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Women losing ability to give birth naturally

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It may seem an inevitable part of the cycle of life, but according to a leading obstetrician, women are at risk of losing the ability to give birth naturally.

French doctor Michel Odent has suggested women risk being unable to give birth naturally or even breastfeed their babies in the future because of modern aids.

http://www.telegraph...-naturally.html

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freetoroam

But evolution will erase physiological functions that are underused, said Odent, warning that future generations of women may not produce it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11627072/Women-risk-losing-ability-to-give-birth-naturally.html

I do not think it a case of not produce it, I think it more they will not use it. like many of our natural instincts, many are not used today but if crunch came to crunch, deep down they are there. At the end of the day if women can give birth easier and less painful, whats the problem? as long as mother and child are healthy.

In the foreword to Gambotto-Burke's book, Odent controversially suggested that midwives should sit quietly in the corner of a darkened labour room, knitting. This, he argued, would calm the mother-to-be, enabling her body to produce the natural hormones needed to give birth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11627072/Women-risk-losing-ability-to-give-birth-naturally.html

KNITTING? I want to see him giving birth while the midwife sits there knitting.....then he can come back to us with those results.

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MeOnlyMe

I remember reading that the Hopi Tribe in the southern United States believed that gods ultimate purpose for us was the advancement of civilization and the evolution of the human race.

Im growing more curious everyday.

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Leonardo

It may seem an inevitable part of the cycle of life, but according to a leading obstetrician, women are at risk of losing the ability to give birth naturally.

French doctor Michel Odent has suggested women risk being unable to give birth naturally or even breastfeed their babies in the future because of modern aids.

http://www.telegraph...-naturally.html

Someone should remind Dr Odent that probably the majority of the world's women do not have access to the services of an obstetrician, nor access to 'modern medical birthing aids'.

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Michelle

That's odd. My area has seen a trend recently of women having natural childbirth in their own homes. They aren't poor, by any means, and of course this is after they have gotten all of the pre-natal care. A friend of mine just had her third at home.

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bubblykiss

Does this mean we can finally expand our CC to 200-300% of its current amount, which is only restricted by the narrowness of the birthing canal?

Or will the hyper inflated brains cause the rest of the body to atrophy into a shivered waste of quivering greyish mess with little or no muscle mass?

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Ashotep

He's alarmed about the rise in C sections. Would he be less alarmed if they died in child birth?

Back before modern medicine many women died in child birth just because they couldn't give birth naturally or of course infection. Now their lives are being saved and possibly they are passing on the inability to give birth naturally.

Easy for him to say that the midwife should just sit in a corner since there is no chance of him ever giving birth.

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KariW

Someone should remind Dr Odent that probably the majority of the world's women do not have access to the services of an obstetrician, nor access to 'modern medical birthing aids'.

A Very Good Point, Leonardo! :tu:

I personally can't see where his observations supports his conclusion, at this point.

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Michelle

Coming straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak, an obstetrician told me the reason for most c-sections is because doctors don't want to spend untold hours with the women in labor. It's quicker to do a c-section and actually costs more.

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KariW

He's alarmed about the rise in C sections. Would he be less alarmed if they died in child birth?

Back before modern medicine many women died in child birth just because they couldn't give birth naturally or of course infection. Now their lives are being saved and possibly they are passing on the inability to give birth naturally.

Easy for him to say that the midwife should just sit in a corner since there is no chance of him ever giving birth.

Very good point, Ashotep. I got to thinking about how women with small birth canal diameters, might pass the trait on to future generations.
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freetoroam

Easy for him to say that the midwife should just sit in a corner since there is no chance of him ever giving birth.

Not now he is 84. giggle.gif

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rogue wave

It's not about evolution. After decades of doctors demanding women give birth in hospitals, tied up to all these machines and give drugs to speed up labor to free up more beds, women are stressed and not trusted to be able to give birth on their own. Midwives are essential to home births and there's not enough to go around. Doctors will scare women out of home births saying it puts the baby at risk. Hospitals, also, make the mistake of making women lie down. It's actually quicker, less painful and safer for a pregnant woman to sit or squat. There are birthing chairs to help with that, some women find it's more comfortable in water. But hospitals don't offer those options. Then when the doctors and nurses find the labor is going too long or too tough then they decide to operate. Some women do ask for those options, and that's their choice.

The argument that women and babies aren't dying during child birth anymore falls flat with me. Whether it's at home, birthing centre or hospital there is always that risk and it does happen in the hospital.

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Waziya Sioux

you dont tamper with nature.

People rely on technology too much these days.

stay with the natural ways . Soon people can put a pill

in water stir instant baby . My people doesn't rely on

crap like modern aids. Childbirth was just getting into water

and having the baby, or getting off your horse bend over

a low hanging tree branch have the baby climb back

on the horse and on your way.

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freetoroam

you dont tamper with nature.

People rely on technology too much these days.

stay with the natural ways . Soon people can put a pill

in water stir instant baby . My people doesn't rely on

crap like modern aids. Childbirth was just getting into water

and having the baby, or getting off your horse bend over

a low hanging tree branch have the baby climb back

on the horse and on your way.

Hi, sorry but modern medicines have done wonders for many. As pointed out by Ashotep, it has helped many women and saved many lives.

In the modern towns it is not that easy to get off your horse and give birth.....times and society have moved on. But I must google horses, low hanging branches and giving birth in England.....see what it brings up........

Well, it mentions delivery, but nothing to do with a child.

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Waziya Sioux

you have your opinions I have mine .

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freetoroam

you have your opinions I have mine .

Yep, and you have your horses and we have our hospitals.

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aquatus1

There is no doubt that medical advances have greatly increased the chances of a successful birth and the subsequent survival of both mother and child. One can read many accounts of how childbirth was once a harrowing ordeal for the entire family, with everyone in attendance simply because there was no guarantee that either mother or child would be alive at the end of it.

Granted, many medical methods are being reviewed for usefulness, such as the stirrup position having been shown to have no purpose beyond making it easier for the doctor, though slightly less comfortable for the mother, and yes, more than one doctor has given a c-section mostly out of convenience, however as often as not, it was the patients choice as well. After 9 months, more than one woman is going to a bit impatient to be done with the whole thing.

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Lilly

Generally speaking C-sections are only done for medical reasons (not expediency). Having surgery isn't without risk but it can save lives when complications arise.

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Nnicolette

I didnt have a midwife and the hospital assigned some random lady to come in an harrass me with a wall of questions everytime i had a contraction and keep putting her hands on me like her presence wasnt stressful enough because they thought it made up for my exhusband being a loser n not showing up. Please tell me how what someone else is doing in the room has any relation to evolution. I would have prefferred the b**** knitting something quietly.

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Rlyeh

you dont tamper with nature.

People rely on technology too much these days.

stay with the natural ways . Soon people can put a pill

in water stir instant baby . My people doesn't rely on

crap like modern aids. Childbirth was just getting into water

and having the baby, or getting off your horse bend over

a low hanging tree branch have the baby climb back

on the horse and on your way.

That's right. More people need to die from preventable complications.

Where is your horse? Your picture shows you sitting in a car.

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aquatus1

Generally speaking C-sections are only done for medical reasons (not expediency).

That's...how it should be...

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Nnicolette

I have to laugh when natives like to say they live as thier people before them... with casino checks grocery stores alcohol cars houses and all. So im curious i mean being a male you surely havent done it yourself, but were you born in the woods and carried home to a buckskin teepee on a horse? Somehow i doubt the liklihood of your claims.

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Likely Guy

Well, here's an anecdote. My grandmother midwived over 60 babies between the early 1930's and late 1940's in rural Saskatchewan. She even coached my grandfather through two of her own births.

She never lost one.

Edit to add: There was no 'doctor' where she lived. She also set bones and had a great source of remedies.

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Waziya Sioux

I was serious about child birth the natural way people do rely on

technology a little too much. I am sure it's necessary at times.

I have noticed people joking around in most of the post. I was

joking about the horse. My gawd so quick to judge !

My reservation has no Casino , I was only joking about what I said about birthing. but my ancestors did

live that way. I cannot believe how people take things so serious. No need to cut down my heritage

or my people. Educate before judging please. I am from the 2nd poorest Rez .

We had our land taken and thrown on land that had nothing worth living on but my ancestors

did the best they could to survive .

I have heard people judge all my life, and for the Casino's from what I have heard by the time

the money is divided up a native is lucky to get $ 40.00 . Educate instead of spewing out things

you know nothing about . . And yes I have lived hard I was helping support my family at age 14 up .

what were you doing at age 14 ? I forgive your ignorance and I forgive you for judging me and my people.

On my Rez you are lucky to live to be 45 years old . only 20 percent of the people on my Rez can get a job.

And the meat that in the grocery stores is half rotten because thats what the government allows to be sent to the stores.

I feel so sorry for people who judge Native American's or anyone else for that matter. I have tried my best

to not be angry , and I will not allow my heart to get angry . I wish the best for you I really do

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Nnicolette

I forgive your ignorance as well. But i do apologize if you didn't read the actual words for i am not cutting down or judging your people. Only the ignorant people who complain about the technology they use. Nobody is forcing you to live off of the government and i find it unlikely that only indians are forced to buy rotten "goverment distributed meAT" also i may be biased growing up in am area whete natives are the majority n watching countless people with 1/32 native heritage recieve checks upwards of $30,000 and spend it within a year on drugs and alcohol living modern lives and claiming it relates to the way thier ancestors lived. Clearly i am not speaking of all natives poorly when i say its wrong to claim that you are living as your ancestors did. Nobody is forcing you to use technology or rely on other people to feed you. I hunted and fished since age 8 and i garden extensively, why arent you capable of the same?

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