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The left always riots when people don't do as they say. Liberalism/progressives have become the antithesis of free speech and liberty.

It seems to me that social protests are very much part of freedom of speech and liberty in a democratic country.

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Well. Thank you for that 'pat on the head'.

You are welcome. Canada of 40 years ago is a distant memory as socialism has overtaken good sense north of the border. You literally have no military left and are totally dependent on the US for defense but guess what, the unthinkable has happened and the US has abandoned many of its allies. Barack Hussein Obama doesn't give a flying F about Canada so Putin is now assuming mineral rights in Canada's old stomping ground in your northern seas and no one is going to stop him. Enjoy.

It seems to me that social protests are very much part of freedom of speech and liberty in a democratic country.

Yes, it is always a warming experience to see people rioting because their entitlements are threatened. Generational dependency is the outcome of nearly $22Trilion dollars of investment in the Great Society and the results of all that money is more people on food-stamps than ever in American history, an increase of the debt in one President's term that is greater than the debt assumed by all presidencies combined and the worst recovery from a recession in American history. African Americans are in worse shape now than when Johnson duped them 50 years ago.

Social protests should be for more freedom and less government, not more handouts. Regardless, your argument is a specious one as I never declared that protests are bad but that some causes are. For reference see Greece and tell me you approve..

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Social protests should be for more freedom and less government, not more handouts. Regardless, your argument is a specious one as I never declared that protests are bad but that some causes are. For reference see Greece and tell me you approve..

It's not a specious argument, for them their cause is legitimate and they feel entitled to show their insatisfaction. Freedom of speech and liberty allows for many viewpoints and the right to voice any of them in social protests. If you don't agree with their opinions that's certainly your choice, but I fail to see how one can claim that progressists/liberals are the ''antithesis of free speech and liberty'' because a group of people descended on the street to protest against gov austerity.

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It's not a specious argument, for them their cause is legitimate and they feel entitled to show their insatisfaction. Freedom of speech and liberty allows for many viewpoints and the right to voice any of them in social protests. If you don't agree with their opinions that's certainly your choice, but I fail to see how one can claim that progressists/liberals are the ''antithesis of free speech and liberty'' because a group of people descended on the street to protest against gov austerity.

Well look up the definition of specious then son because I never commented on their right to protest, that was all you trying to hijack the conversation, I merely said their protest was that of people beggared by your political philosophy who had no idea that there was anything beyond their government handouts. Be proud of yourself for being a liberal whose politics has destroyed generations of life just to maintain a voting block of people dependent on liberal largesse. Disgusting but the public unions thank you as all the stimulus billions went to them and then the DNC by way of union donations.

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You are welcome. Canada of 40 years ago is a distant memory as socialism has overtaken good sense north of the border. You literally have no military left and are totally dependent on the US for defense but guess what, the unthinkable has happened and the US has abandoned many of its allies. Barack Hussein Obama doesn't give a flying F about Canada so Putin is now assuming mineral rights in Canada's old stomping ground in your northern seas and no one is going to stop him. Enjoy

Well, Canada used* to be a peaceful country so we had no real concern of drawing the wrath of a foreign military might on us. As far as having 'no military', since Canada is under NATO's umbrella and sends it money on a regular basis, we expect some help in return from the Alliance if ever needed.

As for the North Pole, three countries have laid claim on it over the years, Canada, Russia and Denmark. If all of them provide scientific evidence supporting their claims, than the matter will probably have to be settled through negotiations. To be honest, I don't think Canada's claim is any more valid than the others.

*I say used because the current Tory gov has shown hawkish behaviors so as to make Canada something that it was never intended to be.

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Well look up the definition of specious then son because I never commented on their right to protest, that was all you trying to hijack the conversation, I merely said their protest was that of people beggared by your political philosophy who had no idea that there was anything beyond their government handouts. Be proud of yourself for being a liberal whose politics has destroyed generations of life just to maintain a voting block of people dependent on liberal largesse. Disgusting but the public unions thank you as all the stimulus billions went to them and then the DNC by way of union donations.

I get it, you are a hardcore neocon, but that still doesn't make progressivism or liberalism the ''anthesis of freedom of speech and liberty''. The exemple you provided to support that claim in post #174 - the fact that they are protesting in the streets - is to me, rather contradictory. Now time to move on. ;)

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Did they really? That's the first I've heard of it. It may just be that the BBc are Suppressing it of course. It's wonderful what one can do with carefully selected and carefully trimmed pictures of a few people in masks with Socialist Worker placards, isn't it. You can manufacture a riot out of thin air.

(I really hope the Protestors were proud of the "anti-Tory graffiti" they heroically sprayed in another picture on that page. Spraying " :blush: :blush: :blush: :blush: Tory Scum" on a war memorial will certainly prompt David Cameron to resign. :blush: )

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You are welcome. Canada of 40 years ago is a distant memory as socialism has overtaken good sense north of the border. You literally have no military left and are totally dependent on the US for defense but guess what, the unthinkable has happened and the US has abandoned many of its allies. Barack Hussein Obama doesn't give a flying F about Canada so Putin is now assuming mineral rights in Canada's old stomping ground in your northern seas and no one is going to stop him. Enjoy.

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There's gratitude to a country that always jumps up and salutes whenever Uncle Sam orders it to. What does Stephen Harper have to do to earn any gratitude? Bop the Tyrant Putin on the nose next time he sees him? If Harper is a socialist then so are all the prospective Republican candidates for the Presidency. Edited by Norbert Dentressangle
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If Harper is a socialist then so are all the prospective Republican candidates for the Presidency.

Yes Merc clearly doesn't understand the current political situation in this country.

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Going back to the Election, I bet a lot of people wish they'd known about this.

A returning Conservative MP giggled like a schoolboy after one disgruntled voter drew a penis next to his name on their ballot slip - and the vote was still counted.

Mr Davies wrote on his Facebook page: "One voter decided to draw a detailed representation of a penis instead of a cross in my box on one ballot paper.

"Amazingly, because it was neatly drawn within the confines of the box the returning officer deemed it a valid vote. I'm not sure the artist meant it to count, but I am grateful. If I knew who it was, I would like to thank him ( or her) personally."

:santa:

Think about the fun they could have had! And think how it would have brightened up the night of all the people sitting up all night counting all the votes!! :D

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The left always riots when people don't do as they say. Liberalism/progressives have become the antithesis of free speech and liberty.

Merc your to funny. This is from the side who are attempting to cut off funding to scientists who produce information that the the GOP don't like.

Your a very angry man with a simple view of the world - a very dangerous combination.

Br Cornelius

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Going back to the Election, I bet a lot of people wish they'd known about this.

A returning Conservative MP giggled like a schoolboy after one disgruntled voter drew a penis next to his name on their ballot slip - and the vote was still counted.

Mr Davies wrote on his Facebook page: "One voter decided to draw a detailed representation of a penis instead of a cross in my box on one ballot paper.

"Amazingly, because it was neatly drawn within the confines of the box the returning officer deemed it a valid vote. I'm not sure the artist meant it to count, but I am grateful. If I knew who it was, I would like to thank him ( or her) personally."

:santa:

Think about the fun they could have had! And think how it would have brightened up the night of all the people sitting up all night counting all the votes!! :D

haha - so you could have put a smiley face like you suggested when you had your 'brilliant idea' (but not the crosses in the others - :no: )

so any mark as long as it is within the confines of the box can be counted..?..and I wonder if it can also be pen not pencil

if you took your own pen..? ...

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ANY EXCUSE, to cause trouble. but dont read to much into this incident. The Election Map of Great Britain. turned Blue for the Conservative government. if you look at Labour (red) and the SNP (yellow) all areas where you find high unemployment. and no doubt people not happy being told to get off their collective bums and get a job.

Election-forecast-uk.png

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IMO that is..if people are still allowed to have them

Well yes, sometimes though, people base their opinions on actual facts. And given your no doubt downright unpleasant experiences with traitors like Blair and Brown, I thought I missed something regarding Galloway (whose statements I very often agree with - in stark contradictions with the usual suspects). Then again, maybe I have some latent traitereous inclinations I need to come to terms with. Oh well..

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ANY EXCUSE, to cause trouble. but dont read to much into this incident. The Election Map of Great Britain. turned Blue for the Conservative government. if you look at Labour (red) and the SNP (yellow) all areas where you find high unemployment. and no doubt people not happy being told to get off their collective bums and get a job.

Election-forecast-uk.png

Its about 2000 labour supporters rioting. Lock the scum up. They need to learn to respect the national vote.

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Its about 2000 labour supporters rioting. Lock the scum up. They need to learn to respect the national vote.

How long before the Labour Party mobilise their militant wing. - The Unions.

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Merc your to funny. This is from the side who are attempting to cut off funding to scientists who produce information that the the GOP don't like.

Your a very angry man with a simple view of the world - a very dangerous combination.

Br Cornelius

You are obsessive about global warming aren't you? What makes mean angry man, that I don't agree with you? I don't burn down my city when something doesn't go my way politically, that is what people who vote democrat do. I don't throw rocks and riot when I lose an election, that is what the left does. I don't demand that a person be censored and driven off the air because they disagree with my views, that is what the left does. I don't call for a boycott of someone's business because they don't follow my doctrine, that is what the left does. It isn't the right that is angry it is the left, just look at what the democrats and their attack dog union thugs did in Wisconsin when they were driven out if you want to see anger.

I do get angry when I see what the left has done to my country and how democrats change their tune when they are in power. We have spent right around twenty trillion dollars on The Great Society the left fopoisted on us and 50 years later look at what it has wrought. I understand, being a liberal/progressive means never having to say you were wrong and that is why so many flock to the philosphy but peopel are waking up from teh delusion now and hopefully they stay awake and drive you folks out of power for a generation or two.

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You are obsessive about global warming aren't you? What makes mean angry man, that I don't agree with you? I don't burn down my city when something doesn't go my way politically, that is what people who vote democrat do. I don't throw rocks and riot when I lose an election, that is what the left does. I don't demand that a person be censored and driven off the air because they disagree with my views, that is what the left does. I don't call for a boycott of someone's business because they don't follow my doctrine, that is what the left does. It isn't the right that is angry it is the left, just look at what the democrats and their attack dog union thugs did in Wisconsin when they were driven out if you want to see anger.

I do get angry when I see what the left has done to my country and how democrats change their tune when they are in power. We have spent right around twenty trillion dollars on The Great Society the left fopoisted on us and 50 years later look at what it has wrought. I understand, being a liberal/progressive means never having to say you were wrong and that is why so many flock to the philosphy but peopel are waking up from teh delusion now and hopefully they stay awake and drive you folks out of power for a generation or two.

Neither do I or the 25 million other liberals in the UK resort to burning down cities. There are violent extremists on either end of the political spectrum - but you only seem to see the liberal one. I also see the skinheads and the more extreme wing of the UKIP vote who have some very unsavoury ideas.

Your an extremist right wing ideologue every bit as dangerous and destructive as the liberals you wail against. I suggest you look inside for some inner balance and calm yourself down :w00t:

Br Cornelius

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Well, Canada used* to be a peaceful country so we had no real concern of drawing the wrath of a foreign military might on us. As far as having 'no military', since Canada is under NATO's umbrella and sends it money on a regular basis, we expect some help in return from the Alliance if ever needed.

History tells us that the best way to maintain peace is to have a strong defense but it seems your attitude is if "we don't appear aggressive then no one will abuse us.". That is a wildly naive asumption that has proven deadly wrong in the past. Your second excuse is well we pay other people money to protect us. Again, a wildly naive idea that has proven teh downfall of many a regime. NATO and the US are not going to lift a finger if Putin and China declare the entire Arctic sea their playground. If you are fine with that then great but it doesn't really matter sinec you no longer have a say in the matter.

As for the North Pole, three countries have laid claim on it over the years, Canada, Russia and Denmark. If all of them provide scientific evidence supporting their claims, than the matter will probably have to be settled through negotiations. To be honest, I don't think Canada's claim is any more valid than the others.

*I say used because the current Tory gov has shown hawkish behaviors so as to make Canada something that it was never intended to be.

As I said, your country no longer has a say in the matter since you have unilaterally disarmed in the name of peace and depend on others to protect your territorial rights.

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Neither do I or the 25 million other liberals in the UK resort to burning down cities. There are violent extremists on either end of the political spectrum - but you only seem to see the liberal one. I also see the skinheads and the more extreme wing of the UKIP vote who have some very unsavoury ideas.

Your an extremist right wing ideologue every bit as dangerous and destructive as the liberals you wail against. I suggest you look inside for some inner balance and calm yourself down :w00t:

Br Cornelius

Lot's of name calling from Br as usual. Rage away and preach your delusions and I'll just sit here and watch my predictions unfold accurately. :tu:

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Throughout history whenever the burden on the poorest in society grows to great there are riots. They are usually catalysts for positive change in society and in hindsight generally take us to a better fairer society.

I predict that if Cameron follows through with his statements to cut benefits, and especially disability benefits, the country will erupt into riots every bit as serious as those which erupted at the end of Thatchers period in Government (and brought on her resignation). The whole one nation conservatism seems like hollow rhetoric in light of the punitive direction of the last five years where the poorest carried the heaviest burden and the richest got substantially richer for no other reason than the tax and policy initiative enacted by the Government. Introducing tax policies which reward the wealthiest have done nothing to grow the economy and were ideologically driven - they will be the achilles heal of the coming 5 years.

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Lot's of name calling from Br as usual. Rage away and preach your delusions and I'll just sit here and watch my predictions unfold accurately. :tu:

I was pointing out that you have a distinct myopia when it comes to your political analysis. That is fair - not name calling.

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Its about 2000 labour supporters rioting. Lock the scum up. They need to learn to respect the national vote.

This is the 36.9% that voted Tory, I take it?

People classifying other human beings as "scum" based on political differences? How nice. Using the word respect in the next sentence, SMH.

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I was pointing out that you have a distinct myopia when it comes to your political analysis. That is fair - not name calling.

Br Cornelius

No, it's not. See, when someone disagrees with your politics you label them :

Your an extremist right wing ideologue every bit as dangerous and destructive as the liberals you wail against. I suggest you look inside for some inner balance and calm yourself down
:w00t:

When you post garbage like the above then I suggest you take your own advice and calm down. Honestly, if I upset you so much that you have to rattle off churlish liberal rants like the above then why don't you put me on ignore?

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