo-Christian standards, but my relationship with God is a deeply personal one, and is not something I force on other people, or expect them to even accept. As far as sin goes, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone is something I try to live by.

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Just a wee bit condescending aren't we?

I really don't intend it to be. I'm just being honest about my world view Mystic. I don't hate on people because they don't accept my faith. Just because others have that perception of me doesn't make it accurate. The biggest lesson I ever "got" from the Lord's teaching is that he will forgive ME to the extent that I forgive OTHERS. I fail every day in my attempts to be like him but I keep trying and some days are definitely better than others.
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Imaginarynumber1

I do adhere to Judeo-Christian standards, but my relationship with God is a deeply personal one, and is not something I force on other people, or expect them to even accept. As far as sin goes, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone is something I try to live by.

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Royal

Billy Joel said it best ....."I'd rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints"

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XenoFish

Life is too short to hate yourself for the remainder of it.

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shrooma

sinning ain't all bad.....post-137247-0-26331100-1427837051_thumb.

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OverSword

You mean like that moron from duck dynasty saying that atheists deserve bad things to happen to them since they can't believe there is no right and no wrong because they don't believe there is a God. Idiot.

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Ashotep

Why is everything fun a sin?

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aquatus1

Have I sinned?

Well, I don't have any gods before God, because I am an atheist, so that doesn't count as a sin right? Then again, I'm pretty sure the bible has kind of an all-or-nothing policy on disbelief, so they get you either way.

I don't worship any images, or even images representing gods or whatnot, so I am safe there.

I don't used God's name in vain. I usually have a damn good reason to use it. Even so, I find there are much cleverer and wittier ways to curse. Still, if we are using even casual, god-derived variants, like "Geez", or Maya Angelou's "by the way,", then yeah, guilty as well.

I regularly work on Sundays, whether at home or work-work.

I'm pretty law abiding (except taxes) and I respect my mom and dad, so good there.

Haven't murdered yet.

No adultery (to the best of my knowledge), unless you include porn, in which case we ain't going to Hell, we are in Hell.

Not sure about the stealing (unless you count taxes). I can say I have never taken anything I didn't fell I had earned through my labor.

False witness? Nope. Nothing particularly moral about it. I'm just a really bad liar.

Covet? Hell, yes.

I don't know. Seems like I'm just living life between making myself happy and making the people around me happy. Whether what I do is a sin or not doesn't really feel like a very significant detail.

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GlitterRose

On the other hand, if a person is doing what they do just because they're both hoping to avoid punishment and they are kingdom seeking...does that really make them morally superior? Wouldn't it be more spiritually advanced to do things for others just because you care...and not because you're trying to impress some invisible being you aren't certain exists?

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shrooma

Why is everything fun a sin?

.

or illegal.

or taxed.

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XenoFish
Why is everything fun a sin?

That's like asking why the worst foods to eat taste the best.

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Paranoid Android

Less than two pages and the thread is already meme Central. Surely one can express themselves without the need for memes.

I really hate memes :(

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Galahad

...if all Men have sinned and come short of the glory of God...by the actions of one man, Adam....then, all Men have been totally forgiven for that sin by the actions of one man, Jesus.

Joc, love you man!

What we have is spiritual salvation. I would suggest a quick review of New Covenant, ( even on wiki) sin and judgement are stalled until the final judgment..we operate on credit, payed for by Jesus, but we continue to borrow..until the end of the earth or age. ( the sinful earth ends...it's not the actual end of the earth!, The age length is questionable) .the original sin from the fall is still there, becoming a christian and being reborn does not wipe your slate of the original sin. Even Saint Paul strugled with it " I see another law in my members..." That's the original sin.

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Hammerclaw

All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Just move on; live your lives as best you can. Avoid actions that hurt yourselves and others; something even atheists and apostates might agree to be the worst "sins" of all.

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XenoFish
Less than two pages and the thread is already meme Central. Surely one can express themselves without the need for memes.

Sometimes you need visual imagery to convey a point better than words.

I've always felt that in christianity nothing you every did was good enough. Everything was a sin. From your thoughts, feelings, and your actions. Then I questioned why God has such a human standard. Considered that "it" is some all powerful being. It wouldn't have the same standards as us or any at all. This lead me to believe God/religion was just a means of mass control. An early form of government. Ruling people through promise and fear. You have to consider where the three main religions came from. Not a peaceful place by any means.

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