+DieChecker Posted March 26, 2016 #2751 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Yeah, Trump doesnt want to 'tightly control' Muslims at all. He just wants to register all Muslim US nationals in a giant database, put surveillance on all US Mosques. I think his idea to murder the families of terrorists is refreshingly practical. Also, the Trump doesnt lie, only Hillary does (and all the other 'not the Trump' candidates). Jesus. I'd be surprised in most Muslims in the US are not already on a list, and that their mosques were not under surveillance already. I'm sure Trump lies... everyone does... especially politicians. But Hillary is in a WHOLE OTHER LEAGUE. She doesn't even try to defend her lies, she just laughs it off and then assures us that the person who caught her in a lie is a Conspiricist, a puppet of the Conspiricists, or just an idiot. Even when there is a pile of evidence she lied. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 26, 2016 #2752 Share Posted March 26, 2016 I'd be surprised in most Muslims in the US are not already on a list, and that their mosques were not under surveillance already. I'm sure Trump lies... everyone does... especially politicians. But Hillary is in a WHOLE OTHER LEAGUE. She doesn't even try to defend her lies, she just laughs it off and then assures us that the person who caught her in a lie is a Conspiricist, a puppet of the Conspiricists, or just an idiot. Even when there is a pile of evidence she lied. Exactly. All the time people spend explaining in great detail how Trump is a fascist, they're completely letting Clinton get away with her masquerade of being "reasonable" and not indulging in bickering like the GOP, so people will think that she's much more polite and reasonable and a much nicer choice. When inside she's the real fascist, without a shadow of a doubt. The amount of attacks on Trump here is absolutely disproportionate compared to the number of attacks on Clinton. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted March 26, 2016 #2753 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Yes, yes.... We all know by now that no candidate is good enough for Yamato. Not even Yamato could be good enough for Yamato. That's not even close to correct. As I've said and you guys apparently missed, I'd vote for neocon Kasich over Clinton, socialist Sanders over Clinton, libertarian Johnson over Clinton, and independent Ventura over Clinton. All good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted March 26, 2016 #2754 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Nevermind reality, that the only Trump steak Donald Trump could produce on a table today is one that was sitting in a freezer for the past nine years, but more than lying to ignorant voters who couldn't care less they're being lied to, why did his business fail nine years ago? Using an electronics/gadget company with retail outlets at the mall to sell meat, yeah there's a real deal maker for yas. "We literally sold almost no steaks" said Jerry Levin, CEO of The Sharper Image. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted March 27, 2016 #2755 Share Posted March 27, 2016 .Why do you always single out Trump, and let Rubio and Cruz and their pathetic little digs off the hook? Are you so terrified of Trump that you're willing to let everyone else behave as childishly as they like? Um, 'cuz Trump is the front runner, who also acts the most child like? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted March 27, 2016 #2756 Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) I'd be surprised in most Muslims in the US are not already on a list, and that their mosques were not under surveillance already. I'm sure Trump lies... everyone does... especially politicians. But Hillary is in a WHOLE OTHER LEAGUE. She doesn't even try to defend her lies, she just laughs it off and then assures us that the person who caught her in a lie is a Conspiricist, a puppet of the Conspiricists, or just an idiot. Even when there is a pile of evidence she lied. Dude, how can you defend lies?! "Oh yeah, you caught me lying there, but 'twas necessary because.. well.. see I need to bullsh*t you people to get elected. Sure you'll understand." Apologies, but what - the - hell is wrong with you people? You're behaving like a smitten schoolgirl defending the loverboy who's pimping her out on a regular basis. Like fans who cannot see any wrong in their idol, rationalising all their idols actions - no matter how ridiculous/scandalous they are. Trump is continually caught producing a big pile of BS (check all the 'factchecker' numbers), no one even comes close.. now or in history (!!). And still you use this (non-) argument to rationalise your fan(atic) behaviour towards this individual, your 'champion', your 'team'. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Edit: the fact you have come to accept politicians lying as a given, as something inherent to the political process.. indicates the level of irrational, crazy that has settled firmly in the core of the US constituency. How can you trust someone who has lied to you to govern your nation. Any rational individual would not accept it, you do dont seem to care. It is because of this fact that you yourselves are one of the main factors that is destroying your nation. You are fanboys cheering on your lying idols, begging to be treated like idiots / lied to, instead of independent thinking, critical politcally engaged individuals who will call anyone on their BS, and rout them out. Sir, again; you will get what you deserve. And with this performance, this attitude, you deserve very, very little. Edited March 27, 2016 by Phaeton80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 27, 2016 #2757 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Dude, how can you defend lies?! "Oh yeah, you caught me lying there, but 'twas necessary because.. well.. see I need to bullsh*t you people to get elected. Sure you'll understand." Apologies, but what - the - hell is wrong with you people? You're behaving like a smitten schoolgirl defending the loverboy who's pimping her out on a regular basis. Like fans who cannot see any wrong in their idol, rationalising all their idols actions - no matter how ridiculous/scandalous they are. Trump is continually caught producing a big pile of BS (check all the 'factchecker' numbers), no one even comes close.. now or in history (!!). And still you use this (non-) argument to rationalise your fan(atic) behaviour towards this individual, your 'champion', your 'team'. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Edit: the fact you have come to accept politicians lying as a given, as something inherent to the political process.. indicates the level of irrational, crazy that has settled firmly in the core of the US constituency. How can you trust someone who has lied to you to govern your nation. Any rational individual would not accept it, you do dont seem to care. It is because of this fact that you yourselves are one of the main factors that is destroying your nation. You are fanboys cheering on your lying idols, begging to be treated like idiots / lied to, instead of independent thinking, critical politcally engaged individuals who will call anyone on their BS, and rout them out. Sir, again; you will get what you deserve. And with this performance, this attitude, you deserve very, very little. One could ask why you're so concerned, nay, obsessed about D. Trump and the possibility of him coming to power, but you never ever even mention H. Clinton, fare less even mildly criticize her, and even less ever attack her the way you endlessly do about Mr. Trump. That little outburst didn't answer one the points made in the post you quoted about why people would prefer Trump to Clinton. do you deny any of the things said about Clitnon, or do you just not care? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 27, 2016 #2758 Share Posted March 27, 2016 One could ask why you're so concerned, nay, obsessed about D. Trump and the possibility of him coming to power, but you never ever even mention H. Clinton, fare less even mildly criticize her, and even less ever attack her the way you endlessly do about Mr. Trump. That little outburst didn't answer one the points made in the post you quoted about why people would prefer Trump to Clinton. do you deny any of the things said about Clitnon, or do you just not care? Dude you and all Americans have to stop playing this childish game. As a society we have morphed into a group who stands for nothing, except the party label. As long as a candidate is "our guy" he can do whatever he wants. When faced with our candidates' corruption, lies, failures etc the default has become to say "well the other guy is worse". Its time to grow up, awaken to the fact that you're being scammed . Awaken to the fact that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are friends with the exact same political viewpoints. They don't hate each other, they hate you, and theyve convinced you that you should hate the other side of the aisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 27, 2016 #2759 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Ah i see. Well, thank you for explaining it. So you see the Trump as more of a danger than the Clinton, then? You aren't particularly bothered about the Clinton, because the Trump is so much more evil and menacing, even though, as you've just explained, they're actually just the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 27, 2016 #2760 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Ah i see. Well, thank you for explaining it. So you see the Trump as more of a danger than the Clinton, then? You aren't particularly bothered about the Clinton, because the Trump is so much more evil and menacing, even though, as you've just explained, they're actually just the same? Yeah I do believe they are the same. It is the demographic that trump speaks to that is the real danger. I fear them feeling empowered by his election and when angry and ignorant people feel empowered in a society generally bad things happen. Dont get me wrong, Hillary's an evil biatch who will do their masters' bidding just as trump would, I think deep down though I have some hope that Trump supporters can see the light while anyone supporting Hillary is a lost cause (in terms of having these types of conversations) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted March 28, 2016 #2761 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Could the GOP bring in General "Mad Dog" Mattis to stop Trump? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/26/this-man-can-save-us-from-trump-and-clinton.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted March 28, 2016 #2762 Share Posted March 28, 2016 One could ask why you're so concerned, nay, obsessed about D. Trump and the possibility of him coming to power, but you never ever even mention H. Clinton, fare less even mildly criticize her, and even less ever attack her the way you endlessly do about Mr. Trump. That little outburst didn't answer one the points made in the post you quoted about why people would prefer Trump to Clinton. do you deny any of the things said about Clitnon, or do you just not care? Thats exactly right, I dont care about 'Clitnon'. And please stop circumventing all the extremely concrete and factual critique on 'mr. Trump' by structurally invoking the Clinton woman, high witch of the West. This thread is about Drumpf, not Clitnon. And for the hundreth time; I dispize Clinton, do not misinterpret my position on Drumpf equating support for Clinton (which is a wondrous conclusion to begin with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted March 28, 2016 #2763 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Could the GOP bring in General "Mad Dog" Mattis to stop Trump? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/26/this-man-can-save-us-from-trump-and-clinton.html Him I like. He can lead, he can follow, he can argue and he can order. But can he play the Game? Operating within the political arena is an utterly different thing to operating within a chain of command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 28, 2016 #2764 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Thats exactly right, I dont care about 'Clitnon'. And please stop circumventing all the extremely concrete and factual critique on 'mr. Trump' by structurally invoking the Clinton woman, high witch of the West. This thread is about Drumpf, not Clitnon. And for the hundreth time; I dispize Clinton, do not misinterpret my position on Drumpf equating support for Clinton (which is a wondrous conclusion to begin with). But if you despise her, but at the same time don't care about her, that seems (a) illogical, and ( b ) frankly rather foolish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted April 1, 2016 #2765 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) Dude, how can you defend lies?! "Oh yeah, you caught me lying there, but 'twas necessary because.. well.. see I need to bullsh*t you people to get elected. Sure you'll understand." Apologies, but what - the - hell is wrong with you people? You're behaving like a smitten schoolgirl defending the loverboy who's pimping her out on a regular basis. Like fans who cannot see any wrong in their idol, rationalising all their idols actions - no matter how ridiculous/scandalous they are. Trump is continually caught producing a big pile of BS (check all the 'factchecker' numbers), no one even comes close.. now or in history (!!). And still you use this (non-) argument to rationalise your fan(atic) behaviour towards this individual, your 'champion', your 'team'. Unbelievable, unbelievable. Edit: the fact you have come to accept politicians lying as a given, as something inherent to the political process.. indicates the level of irrational, crazy that has settled firmly in the core of the US constituency. How can you trust someone who has lied to you to govern your nation. Any rational individual would not accept it, you do dont seem to care. It is because of this fact that you yourselves are one of the main factors that is destroying your nation. You are fanboys cheering on your lying idols, begging to be treated like idiots / lied to, instead of independent thinking, critical politcally engaged individuals who will call anyone on their BS, and rout them out. Sir, again; you will get what you deserve. And with this performance, this attitude, you deserve very, very little. So........................ Point me to the person who is running for US President who has never lied (and who isn't a complete and total communist.... Because I don't want to vote for a communist) and I'll vote for them. Hell, go find me anyone in the US Congress, or a State Governor, who hasn't lied about something at some point.... Go ahead... find one. This is a political reality. You appear to be completely socially naive or something. Edited April 1, 2016 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted April 1, 2016 #2766 Share Posted April 1, 2016 But if you despise her, but at the same time don't care about her, that seems (a) illogical, and ( b ) frankly rather foolish. It isn't even that Hillary is a liar, but how she deals with the lies she is caught in. Trump owns his lies and tries (unsuccessfully for the most part) to make them into a positive. Hillary just cackles and handwaves away any attempt to bring her to own her lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 1, 2016 #2767 Share Posted April 1, 2016 But if you despise her, but at the same time don't care about her, that seems (a) illogical, and ( b ) frankly rather foolish. You're doing the same thing to him that you're doing to me. Criticism of Donald Trump is a straight line to Hillary Clinton. Why is that? Did you miss 17 of my posts on the Let's Talk about Bernie thread? 10 in the Jesse Ventura thread? Maybe I wasn't loud and obnoxious enough about Rand Paul...valid criticism of Donald Trump has absolutely nothing to do with cackling Hillary's Qaddafi video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 1, 2016 #2768 Share Posted April 1, 2016 You're doing the same thing to him that you're doing to me. Criticism of Donald Trump is a straight line to Hillary Clinton. Why is that? Did you miss 17 of my posts on the Let's Talk about Bernie thread? 10 in the Jesse Ventura thread? Maybe I wasn't loud and obnoxious enough about Rand Paul...valid criticism of Donald Trump has absolutely nothing to do with cackling Hillary's Qaddafi video. none of the others matter though. If Cruz was to be selected, that'd give the election on a plate to the Clinton, since obviously there's no way Bernie is going to be selected over her. The Trump is the only one of any importance. (Sorry Bernie.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted April 1, 2016 #2769 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) It is hard to say in these "head to head" polls, since they really seem to be all over the place. RealClearPolitics shows K-Sick beating Hillary handily and almost beating Bernie. While Cruz and Trump are shown to lose to Hillary and Bernie in almost every poll. http://www.realclear...inton-5162.html Which really confuses me. Not that Cruz or Trump would be losing, but that Kasich could do THAT WELL, after the drubbing he's had over the primary cycle. Edited April 1, 2016 by DieChecker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vDominai Posted April 1, 2016 #2770 Share Posted April 1, 2016 A slimy theocrat, a narcissist dictator, a soulless pawn of establishment and a spooky socialist walk into a bar... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted April 1, 2016 #2771 Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) But if you despise her, but at the same time don't care about her, that seems (a) illogical, and ( b ) frankly rather foolish. Wtf. The fact you are lamenting me talking about Trump on a thread dedicated to the 'Trump 2016 pres election' seems A] illogical and B] rather ****ing foolish. Now again, stop diverting the discussion towards Hillary and respond to the very concrete points of critiqure forwarded against Trump for a change. So........................ Point me to the person who is running for US President who has never lied (and who isn't a complete and total communist.... Because I don't want to vote for a communist) and I'll vote for them. Hell, go find me anyone in the US Congress, or a State Governor, who hasn't lied about something at some point.... Go ahead... find one. This is a political reality. You appear to be completely socially naive or something. Yessir, Im socially naive in pointing out the sheer stupidity of accepting your candidates / representatives lying to you on a structural basis, to subsequently feel dismayed if and when such a person doesnt follow up on the promises made during election time. "Oh but see everybody lies in our government, so we accept it, ignore it, 'its just political reality'. With an attitude like that you dont have a chance in hell to change one iota of the present status quo, and deserve everything you're going to get. Edited April 1, 2016 by Phaeton80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted April 1, 2016 #2772 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Could the GOP bring in General "Mad Dog" Mattis to stop Trump? http://www.thedailyb...nd-clinton.html You seem to think that the GOP has somehow "brought in" Donald Trump as if he was invited to participate in the primaries. Why do you think this when by all reports the GOP dislikes Donald Trump even more than the DNC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 1, 2016 #2773 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Yessir, Im socially naive in pointing out the sheer stupidity of accepting your candidates / representatives lying to you on a structural basis, to subsequently feel dismayed if and when such a person doesnt follow up on the promises made during election time. "Oh but see everybody lies in our government, so we accept it, ignore it, 'its just political reality'. With an attitude like that you dont have a chance in hell to change one iota of the present status quo, and deserve everything you're going to get. Can I presume you never vote on principle then, in any election in the Netherlands or the EU?Or are you going to tell me that those are uniformly honest and genuinely want only the best for their people. Go on, please tell me that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted April 1, 2016 #2774 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Can I presume you never vote on principle then, in any election in the Netherlands or the EU? Or are you going to tell me that those are uniformly honest and genuinely want only the best for their people. Go on, please tell me that. I vote void, thats exactly right. I take that little form, do absolutely nothing to it, and dump it in the box. A vote of non- confidence. Which is the only logical action if you have - no confidence - in either of the running parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted April 1, 2016 #2775 Share Posted April 1, 2016 I vote void, thats exactly right. I take that little form, do absolutely nothing to it, and dump it in the box. A vote of non- confidence. Which is the only logical action if you have - no confidence - in either of the running parties. Hanging chad! Hanging chad! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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