Donald Trump Enters 2016 Presidential Race

[Farmer77]

lol, no, not really, do you have any evidence he took loans for campaign?

Re-read my post. Trump is the one loaning his campaign money.

[Merc14]

Technically speaking since Trump is funding his campaign through loans to his campaign, anyone trump is in debt to potentially has a piece of his campaign. (a little nitpicky i know)

Very nitpicky if you ask me and you'd have to prove it but even then, so what.

Government didnt break the health care system. Corporate greed did. But thats probably going a bit too far off topic

The infusion of government money was the single biggest destroyer of healthcare.

Its not a conspiracy theory that Obama wont indict Clinton, it is a conspiracy but its just fact. The oligarchs don't impose real consequences on each other. Oligarchs also don't dismantle each others work so I certainly wouldn't hold my breath that any candidate will turn this nation in a drastically different direction than it is and has been heading in since the 1960's.

People see Trump as outside the system and the system's reaction to him supports that perception, no? There are plenty of inside the belt-way types running so why not support them instead of some roundabout CT that you are trying to twist into Trump getting elected because Obama wants it. I have no idea what a Trump presidency would be like but neither does Obama and his ilk and therein lies the problem with your CT.

[Farmer77]

People see Trump as outside the system and the system's reaction to him supports that perception, no? There are plenty of inside the belt-way types running so why not support them instead of some roundabout CT that you are trying to twist into Trump getting elected because Obama wants it. I have no idea what a Trump presidency would be like but neither does Obama and his ilk and therein lies the problem with your CT.

Again, I think the "system's" panic is manufactured. What better way to make the average conservative middle america voter to rush to the ballot box than to frame Trump as an outsider and a rebel who is fed up? Its a classic professional wrestling tactic.

Your final sentence presumes Obama has any power at all. I don't believe the president does, by the time they get to run for president the candidates have kissed the ring of those in power. The last one who tried to NOT kiss their rings ended up with his brains splattered all over Dallas.

Edited March 24, 2016 by Farmer77

[Merc14]

Again, I think the "system's" panic is manufactured. What better way to make the average conservative middle america voter to rush to the ballot box than to frame Trump as an outsider and a rebel who is fed up? Its a classic professional wrestling tactic.

Your final sentence presumes Obama has any power at all. I don't believe the president does, by the time they get to run for president the candidates have kissed the ring of those in power. The last one who tried to NOT kiss their rings ended up with his brains splattered all over Dallas.

Farmer, you are caught in the death spiral of the avid CT believer which is that you no longer can see anything as reality, everything is a CT or a lie. Look at the above, why would the system want the average conservative middle america voter to rush to the ballot box if they are trying to...... well what do you think they are trying to do? I think Valerie Jarrett pretty much runs the WH but she is just as concerned with the legacy as dopey Obama, after all, we are talking huge money after they leave office if the legacy shows they actually accomplished something rather than destroyed the country (see Carter).

Edited March 24, 2016 by Merc14

[aztek]

well he is right about 1 thing, Kennedy was killed, and it was not moskow.

[Farmer77]

Farmer, you are caught in the death spiral of the avid CT believer which is that you no longer can see anything as reality, everything is a CT or a lie. Look at the above, why would the system want the average conservative middle america voter to rush to the ballot box if they are trying to...... well what do you think they are trying to do? I think Valerie Jarrett pretty much runs the WH but she is just as concerned with the legacy as dopey Obama, after all, we are talking huge money after they leave office if the legacy shows they actually accomplished something rather than destroyed the country (see Carter).

Power and money bro, power and money. post 9/11 Americans shouted at the top of their lungs for the government to A. spend more money on security and B. take their rights away to make them safer. When all is said and done this campaign will have been a 2 year campaign to get americans to do that exact same thing, this time through the ballot box.

[LV-426]

If there was a Zombie Lincoln how many people would vote for him? I bet he'd win as an independent and mop the floors at every debate.

At any time in history America needs a smart leader, like just before the Civil War.

Are we talking Warm Bodies zombie or Day of the Dead zombie?

I think "percentage chance of being eaten" may play a pivotal role alongside political agenda

[Yamato]

Not really the same as mind control is it? I guess you prefer presidents who are poor leaders with terrible public speaking skills like this guy.

I never said "mind control". To answer your question for the 2nd time, no, it's not the same thing, and it has nothing to do with me or what I prefer, it has to do with people who have a very strong sense of being followers and needing "a strong leader" to collectively lead them to utopia.

[Yamato]

He is not a great leader, he is the embodiment of a failed leader, unless of course a little spoiled brat is your definition of strong Also, Id say his followers are to blame, since people like Trump always will exist still it is the choice of the people to pick them or not. Also people should lead themselves and therefore the president should speak on the behave of their will. However Trump follower lack a will..... do u see the vicious circle here

Donald Trump is a lot stronger than his followers. I'd never call them strong to your point, they're natural followers, but he's a lot stronger than they are. I don't need a strong leader to do any of the BS that Trump and Clinton tell us we must do.

The big circle I see ahead is two establishment candidates promising and lying their way through the contest; red and blue sheep all over the place. Ultimately the followers are to blame via their votes for Clinton and Trump. Neither are good enough for this country, not even close.

[Michelle]

I guess Gary Johnson voters are all independent minded individuals and not followers.

[+susieice]

Are we talking Warm Bodies zombie or Day of the Dead zombie?

I think "percentage chance of being eaten" may play a pivotal role alongside political agenda

I see the ratio that you are talking about but what concerns me is that people will accept the number of their countrymen eaten as reasonable collateral damage because this is just the world we live in now. Really, the percentage relies on how many attacks occur per country.

[Yamato]

In what way does he embody a failed leader?

Abandoning every political position he used to believe in to become this oppositional character in the form of a newly minted conservative that's apparently smart enough to BS (ergo "lead") millions of statist followers successfully. I watched Steven Colbert, I understood the character acting there too long before it was admitted to.

With the audible Trump supporters, it's Wonder Twin Powers, Activate! Form of A Conservative! (another statist with right wing spending priorities) Shape of A Republican! (a well-fed arrogant rich white person who thinks they know best how to spend money and punish people).

I've got nothing but contempt for these "conservatives". They couldn't conserve their way out of a wet paper bag. There's no road home to the Democrats, there is only an independent option that triangulates these false issues and meaningless squabbles between D's and R's. The media props all that nonsense up, so I'm all for someone finally attacking the media. The media will need a lot more damage I'm afraid before a third party starts taking 33%. I would prefer beyond mathematical comparison for that damage to be done by someone who isn't a terrible candidate running for President.

[Yamato]

I guess Gary Johnson voters are all independent minded individuals and not followers.

Oh hey that's me. I'll follow no leader at all, so I'll follow a weak leader who doesn't want to run the economy and run the world. How do Trump supporters not want to destroy the rule of law and the economy with these incredibly ****ty and criminal ideas?

[Yamato]

Yes i understand how bankruptcy works. Im simply helping to paint the whole picture. You have no idea how many people ive spoke to who think trump is a self made and successful business man.

I find it surprising that you think a presidental candidate taking money from saudi royalty is a non issue. Maybe it is a non issue but i certainly think in todays climate it is worth exploring ANY links between government officials and islamists.

You do fix a broken system by completely breaking it. The problem is the vast majority of right wing voters dont believe the system was broken before obamacare.

Maybe the theory is easily picked apart and meaningless if you're coming from a biased point of view. Its not a new one however, this was predicted before Obama even took office. Now i gotta find some links dammit.

The Saudis weren't paying him, he got nasty with them, they had to take him seriously so they deposited money into his accounts too, and now Saudi Arabia is getting shout-outs at Donald Trump's AIPAC speech. Donald "they're cutting off heads" Trump.

[Michelle]

Oh hey that's me. I'll follow no leader at all, so I'll follow a weak leader who doesn't want to run the economy and run the world. How do Trump supporters not want to destroy the rule of law and the economy with these incredibly ****ty and criminal ideas?

According to you, anyone who votes is a follower.

You'll have to ask Trump supporter about that.

[+susieice]

I'm feeling more and more like we need a referee.

[LV-426]

I see the ratio that you are talking about but what concerns me is that people will accept the number of their countrymen eaten as reasonable collateral damage because this is just the world we live in now. Really, the percentage relies on how many attacks occur per country.

I think you're one step ahead of me now. I'm allegorically confused

I blame Likely Guy for bringing up zombies!

[Yamato]

According to you, anyone who votes is a follower.

I never said anything like that before. So, I libertarian-salute you!

[Space Commander Travis]

Piece speaking generously and fairly of the Trump from liberal leftie source!

JEFF TAYLOR

Which Presidential Candidate Am I?

[+DieChecker]

We should all be voting for Trump. The other choices are...

Cruz, who wants a police state apparently where Muslims must be tightly controlled, and where carpet bombing is a real suggestion he would follow....

Hillary, who just lies to everyone's face and then laughs it off when called on it. She's also likely to face some kind of Federal Charges from the whole email scandal thing.

Bernie, who wants to make everything free, and tax the rich. Which will basically drive the rest of US industry down to Mexico and push the US into a downward spiraling welfare state. I mean, Italy and Spain have free education and the unemployment among their youth is near 50%.

And what does Trump want to do that is bad. Build a wall? Keep out Mexican criminals? He's not the warmonger Cruz is, or the Liar that Hillary is, or the rainbow glasses Socialist that Bernie is, so I'm thinking I'll end up voting Trump.

After all, everyone says that regardless of who wins, very little will ever get done. Just look at Obama... What's he really done? Not much. ACA is a flipping disaster sliding downhill quickly, so I don't consider that a win on his part just yet.

Trump, Trump, Trump.... :w00t:

Edited March 25, 2016 by DieChecker

[+susieice]

Cruz may not be all that after all.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/25/1506093/-National-Enquirer-Reporting-Multiple-Affairs-by-Ted-Cruz?detail=facebook

Personally, I think Trump's daughter is stronger than Cruz. To the boardroom pal!!

[Deleted]

We should all be voting for Trump. The other choices are...

Cruz, who wants a police state apparently where Muslims must be tightly controlled, and where carpet bombing is a real suggestion he would follow....

Hillary, who just lies to everyone's face and then laughs it off when called on it. She's also likely to face some kind of Federal Charges from the whole email scandal thing.

Bernie, who wants to make everything free, and tax the rich. Which will basically drive the rest of US industry down to Mexico and push the US into a downward spiraling welfare state. I mean, Italy and Spain have free education and the unemployment among their youth is near 50%.

And what does Trump want to do that is bad. Build a wall? Keep out Mexican criminals? He's not the warmonger Cruz is, or the Liar that Hillary is, or the rainbow glasses Socialist that Bernie is, so I'm thinking I'll end up voting Trump.

After all, everyone says that regardless of who wins, very little will ever get done. Just look at Obama... What's he really done? Not much. ACA is a flipping disaster sliding downhill quickly, so I don't consider that a win on his part just yet.

Trump, Trump, Trump.... :w00t:

yeah Trump rather starts a war with Iran, Russia and China

trump builts a wall where you can just buy a leather and climb over and which costs over 2o Billion without maintance

trump blames illegal criminals while the statistics say they are less criminal than the ordaniray American and over 50 % percent of the illegals enter with a visa anyway

Trump disrespects every human beeing and treates them like ****, (of Course also the nature), he is ratholrical a five year old. (though I don't want to insut 5 years old kids, I say he is rathorical a 5 year old cartman)

Edited March 25, 2016 by hellwyr

[Merc14]

yeah Trump rather starts a war with Iran, Russia and China

trump builts a wall where you can just buy a leather and climb over and which costs over 2o Billion without maintance

trump blames illegal criminals while the statistics say they are less criminal than the ordaniray American and over 50 % percent of the illegals enter with a visa anyway

Trump disrespects every human beeing and treates them like ****, (of Course also the nature), he is ratholrical a five year old. (though I don't want to insut 5 years, I say he is rathorical a 5 year cartman)

Nothing you said here is remotely true or is just plain stupid like illegals entering with a visa! If they have a visa they aren't illegal! LMAO. Good lord what kind of school spit you out? I am assuming English isn't your first language so are you even a US citizen and if not why do you care?

Edited March 25, 2016 by Merc14

[Phaeton80]

We should all be voting for Trump. The other choices are...

Cruz, who wants a police state apparently where Muslims must be tightly controlled, and where carpet bombing is a real suggestion he would follow....

Hillary, who just lies to everyone's face and then laughs it off when called on it. She's also likely to face some kind of Federal Charges from the whole email scandal thing.

Bernie, who wants to make everything free, and tax the rich. Which will basically drive the rest of US industry down to Mexico and push the US into a downward spiraling welfare state. I mean, Italy and Spain have free education and the unemployment among their youth is near 50%.

And what does Trump want to do that is bad. Build a wall? Keep out Mexican criminals? He's not the warmonger Cruz is, or the Liar that Hillary is, or the rainbow glasses Socialist that Bernie is, so I'm thinking I'll end up voting Trump.

After all, everyone says that regardless of who wins, very little will ever get done. Just look at Obama... What's he really done? Not much. ACA is a flipping disaster sliding downhill quickly, so I don't consider that a win on his part just yet.

Trump, Trump, Trump.... :w00t:

Yeah, Trump doesnt want to 'tightly control' Muslims at all. He just wants to register all Muslim US nationals in a giant database, put surveillance on all US Mosques. I think his idea to murder the families of terrorists is refreshingly practical. Also, the Trump doesnt lie, only Hillary does (and all the other 'not the Trump' candidates).

Jesus.

[Deleted]

o did your consipiracy righz

Nothing you said here is remotely true. Where do you get your facts from, Mother Jones? I am assuming English isn't your first language so are you even a US citizen?

o yeah then provide me with data from a reliable scientific source (and nope I do not mean from your right-wing alternative conspiracy propaganda webpages)

I am from Pluto

Edited March 25, 2016 by hellwyr