Donald Trump Enters 2016 Presidential Race

[Yamato]

He totally charmed the crowd, and probably 100% of his supporters here. He probably just said the same bs to AIPAC that he told Adelson. If he could charm Adelson, charming the little Izbots is gonna be easy. And it was.

But what he said in the speech...jesus. I'm going to start a thread about it if some excitable Zionist doesn't start one first. This is a gift that'll keep on giving. Goes to show why we shouldn't trust people just because we want to trust them.

[+susieice]

I'll have to watch it again, I guess it depends on my expectations. I value your opinion Susie, so I will listen closer this time.

Edit: I just saw your above post.

Thanks for your vote of trust ZZ. What impressed me the most is that, while Kasich and Cruz spoke the words, Trump gave the specifics of the deal, right down to the type of missiles, the exact clauses, and all the ways open to Iran to work around them. He named the time limits at which parts of that deal will expire, and in some cases, it's only a couple of years. Even with the UN. Specifics. He didn't leave a lot of room for speculation. He does have the people to confer with. Cruz is on CNN now talking about how he, as a politician, will do what he says. Where have I heard that before?

Edited March 22, 2016 by susieice

[Likely Guy]

A wise man once warned against this.

"They (the fore fathers) were pillars of the temple of liberty; and now that they have crumbled away that temple must fall unless we, their descendants, supply their places with other pillars, hewn from the solid quarry of sober reason. Passion has helped us, but can do so no more. It will in future be our enemy. Reason — cold, calculating, unimpassioned reason — must furnish all the materials for our future support and defense. Let those materials be molded into general intelligence, sound morality, and, in particular, a reverence for the Constitution and laws; and that we improved to the last, that we remained free to the last, that we revered his name (George Washington) to the last, that during his long sleep we permitted no hostile foot to pass over or desecrate his resting-place, shall be that which to learn the last trump shall awaken our Washington."

- Abraham Lincoln, Young Men's Lyceum Address, Springfield , Illinois, January 27th, 1838.

Okay, this is me getting all conspiracy theory. The last line, "...the last trump shall awaken Washington". Strange choice of words.

Source: http://www.constitut...coln/lyceum.htm

I don't for a second believe that Lincoln had a vision, but he also said in the same address;

"Is it unreasonable, then, to expect that some man possessed of the loftiest genius, coupled with ambition sufficient to push it to its utmost stretch, will at some time spring up among us? And when such an one does, it will require the people to be united with each other, attached to the government and laws, and generally intelligent, to successfully frustrate his designs.

Distinction will be his paramount object, and although he would as willingly, perhaps more so, acquire it by doing good as harm, yet, that opportunity being past, and nothing left to be done in the way of building up, he would set boldly to the task of pulling down."

Edited March 22, 2016 by Likely Guy

[+susieice]

Here is the youtube version too. Go right to 1:09:25. It's really around 1:09:45 on my comp. The best Trumpism in the whole speech, and I love the audience's reaction. It refers to Obama.

Edited March 22, 2016 by susieice

[Merc14]

I hope that we can find a third alternative between a protest vote and the status quo. Neither option is palatable. I don't want Trump to win, but I don't want business-as-usual to continue. My best hope, right now, is that Trump will choose a great running mate!

A pragmatic choice that I think I can buy into. Cruz is off on some kind of quest that is not him and it is a mess

Here is the youtube version too. Go right to 1:09:25. It's really around 1:09:45 on my comp. The best Trumpism in the whole speech, and I love the audience's reaction. It refers to Obama.

I couldn't possibly agree more with a man than that. The UN is the single most corrupt and useless organization on earth and Obama has treated Israel reprehensibly but the democrats despise the Jewish state, which is understandable if you know the history of the democrat party.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Merc14

[acidhead]

A pragmatic choice that I think I can buy into. Cruz is off on some kind of quest that is not him and it is a mess

I couldn't possibly agree more with a man than that. The UN is the single most corrupt and useless organization on earth and Obama has treated Israel reprehensibly but the democrats despise the Jewish state, which is understandable if you know the history of the democrat party.

hmmm.... the vast majority of jews in America vote Democrat

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BTW Trumps walls

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Edited March 22, 2016 by hellwyr

[Merc14]

hmmm.... the vast majority of jews in America vote Democrat

A mystery I have never understood. I worked with the Israelis for years and have massive respect for the entire country and especially their military.

[Likely Guy]

hmmm.... the vast majority of jews in America vote Democrat

The vast majority of Jews are a tiny minority in America.

But this is where A-head should be describing where JEWZ have too much influence.

I beg to differ.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Likely Guy

[Likely Guy]

A mystery I have never understood. I worked with the Israelis for years and have massive respect for the entire country and especially their military.

Ask him about the holocaust.

[acidhead]

A mystery I have never understood. I worked with the Israelis for years and have massive respect for the entire country and especially their military.

If I'm correct the last time the Republicans won the State of New York in the general election was in 1984. Total jews who voted for the Democrats in 2012 was around 69% down from 75% in 2008. The Republicans saw an increase in jewish votes by nearly the same. Perhaps this November New York is much much closer with Trump leading the party.

Edited March 22, 2016 by acidhead

[+susieice]

I don't think anyone can see the risks involved now in the ME and also in Europe better than the Israelis. We are no longer the "arsenal of democracy" that we were in WWII. Way too much of our industry has been sucked right out of us.

[Likely Guy]

If I'm correct the last time the Republicans won the State of New York in the general election was in 1984. Total jews who voted for the Democrats in 2012 was around 69% down from 75% in 2008. The Republicans saw an increase in jewish votes by nearly the same. Perhaps this November New York is much much closer with Trump leading the party.

JEWZ! Your chant is pathetic. How many Jews in the New York over all? And overall how much does America care about New York state?

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[Likely Guy]

I don't think anyone can see the risks involved now in the ME and also in Europe better than the Israelis. We are no longer the "arsenal of democracy" that we were in WWII. Way too much of our industry has been sucked right out of us.

That was seventy years ago and the the rest of the free world gets that. America was the arsenal because America sold, or loaned/leased weapons before Dec. 7, 1941.

Real WW2 started two years before that. America didn't get involved until then. America had an unfettered few years 'freely providing' the arsenal at good expense profit.

Thank God for F.D.R.!

Edited March 22, 2016 by Likely Guy

[+susieice]

New York has a very large population and therefore a very large number of delegates. Tomorrow is the last day of my vacation, but I will be home for the primary tomorrow. Like Paranormal Panther (I hope he doesn't mind the mention) I wasn't a big Trump supporter, but I'm becoming even less of a fan of the other 4 candidates. I just don't know anymore. If given my ruthers, it would probably be Kasich over the other 3, but I'm beginning to understand what the Trump supporters are saying. Scary, I know. Will be watching the returns tomorrow.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/03/21/daily-202-why-donald-trump-will-probably-win-arizona-but-get-crushed-in-utah-tomorrow/56ec0705981b92a22d989190/

[+susieice]

That was seventy years ago and the the rest of the free world gets that. America was the arsenal because America sold, or loaned/leased weapons before Dec. 7, 1941.

Real WW2 started two years before that.

I'm just saying that we had a capacity that's not here anymore.

[Likely Guy]

If you don't mind the time I'd like to share another story about Abe.

"On one occasion—in the campaign of 1840—Lincoln used his skill as a mimic to discomfit a political antagonist. Jesse B. Thomas, in a speech at the courthouse in Springfield, made some sarcastic allusions to the "Long Nine" and particularly to Lincoln; and at the conclusion of his speech, Lincoln replied. "He felt the sting of Thomas' allusions," said Herndon (his biographer), "and for the first time on the stump or in public, resorted to mimicry for effect. In this ... he was without a rival. He imitated Thomas in gesture and voice, at times caricaturing his walk and the very motions of his body. Thomas, like everybody else, had some peculiarities of expression and gesture, and these Lincoln succeeded in rendering more prominent than ever. The crowd yelled and cheered as he continued. Encouraged by the demonstration, the ludicrous features of the speaker's performance gave way to intense and scathing ridicule. Thomas, who was obliged to sit near by and endure the pain of the unique ordeal, was ordinarily sensitive; but the exhibition goaded him to desperation. He ... actually gave way to tears.... The next day it was the talk of the town, and for years afterwards it was called the 'skinning' of Thomas....

I heard him [Lincoln] afterwards say that the recollection of his conduct that evening filled him with the deepest chagrin. He felt that he had gone too far and to rid his good nature of a load, hunted up Thomas and made ample apology." Never again did he go to such lengths in a public address."

By example goes a great man, yet they still not learn.

Edit: Oops, source: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jala/2629860.0003.105/--lincoln-s-humor-an-analysis?rgn=main;view=fulltext

Edited March 22, 2016 by Likely Guy

[Likely Guy]

A wise man once warned against this.

"They (the fore fathers) were pillars of the temple of liberty; and now that they have crumbled away that temple must fall unless we, their descendants, supply their places with other pillars, hewn from the solid quarry of sober reason. Passion has helped us, but can do so no more. It will in future be our enemy. Reason — cold, calculating, unimpassioned reason — must furnish all the materials for our future support and defense. Let those materials be molded into general intelligence, sound morality, and, in particular, a reverence for the Constitution and laws; and that we improved to the last, that we remained free to the last, that we revered his name (George Washington) to the last, that during his long sleep we permitted no hostile foot to pass over or desecrate his resting-place, shall be that which to learn the last trump shall awaken our Washington."

- Abraham Lincoln, Young Men's Lyceum Address, Springfield , Illinois, January 27th, 1838.

Okay, this is me getting all conspiracy theory. The last line, "...the last trump shall awaken Washington". Strange choice of words.

Source: http://www.constitut...coln/lyceum.htm

I don't for a second believe that Lincoln had a vision, but he also said in the same address;

"Is it unreasonable, then, to expect that some man possessed of the loftiest genius, coupled with ambition sufficient to push it to its utmost stretch, will at some time spring up among us? And when such an one does, it will require the people to be united with each other, attached to the government and laws, and generally intelligent, to successfully frustrate his designs.

Distinction will be his paramount object, and although he would as willingly, perhaps more so, acquire it by doing good as harm, yet, that opportunity being past, and nothing left to be done in the way of building up, he would set boldly to the task of pulling down."

I bumped this for context, and for the worthy conversation that it might ellicit.

If no one spits, I'll stick a fork in it.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Likely Guy

[Space Commander Travis]

He totally charmed the crowd, and probably 100% of his supporters here. He probably just said the same bs to AIPAC that he told Adelson. If he could charm Adelson, charming the little Izbots is gonna be easy. And it was.

But what he said in the speech...jesus. I'm going to start a thread about it if some excitable Zionist doesn't start one first. This is a gift that'll keep on giving. Goes to show why we shouldn't trust people just because we want to trust them.

What do you expect him to say? He's hardly going to alienate a constituency that important is he. Maybe he does love Israel, maybe he's just mastering the political art of saying what his audience wants to hear. he's a would-be politician at the end of the day. You're not expecting Hope and Change are you?

[Space Commander Travis]

I don't think anyone can see the risks involved now in the ME and also in Europe better than the Israelis. We are no longer the "arsenal of democracy" that we were in WWII. Way too much of our industry has been sucked right out of us.

Yes, Israel has been so in the forefront of the fight against ISIS and their various associates.

[there nay be a hint of irony here.]

[Space Commander Travis]

I'm just saying that we had a capacity that's not here anymore.

But American military production - or at least the budget allocated to it - is bigger than the next three or four nations combined. And no one can complain that Israel doesn't get the very cream of that technology - they've even been talked into buying 35 F-35s, which perhaps shows how much contempt Pres. O has for them.

[Likely Guy]

What do you expect him to say? He's hardly going to alienate a constituency that important is he. Maybe he does love Israel, maybe he's just mastering the political art of saying what his audience wants to hear. he's a would-be politician at the end of the day. You're not expecting Hope and Change are you?

He LOVES EVERYTHING! He's a manipulator. A panderer to the lowest common denominator.

The scariest thing, is that it's working.

[Space Commander Travis]

He LOVES EVERYTHING! He's a manipulator. A panderer to the lowest common denominator.

The scariest thing, is that it's working.

Like i said, he's a would-be politician. Of course he'll love whoever he's talking to at the time. Like I said, are people really expecting Hope and Change?

[Space Commander Travis]

I'm just saying that we had a capacity that's not here anymore.

Here's a little graph of the US Military budget compared with the next few nations. Does that really look like a lack of capacity?

[Likely Guy]

Like i said, he's a would-be politician. Of course he'll love whoever he's talking to at the time. Like I said, are people really expecting Hope and Change?

No. I really don't understand what faith, if any, people have in him. Obama doesn't matter, he's old tense. Trump is the new tense idiot. He actually speaks at a lower level than young George spoke at. 5th grade rather than sixth grade.

The Idiocracy. I once smiled and passed the concept by. Now I'm growing fearful that this misogynistic xenophobic narcissistic idiot will lead a great nation that I deem as my neighbours, my American cousins.

Edited March 22, 2016 by Likely Guy