USA Patriot Act II

[SilverCougar]

*rolls her eyes* Ok... continue to keep that blind eye.

And accually, ever been to England? How many bombers they put up with with the NRI? Terrorism isn't just middle easterns either... they can be blue eyes and blond haired.

[bathory]

yes i know its not just middle easteners, i'm just saying that racial profiling does have its place

[4dplane]

i dunno about you guys, but maybe you are blowing things out of proportion...i mean has Patriot Act 1 had such a huge influence on people?

Yes, it has had a huge influence on people, but not enough to make them take heed and do something about it. The fact that few people consider the acts to be dangerous is where the true danger lies. One day it could be too late for you to change your mind, one day you may not have that choice.

Why do people simply believe that the souls in charge are going to do the right thing? Look at history, it tells us that we cannot fully trust one another. We must always be watching out for the fall of man (I say this from a religious point of view). If we don’t, then we ourselves become a force of the problem.

It is a citizen’s duty to stand up to the people that try and take their liberties from them; and yes, even to stand up against the government that was elected by the people - they may not always be looking out for our best interests!

A few of us can easily understand the danger in what is beginning to happen. To get a grasp of that danger, we must first look at what the US has done to its civil liberties in the past. One of the most dramatic infringements I could find on US civil liberties was the Sedition Act of 1918. It simply stated that an American could not use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces. This Act was repealed in 1921.

I wonder how American civil liberties were affected in World War II, The Cuban Missile Crises – The Cold WAR or the war on drugs etc ???!!!???!!!???

I have looked a bit for the answer and have found only one major act that has had a major effect on the rights of US citizens (the Sedition Act). Obviously human rights have not been perfectly upheld in the past, the US incarcerated American Japanese citizens and others during World War II in fear of a homeland attack. I would name more but I don’t want to look up all the facts. The point is, the Patriot Act I and its Big Brother number II, are the most drastic measure every taken by the US government over its civilians in order to protect them. In addition to this fact (prove me wrong, please, I’d feel better if you did) the US has sent the greatest message the world has ever received – FEAR. With this massively produced image of, “you are going to die” Americans have dropped their pants and have said, “Please don’t heart me! Take what you want and I will be grateful – (for I have sinned …)”. – OUCH!

Edited November 28, 2004 by 4dplane

[SilverCougar]

  yes i know its not just middle easteners, i'm just saying that racial profiling does have its place

374474[/snapback]

Does it? racial profiling is just as bad as any form of bigotory out there.

That's like saying "Oh, he's from Scotland.. he's nothing but a bagpipe blower who likes them sheeps." Or "Oh look, he's from China... he must like frying up thier dogs!"

It has no place. Especialy since they're not even hitting the ones who are "threat"

So far they've found atles 3 or 4 people who arn't middle eastern, but born and raised americans that help out the terrorist factions, none of them were profiled before hand... because they were caucassian....

[bathory]

so what if they've found caucasian people helping them? i never said it was the only form of profiling...you are restricting yourself by attempting to be so obnoxiously pc,

i guess its a case of bend over and take it from your government, or bend over and take it from the enemy:)

Edited November 27, 2004 by bathory

[Wings of Selkhet]

I'm still waiting for someone to defend this wonderful, wonderful addition to the Patriot Act. C'mon! Show those terrorists who's boss!

[Lochness_hunter]

The patriot act is a nessacary installment to national defense of the United States of America. This will allow the governmet to discourage terrorist and notify the public to the dangers that terrorist still pose to the United States of America. It will not affect the innocent people of america, only the evil doers that pose an immediate treat to american interest here and abroad.

i bet 50 bucks that this is what Bush will say if he is ever asked about the Patriot act.

I do think that we need some kind of anti-terrorism act, but nothing this unrational. Here are the points we need to go on. More defense at ports and borders. Monitoring of all schools and colleges. Government agents on every plane that flies in American Airspace, but doesn't have to be american agent could be an agent form the country of origin. And you have to be licensed to buy or sell any type of explosive.

If we do all of that i think we should be very safe, but all of the New gathering is illegal and all of that is ridicuous.

[bathory]

And you have to be licensed to buy or sell any type of explosive.

thats like saying "we should make it so that people have to be licenced to fly planes" oh wait that didn't stop some nut balls from giving it a shot:(

[Lochness_hunter]

thats like saying "we should make it so that people have to be licenced to fly planes" oh wait that didn't stop some nut balls from giving it a shot:(

I don't think that the terrorist where "Licenced" pilots. I think they took a few flight lessons and learned the fundimentles of flying a plane. I mean to be licensed to use by or sell explosives must be complete. Not just take a few lessons of it. You must have the little slip of paper stating that you are trained, verified, and not a fake. We should have a database with all of the names of every person who is licente to handle explosives. And whenever you try to buy it your name must show up in the data base.

Now let a terrorist try to get but some type of explosive with that kind of security.

Edited November 28, 2004 by Lochness_hunter

[wunarmdscissor]

I do agree with you bathory racial profiling unfortunatley does have its place.

Face it

99% of the worlds terrorists are asian.

theres uproar from asians in Britain about an increase in random police stops on asians, simple fact is what the hell do they expect???

They surely watch the news dont they?

UNtil such times where europeans are the major contributors to terrorism then asians should be stopped increasingly.

I know its horrible but essential.

Oh and the patriot act has nothing to do with terrorism lol. Its the american government just tightening its grip over the great unwashed that s all.

[Sunofone]

here is an outline by alex jones of the rights we are about to lose and the new tools available to the govt-

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News Gathering Is Illegal

Under New Patriot Act ll

By Alex Jones

InfoWars.com

11-20-4

SECTION 102 of the new Patriot Act ll states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

A Brief Analysis of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003

- Also Known as USA Patriot Act II

Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001. The first Patriot Act was universally decried by civil libertarians and Constitutional scholars from across the political spectrum. William Safire, while writing for the New York Times, described the first Patriot Act's powers by saying that President Bush was "seizing dictatorial control." On February 7, 2003 the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan public interest think-tank in DC, revealed the full text of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. The classified document had been leaked to them by an unnamed source inside the Federal government. The document consisted of a 33 page section by section analysis of the accompanying 87 page bill.

The bill itself is stamped "Confidential - Not for Distribution." Upon reading the analysis and bill, I was stunned by the scientifically crafted tyranny contained in the legislation. The Justice Department Office of Legislative Affairs admits that they had indeed covertly transmitted a copy of the legislation to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, (R-Il) and the Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney as well as the executive heads of federal law enforcement agencies.

It is important to note that no member of Congress was allowed to see the first Patriot Act before its passage, and that no debate was tolerate by the House and Senate leadership. The intentions of the White House and Speaker Hastert concerning Patriot Act II appear to be a carbon copy replay of the events that led to the unprecedented passage of the first Patriot Act.

There are two glaring areas that need to be looked at concerning this new legislation:

1. The secretive tactics being used by the White House and Speaker Hastert to keep even the existence of this legislation secret would be more at home in Communist China than in the United States. The fact that Dick Cheney publicly managed the steamroller passage of the first Patriot Act, ensuring that no one was allowed to read it and publicly threatening members of Congress that if they didn't vote in favor of it that they would be blamed for the next terrorist attack, is by the White House's own definition terrorism. The move to clandestinely craft and then bully passage of any legislation by the Executive Branch is clearly an impeachable offense.

2. The second Patriot Act is a mirror image of powers that Julius Caesar and Adolf Hitler gave themselves. Whereas the First Patriot Act only gutted the First, Third, Fourth and Fifth Amendments, and seriously damaged the Seventh and the Tenth, the Second Patriot Act reorganizes the entire Federal government as well as many areas of state government under the dictatorial control of the Justice Department, the Office of Homeland Security and the FEMA NORTHCOM military command. The Domestic Security Enhancement Act 2003, also known as the Second Patriot Act is by its very structure the definition of dictatorship.

I challenge all Americans to study the new Patriot Act and to compare it to the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence. Ninety percent of the act has nothing to do with terrorism and is instead a giant Federal power-grab with tentacles reaching into every facet of our society. It strips American citizens of all of their rights and grants the government and its private agents total immunity. Here is a quick thumbnail sketch of just some of the draconian measures encapsulated within this tyrannical legislation:

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration's "enemy combatant" definition to all American citizens who "may" have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is "any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.") Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn't broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.

Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person "had inferred from conduct" that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the "enemy combatant" terrorist designation.

SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.

SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of "suspected terrorists" and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as "terrorist." These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.

SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contempt charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: "This is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever."

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the "enemy combatant" designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government's newly announced power of "surveillance without a court order."

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, "thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime."

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to break down any and all walls of privacy. The government states that they must look at everything to "determine" if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners' and medical examiners' operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton's special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistle blower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to "stop other unlawful activities." It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures - has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled "Providing Material Support to Terrorism." The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or "other criminals" to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates "lifetime parole" (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTION 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities. There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state legislation in modern world history.

There are many other sections that I did not cover in the interest of time. The American people were shocked by the despotic nature of the first Patriot Act. The second Patriot Act dwarfs all police state legislation in modern world history.

Usually, corrupt governments allow their citizens lots of wonderful rights on paper, while carrying out their jackbooted oppression covertly. From snatch and grab operations to warantless searches, Patriot Act II is an Adolf Hitler wish list.

You can understand why President Bush/Dick Cheney & Dennis Hastert want to keep this legislation secret not just from Congress, but the American people as well. Bill Allison, Managing Editor of the Center for Public Integrity, the group that broke this story, stated on my radio show that it was obvious that they were just waiting for another terrorist attack to opportunistically get this new bill through. He then shocked me with an insightful comment about how the Federal government was crafting this so that they could go after the American people in general. He also agreed that the FBI has been quietly demonizing patriots and Christians and those who carry around pocket Constitutions.

I have produced two documentary films and written a book about what really happened on September 11th. The bottom line is this: the military-industrial complex carried the attacks out as a pretext for control. Anyone who doubts this just hasn?t looked at the mountains of hard evidence.

Of course, the current group of white collar criminals in the White House might not care that were finding out the details of their next phase. Because, after all, when smallpox gets released, or more buildings start blowing up, the President can stand up there at his lectern suppressing a smirk, squeeze out a tear or two, and tell us that See I was right. I had to take away your rights to keep you safe. And now it's your fault that all of these children are dead. From that point on, if anyone criticizes tyranny they will be shouted down by the paid talking head government mouthpieces in the mainstream media.

You have to admit, its a beautiful script. Unfortunately, it's being played out in the real world. If we don't get the word out that government is using terror to control our lives while doing nothing to stop the terrorists, we will deserve what we get - tyranny. But our children won't deserve it.

HOW THE PATRIOT ACT COMPARES TO

HITLERS ERMÄCHTIGUNGSGESETZ (ENABLING ACT):

At http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm

you can read the following 4 Articles:

1) How Patriot Act Compares to Hitler's Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act)

2) A 21st Century Comparison of The Enabling Act and The Patriot Act

3) Ten Key Dangers of The Patriot Act that Every American Should Know

4) Bill Moyers' NOW Comments on the Patriot Act

~~Please tell your congress and senators to repeal the Patriot Act and to throw out current legislation advocating a second act.

Thank You, for your support!

Source:

http://www.rickieleejones.com/political/patriotact.htm

[4dplane]

This post was already started at

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=28019

Ask an admin to merge the two posts or just add yours to the one above etc.... Better to keep info all together in one spot.

If you don’t already know, before you post, run a search on the main form page and see what comes up, it very possible someone already started a topic you are thinking of.

Thanks for posting anyway - scary S***

Edited December 1, 2004 by 4dplane

[Blood Angel]

Merged topics, and no matter what anyone says, BOTH patriot acts are wrong, and directly flush YOUR constitution down the toilet. If you can't see this, then log off your computer and dribble at your TV for the next 50 years.

[bathory]

the only people that will get <DELETED OBSCENITY> by it are the ones who are taking part in stake outs in order to commit terrorist activities, i mean really the government already has more than enough power to abuse

They aren't about to arrest Joe Blow for taking a photo.

Can someone provide an actualy link to the actual Act? as opposed to this fellows interpretation of it?

hell if i recall correctly the original patriot mostly updated governmental powers that were already in place to fight organized crime to include suspected terrorist groups/members.

can we also have a show of hands to see how many people who are opposed to the Patriot Act support Universal Healthcare please?

Edit: Bathory, we have rules on the forum forbidding swearwords being posted. Please re-read the forum rules. Blood Angel.

Edited December 1, 2004 by Blood Angel

[Erikl]

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

Does this include detention centers for juristictial imprisoment of people who are guilty for violating section 102?

Gulags in Alaska not so far??

[Erikl]

Bathory, I agree.

I don't think that anything like what is being described here can take place in the US.

If it weren't for the fact that all the world is united to make youre president look like Adolf Hitler no less, I might have really considered it to be an option.

But all this looks like another lame attempt to demonize Bush for not doing what most of the world wants him to do.

And don't get me wrong here - I'm not a big fan of Bush, but for other reasons.

I think this personal lynch done to him is hypocritic and irritating.

First he get attacked for not knowing where Afghanistan is on the map.

Then he is being attacked for not only spotting it, but sending troops there to catch the perpetrators who were behind 9/11.

I'm also sick of all those "enlightened" countries who criticise the US for invading Iraq and encourage their media to spread that oil conspiracy (which is probably true, btw) while they themselves are motivated by oil .

The demonization of Bush and the US government is an old trick, done back in the USSR.

When someone didn't follow Communist ideals, he was immidietly labeled as a "Nazi", "Fascist", etc.

It was also used in Nazi Germany, when anyone who wasn't a Nazi or disagreed with the Nazis was labeled "Communist" or worst - a "Jew"!

Sure, Bush is pretty authoritarian.

But there are much worst regimes out there, who I, frankly, much more afrai'd of than Bush's USA.

And anyway - why are Europeans being so anti-American all of the sudden?

You are acting as if the US gonna invade Europe any moment now.

It's especially hilarious seeing Britons acting that way .

Don't worry lads - if Europe will not produce another warmonger dictator, no one will invade it .

[Chris_com28]

I'm still trying to get my head around this. So basically everyone is counted as a "foreign power"?

[Mekorig]

Wachout whit the "Patriotic Act" . Its looks like a lot to a lot of law passed in the Military Junta years here in Argentina, in the 70´s.

And a lot of "law abiding" people think like Bathory, until the Junta "little dark (not so secret) secrets" came to light.

[Blood Angel]

Its also very similar to the same way hitler gained confidence from the german people back in the '1930s.

[Celumnaz]

Patriot Act is bad. 1 & 2. The Federal has taken way too much power and needs to be taken down a notch.

With things like the Patriot Act under people like Hillary Clinton, yes, the US will become a Facist Socialist Nation... I'm just thankful we're not there yet.

[moderatemohamed]

This is so stipud, all cause of Bush, gathering news articles doesn't make anyone enemies of America. Unless they read it over or study it. I quess until we stop those Islamic Extremists which we will, then were stuck with these pariot act laws which might or might not voliate the constitution. Bush is a good president, one thing he needs to do, is handle this Iraq war better, and not make the same mistake again. And he needs put more pressure on Israel than on the palestinian authority. Israeli Occupation is Terrorism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, The American Occupation is justified well 90%, since they'll root out these black flagged group which are cowards. America and the Black flagged group both are cowards, mostly the black flagged group.

[Sunofone]

Bathory, I agree.

I don't think that anything like what is being described here can take place in the US.

If it weren't for the fact that all the world is united to make youre president look like Adolf Hitler no less, I might have really considered it to be an option.

But all this looks like another lame attempt to demonize Bush for not doing what most of the world wants him to do.

your comments on these "lame attempts" is respectfully requested-

please then respond to the four items i discussed in this thread my fourth post down

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...pic=25660&st=45

1-being the demonstration of how the fire was going out-included is photographic evidence-compare it to the sequence when the tower collapsed-where a huge ball of fire is visible"before" the tower collapse

2-next is the reublicans own document titled the "project for the new american century" where in their own words described the pretext necessary for their agenda to prccede quickly

3-the "prophecy" pertaining to a cardgame titled "illuminatti new world order" released in 95' detailing the events of 9/11 in strategy card form-the "terrorist nuke" card is ominous considering the public is being told it was planes that brought the building down-when we all know planes dont create a molten pool of steel and concrete that takes six weeks to cool!

4-evidence of foreknowledge of the 95' oklahoma attack on the federal murrah building consisting of a book written four years before the attacks by the govenor of ok's brother martin keating detailing the nature of the attack only the perp in his book was "tom mcvey" not- tim mcveigh also the broken tail light ended up foiling the attack in the book -not being the reason for his capture

one more please...

5--

this is a new piece of evidence not presented by me here yet that warrants a comment-included is a news article from 9/08 forecasting the location of the president on 9/11--with such information available to potential terrorists do you really think that the secret service would have stood around while the president reads a book to kids-this article discusses the absurdity of the secret sevice's reaction to the attacks on 9/11-video of someone telling the president(after the second plane struck mind you) "we are under attack" at a disclosed location tells volumes about what had to have been known-not only was the life of the president in danger but the children as well-the articles title "the dogs that did not bark" was a perfect description of the curiosity of that video

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Florida Straits

Bush Presses Education Agenda in Sunshine State

W A S H I N G T O N, Sept. 10 — President Bush headed to Florida today to push for quick passage of his education reforms as the flagging economy commands increasing attention back in the nation's capital. [ABC News]

President Bush's visit to Booker Elementary was public knowledge on September 10, 2001.

The Secret Service at Booker Elementary:

The Dog That Did Not Bark

THE VIDEO THAT PROVES 9/11 WAS NOT A SURPRISE

Inspector Gregory:

"Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"

Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."

"The dog did nothing in the nighttime"

"That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes.

From "The Adventure of Silver Blaze" by Arthur Conan Doyle

RealVideo excerpt 7 MB

QuickTime full video 25 MB

Right click link and select

'Save Target As'

to download video

Forget what is in this video. Concentrate instead on what should be there and isn't!

We've all seen the video. It figures prominently in Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11". It is the video of George Bush at Booker Elementary School being informed by Andy Card of the second impact of a passenger jetliner into the World Trade Center, then sitting there for several minutes reading about goats.

What damns the Bush administration is not what is in this video, but what SHOULD be in the video and is not. Ostensibly, Bush and Card are reacting to a surprise attack, but Bush does not act surprised, and Andrew Card does not act like a man delivering an unexpected piece of news but instead is merely delivering a progress report to which he already knows Bush will not have an immediate response.

There is one more thing that should be in this video and isn't, and that is the Secret Service, the protective detail whose one and only job is the President's safety.

The fictional Sherlock Holmes solved the crime in "Silver Blaze" deducing that it is the owner of the house who is the criminal. How does he know? Because the dog did not bark. The only criminal who could could carry out the crime and not arouse the dog was a criminal the dog already knew as a friend, the dog's owner.

Now let us turn our Sherlockian logic on 9-11. Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory nobody could have known how many there are or if more planes were not in the process of being hijacked. How could they? Two of the planes had crashed into the World Trade Center. There is an airport only four miles from Booker Elementary School, and Bush's presence at the school was in the news media days in advance. The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker on September 8th, given the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.

And yet the Secret Service did not rush in and remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with so many unknowns. They don't do anything else.

But the Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

Bush defenders try to explain away Bush's inaction as not wanting to upset the children. Michael Moore explains away Bush's inaction by suggesting he hadn't been told to leave. But Michael Moore failed to follow that line of reasoning through to its logical conclusion; where were the people whose job it is to get the President to a place of safety in event of attack, the people who would have, SHOULD have, pulled Bush out of there, children and public appearances be damned!

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

If the events of 9-11 were really a surprise to the United States Government, then there is no way that the Secret Service could know there wasn't a hijacked or stolen plane headed towards Booker Elementary School that very second.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

The Secret Service should be in that video but they are not. From their inaction, it is clear that the Secret Service KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS NOT A TARGET OF ONE OF THE HIJACKED PLANES. And the only way anyone could know that for a fact at that moment is to have known what the targets of the hijacked planes were, at that exact moment, standing there in the school.

The Secret Service did nothing. The dog did not bark.

Quod Erat Demonstradum, the Bush Administration was part of the 9-11 plot.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11secretservice.html

Edited December 4, 2004 by Sunofone

[Sunofone]

you know it really comes down to what exactly you "believe" in-just ou of curiosity i would like to post a poll-"Who is the REAL American?"

A -someone who pledges alligence the current administration

B -someone who pledges alligence to the "constitution"

C -I dont live there and dont care but i would support the administration

D-i dont live there but i admire the constitution

[twpdyp]

None of the above, a real American is someone who will fight to the death to defend the country against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Recognizes the office of President and respects it. Uses the powers protected by the Constitution to effect change where citizens feel it is neccessary.

Edited December 5, 2004 by twpdyp

[SilverCougar]

huh... guess I'm not a real American then. oh well *shrugs*