sljoza Posted April 27, 2015 #1 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I have had this quite disturbing dream for my entire life so far, which means from earliest childhood I remember up to this day. What makes this dream special is that it only occurs when I am ill, I have never took a record on it but presumably each time I have had higher temperature. Visualities in this dream I cannot describe because each time I wake up I cannot recall almost any detail from it but only feelings and fear knowing that this dream had occured. Somehow in my mind I can "imagine" it anew, but very blury and mostly on feelings based and not pictures. I will try to describe it now. There is an open and empty space, but horisontal plane that is a surface with some small shapes that may appear to be grass or some sort (cannot point a finger to what it is but I think it sould represent something SMALL and not-dangerous) as it all seems endless and quite peacefull at this point. As the time goes by a great feeling of uncomfort starts to arise along with some sort of sound/vibration that grows on and on until this uncomfort becomes a very strong fear and this vibration or sound grows to a huge proportion. Following this odd sound, the space arround seems to deform as well, like this emptiness closes in, or as if something huge is starting to cover it and it is getting closer simultaneously with this vibration intensity. When it gets to the biggest point - the dream sort of resets and empty space appears again and entire proces repeats up to few times until I finaly wake up. Has anyone had or heard of this kind of experience maybe? I am 22 years old, and last time I had this was 3 years ago when I had Pneumonia, as I grow older it is rarer. But I perfectly remember having it everytime I was ill as a child. I was reading lately of sleep paralysis, could this be something similar to it? I do not have any consciousness or self awareness in this dream, nor it is viewed from my eyes, as I said it is rather pesence of this space than visualisation of it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
She-ra Posted April 27, 2015 #2 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This does sound like sleep paralysis but I also was thinking if you had an infection it possibly could have caused inflammation in your system and you might have been reacting to that. You must be highly sensitive to your own body. I'm highly sensitive to chemical smells. So, maybe when you are sick your body-mind connection reacts in a way where you pick up on that sort of inflammation when you are sleeping. Just a thought and I could be totally wrong. Or...sleep paralysis. *shrugs* I really don't know but thanks for sharing. Very interesting. Welcome to UM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted April 27, 2015 #3 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Interesting, I was sick a lot as a child and had a very similar dream frequently. It was similar in that it was a horizontal plane, black and white (colorless really, if that can make any sense), started out relatively smooth and over time would get "bumpy" like small mountains that grew larger until that plane became totally rough and enveloped and then smooth out again to just repeat the process. Like you I had no consciousness or self awareness in the dream. I had the same dream as an adult once and only once, while I was sick with the flu. I had all but put it out of my mind at that point but when it happened again it reminded me of all those times I had the dream as a kid. I use the word "dream" but it was not like any other dream, something that when I woke up left me scratching my head. I never thought someone else may have had the same experience. I'm so glad you posted your experience. If I had to guess, it would be that the part of the brain that normally creates a story out of the random firings of neurons while we are asleep for some reason due to illness is absent and all that is left is some other part of the brain interpreting brain signals in another way. I don't think this is anything supernatural, just something that has not been researched yet. Edited April 27, 2015 by Razer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted April 27, 2015 #4 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) I have had this quite disturbing dream for my entire life so far, which means from earliest childhood I remember up to this day. What makes this dream special is that it only occurs when I am ill, I have never took a record on it but presumably each time I have had higher temperature. Visualities in this dream I cannot describe because each time I wake up I cannot recall almost any detail from it but only feelings and fear knowing that this dream had occured. Somehow in my mind I can "imagine" it anew, but very blury and mostly on feelings based and not pictures. I will try to describe it now. There is an open and empty space, but horisontal plane that is a surface with some small shapes that may appear to be grass or some sort (cannot point a finger to what it is but I think it sould represent something SMALL and not-dangerous) as it all seems endless and quite peacefull at this point. As the time goes by a great feeling of uncomfort starts to arise along with some sort of sound/vibration that grows on and on until this uncomfort becomes a very strong fear and this vibration or sound grows to a huge proportion. Following this odd sound, the space arround seems to deform as well, like this emptiness closes in, or as if something huge is starting to cover it and it is getting closer simultaneously with this vibration intensity. When it gets to the biggest point - the dream sort of resets and empty space appears again and entire proces repeats up to few times until I finaly wake up. Has anyone had or heard of this kind of experience maybe? I am 22 years old, and last time I had this was 3 years ago when I had Pneumonia, as I grow older it is rarer. But I perfectly remember having it everytime I was ill as a child. I was reading lately of sleep paralysis, could this be something similar to it? I do not have any consciousness or self awareness in this dream, nor it is viewed from my eyes, as I said it is rather pesence of this space than visualisation of it. Yes it's related to sleep paralysis. There is a natural part of your REM cycle that is naturally negative. Consider it like a practice run each time you sleep for your brain to practice it's fear response. When you are sick for whatever reason you are aware of this. Some people are more aware of their altered states of conciousness than others. The sounds and vibrations are very normal parts of being aware as you descend through layers of conciousness. Sickness seems to be causing yours. I know it's uncomfortable, but it's all very normal. Anything that helps you sleep deeper while you are sick will help. Check with your doctor, but things like CA poppy extract, and melatonin might do the trick. Just be warned sometimes they have the oposite effect on people and you become more aware. Again don't do this without checking with a doc but I'm just telling you what i do ocasionally when I don't want to mess with all the dreams, but a dose of regular over the counter benadryll knocks me out good. I wouldn't worry about it unless it stars to happen when you are not sick, then a sleep study might be a good idea, and if none of that works there are otherways to take care of it by gaining control of your altered states. I hope that helps, let me know if I can help at all. Edited April 27, 2015 by White Crane Feather 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sljoza Posted April 27, 2015 Author #5 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I was very eager to share this, out of personal curiosity among other reasons as well. I know very little about dreaming and brain activity in general so I thought it might be interesting to share this with other people. I would also like to thank you people for sharing your time to read my story and for giving your thoughts about it, much appreciated. As @She-ra and @White Crane Feather noted, it seems very logical to me as well that some change in ogranism sort of "triggers" all of this. I remember I wasn't very keen about going to sleep when younger, but nowdays neglect it is uncomfortable and scary. After all this time, after I wake up it is rather a mere scratch on the head, therefore I wouldn't took any medications because it has no effect on my further daily functionality, but thank you very much for your advice @White Crane. @Razer, now that is something I frankly didn't espected and I am really glad you shared this (if I could use that word, hence we are talking about nightmares). From your description, which actually describes this condition more accuratly than mine, it is the exact same thing. This space does actually looks like mountain or some rocky formation growing on, or as I try to remember like some huge rocky "ball" that grows and rolls closer. This perhaps is maybe more common than any of us thought. I wonder if there will maybe be more people sharing similar experiences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
She-ra Posted April 27, 2015 #6 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yes it's related to sleep paralysis. There is a natural part of your REM cycle that is naturally negative. Consider it like a practice run each time you sleep for your brain to practice it's fear response. When you are sick for whatever reason you are aware of this. Some people are more aware of their altered states of conciousness than others. The sounds and vibrations are very normal parts of being aware as you descend through layers of conciousness. Sickness seems to be causing yours. I know it's uncomfortable, but it's all very normal. Anything that helps you sleep deeper while you are sick will help. Check with your doctor, but things like CA poppy extract, and melatonin might do the trick. Just be warned sometimes they have the oposite effect on people and you become more aware. Again don't do this without checking with a doc but I'm just telling you what i do ocasionally when I don't want to mess with all the dreams, but a dose of regular over the counter benadryll knocks me out good. I wouldn't worry about it unless it stars to happen when you are not sick, then a sleep study might be a good idea, and if none of that works there are otherways to take care of it by gaining control of your altered states. I hope that helps, let me know if I can help at all. Be careful with Melatonin. I know it's natural and I understand the typical tablet is only 2 to 3mg but it is a hormone and you need to be careful before putting anything in your mouth without researching it first. This is especially true for kids and teens and their hormone issues. Research any sort of pill before you randomly take it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
She-ra Posted April 27, 2015 #7 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Interesting, I was sick a lot as a child and had a very similar dream frequently. It was similar in that it was a horizontal plane, black and white (colorless really, if that can make any sense), started out relatively smooth and over time would get "bumpy" like small mountains that grew larger until that plane became totally rough and enveloped and then smooth out again to just repeat the process. Like you I had no consciousness or self awareness in the dream. I had the same dream as an adult once and only once, while I was sick with the flu. I had all but put it out of my mind at that point but when it happened again it reminded me of all those times I had the dream as a kid. I use the word "dream" but it was not like any other dream, something that when I woke up left me scratching my head. I never thought someone else may have had the same experience. I'm so glad you posted your experience. If I had to guess, it would be that the part of the brain that normally creates a story out of the random firings of neurons while we are asleep for some reason due to illness is absent and all that is left is some other part of the brain interpreting brain signals in another way. I don't think this is anything supernatural, just something that has not been researched yet. I love how things work out and I'm glad you benefited from another's porting. I did want to add that what I highlighted in red - I was thinking if there was an infection in some area of the body it could cause inflammation and quite possibly affect the firing? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted April 27, 2015 #8 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Be careful with Melatonin. I know it's natural and I understand the typical tablet is only 2 to 3mg but it is a hormone and you need to be careful before putting anything in your mouth without researching it first. This is especially true for kids and teens and their hormone issues. Research any sort of pill before you randomly take it I certainly can't take it. It qudripples my dream awareness and I spend all night living out a years worth of sagas. Not for me. Edited April 27, 2015 by White Crane Feather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted April 28, 2015 #9 Share Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) This perhaps is maybe more common than any of us thought. I wonder if there will maybe be more people sharing similar experiences. I doubt there will be many more people sharing their experiences, with the thread title like yours, people that have been here a long time see threads with titles like yours come and go, usually a teenager looking for attention and wanting to feel special. I almost didn't click to read it and when I did I was expecting the same thing I have seen for years. Much to my surprise, I found someone else that had a similar experience. My guess is that it is more common then you or I would think, but I would not expect a flood of people here sharing that. If you are really looking for more input, I would suggest starting a thread with the title "A different type of sleep paralysis", that would get more eyeballs on it. Edited April 28, 2015 by Razer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloraFauna Posted November 2, 2017 #10 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) I've had a very similar thing happen ever since I was a child. I would have these dreams a day or two BEFORE I'd get sick. I once told my sister about them and she called them fever dreams. I wouldn't call them dreams though. The very first memory of this "dream" I recalled seeing a wall? It's vertical. Anyways, it was melting. Similar to the texture of honey. Dripping down. Then I see harder surfaces. It's not only that I see it,I feel it too! The textures have changed since then. Sometimes they're rocky. I can feel what I see with my eyes in my mouth too. Sometimes my teeth feel soft. Like my senses are going haywire. If I see something soft then my teeth feel soft etc. It's strange. It's not really a dream , but a sensation also. What I see in these dreams are disturbing to me. It's vile. Sometimes I see surfaces with holes and it freaks me out! It's so repellent that certain textures will be off putting in my everyday life too. Makes my skin crawl just thinking about it. In recent years these dreams have become less and less. Then again, I don't get sick as often as I did as a kid. Now they're different. These images will happen when I'm simply laying down with my eyes closed. On Sunday I layed on my bed midday and just closed my eyes and suddenly I saw an image. It was a white glob on a wall with black vein like lines running through it. That somehow gave me other sensations I could feel in my mouth and in my body. It's hard to explain, but it alarmed me so much so that I opened my eyes as soon as possible. Like if I opened them quick enough maybe I wouldn't get sick. But low and behold by Monday night I was so sick that my throat hurt so bad I couldn't talk. The following day I was congested and phlegmy. I don't know what to call these dreams. It is a warning though. My mind knows I'm sick before my body does. I'm older now and you'd think I'd listen or believe the coincidence. I still pay no attention and hope I don't get sick the next day or two. But I always do. I've had many other "coincidences" happen to me. Dreams, thoughts, premonitions but this has been the most consistent. It's never wrong! Edited November 2, 2017 by FloraFauna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniela Apolinar Posted May 8, 2018 #11 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I Been Having the Same Problem ever Since I can Remeber I was 3 Years Old And i was sick My mom told Me i woke Up crying because Of a dream i had I have Been having the same problem until now the dream is kind of hard to explain like its all dark i describe it as like i see little circles Dark Circles And i feel Discomfort and fear when Im sleeping and I see the circles Coming Closer And closer Getting More Deformed BY the second Little Dots appearing every were And I feel More Of a discomfort And Fear But at first its peaceful its just pitch black and thats it But then Later IT gets worse and worse Its Scary. Its been 9 Years already And I still have the same dream over and over again when i'm sick or have a fever It happen Just last night i had the dream. I told my mom maybe i had a fever but she told me no you were covered with a bunch of blankets you temperature rise and maybe thats why i had the dream. I Hope That we Can All Find A good Explantion to why this is happening and Im happy that im not the only one who has been going through this experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Frausto Posted May 28, 2018 #12 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Yes, I can relate to you. I have had that same dream but quite different though. I can recall absolutely everything. Whenever I was sick as a child, I had this dream where there are a bunch of squares. In the middle there is a face that shakes his head as saying no but does it in a calm way. At the same time, there are other faces behind me and next to me that seem to be arguing with the face in the middle. As the picture closes in, the sounds of the other faces seem to get louder but the sounds are from my family who seem to be talking. When it reaches the maximum spot, it resets and repeats it all over again. Idk why this happens but I am glad that I wasn't the only one with this type of dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thesuperjank Posted January 1, 2019 #13 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I used to get strep throat every year in November (kinda weird) when I was a child, but one time I got strep and scarlet fever... That’s when I first had the dream. It was a horizontal plane, but it was blue and sketchy, is very similar to the game ragdoll cannon (I don’t know why, but I played this game, and basically had PTSD to the dream. There was a grid in the background, and stacks of blocks with balanced planks and balls. The balls would all fall from where they were balanced, and begins growing and shrinking, I also would get this terrible fuzzy feeling that I could almost taste. Then it would restart, but all the shapes would be layed out different. Thankfully I don’t get sick yearly like that anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michy Posted January 25, 2019 #14 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Me and 2 of my friends had this strange dream when we were kids too! Same with their experience, the only thing that I could remember is that I can see a small ball or circle which grows or rolling near then shrinks and grows again. Repeatedly, this caused me fear and I hate the feeling! Every next day I woke up after having this dream, my parents would tell me what I just did which I could not remember. What's creepy was that whenever this happens, according to them, I used to stand up like I am awake or conscious. They also told me that I kept on crying and I act like I was being possessed and like I hate everyone around me. No good though. Since this usually happens to me during my childhood, they never allowed me to sleep over others house. Thank God, I am alright now or else I will just freak my partner and decide to file for annulment for having a creepy wife! Thanks for sharing your stories! At least we can now stop thinking that this happened only to us and we were destined to meet each other to know that we have special powers and missions to do to save the world. Haha Edited January 25, 2019 by michy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstarer Posted March 25 #15 Share Posted March 25 I found this post several years ago and I finally worked up the nerve to contribute. Long story short, these experiences are all very similar to mine, and I think I might have some idea as to what. I have a psych degree, though I'm not an expert in any way, so of course take my conclusions with a grain of salt. I experienced these dreams whenever I would have fevers as a child, and they would always go the same way. It was a large black void, and it was like I was being pulled on a theme park attraction from one place to another. There was a sharp sting in my head that would slowly increase in severity and when it would increase to its worst, it was incredibly painful and would almost make thinking impossible for a few moments. Then it would be normal again. As I got older, I stopped having these experiences, like some people here said. But instead what replaced them were waking psychotic episodes. For the uninitiated, psychosis is pretty common in people, and pretty much anything can cause it. Too little sleep, withdrawl, sensory deprivation, it really is a normal experience. The same rhythm that I experienced in my dreams back then I experience now in those waking episodes. I usually experience them in the middle of the night, just like with the dreams. And I've never had a psychotic episode without having a fever, nor a dream like the ones we've discussed. The sensation is the same, that piercing feeling in my head that slowly gets worse until I can barely think. TL;DR, in my unprofessional opinion, I think these dreams were actually psychosis that some or all of us experienced from overheating from a fever while asleep. I don't experience these symptoms unless I have a fever, and I can't help but feel that the two things are related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bed of chaos Posted April 26 #16 Share Posted April 26 (edited) On 4/27/2015 at 2:45 PM, She-ra said: Be careful with Melatonin. I know it's natural and I understand the typical tablet is only 2 to 3mg but it is a hormone and you need to be careful before putting anything in your mouth without researching it first. This is especially true for kids and teens and their hormone issues. Research any sort of pill before you randomly take it Agreed. I took it a few days and it made me sick (headache & stomach ache). Not for everyone. Edited April 26 by Bed of chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ell Posted April 28 #17 Share Posted April 28 On 4/27/2015 at 2:42 AM, sljoza said: There is an open and empty space, but horisontal plane that is a surface with some small shapes that may appear to be grass or some sort (cannot point a finger to what it is but I think it sould represent something SMALL and not-dangerous) as it all seems endless and quite peacefull at this point. I have a similar imagery from when I 'died' at age nine; well, two parts of my mind were deactivated due to a traumatic event. It was a devastating experience and I have always interpreted it as death. One of those parts was me-soul; the other part was me-I. Afterwards I visualized an infinite endless plain of heather, nearly all the leaves of which had turned black and dead and shriveled. Many decades later I realized that this plain represented me-soul and that the heather plants represented my neurons; i.e. the neurons that constituted me-soul. These particular neurons have ever since been non-functional, though I notice a slight improvement each decade. You becoming aware of your neurons is not something to worry about, in my opinion. It simply indicates that you are very ill. It only becomes an issue if they 'die' and apparently so far they haven't. Stay away from physicians: they are dangerous incompetents who have no idea what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted April 29 #18 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ell said: Stay away from physicians: they are dangerous incompetents who have no idea what they are doing. And you are delusional. Btw...this post is 9 years old. April 26, 2015 in Metaphysics and Psychic Phenomena Edited April 29 by joc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted April 29 #19 Share Posted April 29 23 minutes ago, joc said: And you are delusional. Btw...this post is 9 years old. April 26, 2015 in Metaphysics and Psychic Phenomena No joke!... Damn when I started reading and saw She-ra and WCF mid convo... We must be in a time warp Joc...it's the only explanation! 😵💫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted April 29 #20 Share Posted April 29 2 hours ago, CrimsonKing said: No joke!... Damn when I started reading and saw She-ra and WCF mid convo... We must be in a time warp Joc...it's the only explanation! 😵💫 I know right! I saw She-ra and clicked on her avatar...hasn't been on here since 2018. Time warp! or Wormhole! Maybe we got sucked into a wormhole...yeah...that's the ticket! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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