Iron_Lotus Posted July 19, 2015 #276 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Here's a clip of what to expect under President Trump: oh? could have sworn it would go something like this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted July 19, 2015 #277 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Trump went too far this time. As a Vietnam vet myself I took great exception to his remarks about McCain. Trump didn't have the guts to serve. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KariW Posted July 19, 2015 #278 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Trump went too far this time. As a Vietnam vet myself I took great exception to his remarks about McCain. Trump didn't have the guts to serve. I agree, I don't like McCain because of what he did to the Native Americans of Arizona, but I will always respect his service to our country! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Lotus Posted July 20, 2015 #279 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Trump went too far this time. As a Vietnam vet myself I took great exception to his remarks about McCain. Trump didn't have the guts to serve. hey that bone spur must have just been ungodly unbearable for mr trump i mean those just can't be dealt with with a minor operation or anything.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted July 20, 2015 #280 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I think he was saying that to him McCain isn't special and that all vets are heroes. If only he added the word "too" and said I like those who weren't captured "too". That's a considerable flub though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted July 20, 2015 #281 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I think he was saying that to him McCain isn't special and that all vets are heroes. If only he added the word "too" and said I like those who weren't captured "too". That's a considerable flub though. You just keep thinkin' that. Meanwhile, http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-california-politics-trump-20150719-story.html "We've got 15-16 very serious people running for president — and one clown," fumed Shawn Steel, California's representative to the Republican National Committee, the GOP's organizing body. "Trump is a pig, and he's coming in upsetting every cart he can find, throwing dishes off the table." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted July 20, 2015 #282 Share Posted July 20, 2015 And who the hell is Shawn Steel and why should I care. I said it was a flub. You disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted July 20, 2015 #283 Share Posted July 20, 2015 And who the hell is Shawn Steel and why should I care. I said it was a flub. You disagree? Read the article, and yes, I disagree. Trump didn't flub anything. He said precisely what he meant to. If it was a flub, why didn't he apologize or clear up the misunderstanding? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted July 20, 2015 #284 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I don't want to read the article. It's an opinion piece and the short answer is that Trump doesn't tend to apologize. The long answer is that this is a weekend news story that most politicians, or would be's, wouldn't address until the more visible weekday news cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Lotus Posted July 20, 2015 #285 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Read the article, and yes, I disagree. Trump didn't flub anything. He said precisely what he meant to. If it was a flub, why didn't he apologize or clear up the misunderstanding? because he is a piece of crap who said what he said and meant what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted July 20, 2015 #286 Share Posted July 20, 2015 What parts of his statement are not true? All distortions and uses of stereotypes are by definition not true. Those who accept them have to my mind a streak of prejudice or racism or something like that in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted July 20, 2015 #287 Share Posted July 20, 2015 All distortions and uses of stereotypes are by definition not true. Those who accept them have to my mind a streak of prejudice or racism or something like that in them. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted July 20, 2015 #288 Share Posted July 20, 2015 What? :You don't understand? You need to learn ato read with comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted July 20, 2015 #289 Share Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) All distortions and uses of stereotypes are by definition not true. Those who accept them have to my mind a streak of prejudice or racism or something like that in them. What? :You don't understand? You need to learn ato read with comprehension. Considering that english isn't your first language I'm going to give you a break. It's time to go back and edit my ignore list again. Edited July 20, 2015 by ZZ430 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted July 20, 2015 #290 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Considering that english isn't your first language I'm going to give you a break. It's time to go back and edit my ignore list again. First time in quite a while someone has tried to influence me by threatening the dreaded horrible ïgnore list". My what a feeling of power that must give you! I think my English is just fine; at least I know to capitalize the word. What I posted what clear enough; your response indicated either stupidity or something worse. I have no need to explain simple things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 20, 2015 #291 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I think he was saying that to him McCain isn't special and that all vets are heroes. If only he added the word "too" and said I like those who weren't captured "too". That's a considerable flub though. Hmmm. Sounds rather like changing what he said to what you wish he had said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted July 20, 2015 #292 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I don't "wish" he said anything. It doesn't make much sense to believe that he's dumb enough to publicly announce that he detests POW's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted July 20, 2015 #293 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I hate to say it, but in one sense he's right. It sounds harsh and in the current PC environment of never offending anyone even harsher, but would anyone have ever heard of John McCain if he hadn't been captured? Thousands of soldiers in all of the Armed Forces served their tour of duty and went home. Anonymous then and anonymous still. This is not meant in any way to belittle John McCain or make light of his ordeal, but being taken prisoner was not something he did, it's something that happened to him. The same with surviving. He endured his confinement, and that's a feat in itself, but his survival was due entirely to circumstances beyond his control. I don't blame him for making the most of it, it's called playing the hand you're dealt, but it can hardly be considered an accomplishment. Traditionally heroes are measured by their deeds, not by their circumstances. Trump's words may be indelicate, to say the least, but they're not wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted July 20, 2015 #294 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I don't "wish" he said anything. It doesn't make much sense to believe that he's dumb enough to publicly announce that he detests POW's. You're right, it doesn't make much sense, but that is, in effect, what he said. He's also denigrated Latinos, and then turned around and said they love him, and he loves them. To quote Sidney Freedman from Mash, "(Trump is) such a big bag of walking fertilizer, it's hard for me to care." Listen, you don't p*** people off (minorities, veterans) and expect them to vote for you (nor do you insult your potential coworkers (Congress) and expect them to work with you). Either Trump knows that, and all this is a vanity project, or he's very, very stupid. I hate to say it, but in one sense he's right. It sounds harsh and in the current PC environment of never offending anyone even harsher, but would anyone have ever heard of John McCain if he hadn't been captured? Thousands of soldiers in all of the Armed Forces served their tour of duty and went home. Anonymous then and anonymous still. This is not meant in any way to belittle John McCain or make light of his ordeal, but being taken prisoner was not something he did, it's something that happened to him. The same with surviving. He endured his confinement, and that's a feat in itself, but his survival was due entirely to circumstances beyond his control. I don't blame him for making the most of it, it's called playing the hand you're dealt, but it can hardly be considered an accomplishment. Traditionally heroes are measured by their deeds, not by their circumstances. Trump's words may be indelicate, to say the least, but they're not wrong. He still could've run for Congress and been elected, regardless of his being captured. Being a POW was probably a plus, but hardly necessary. In the POW camp, he had a reputation for being a leader, of not giving up, of staying strong in the face of incredible odds. I'd say that shows he's a hero. The man was tortured, for crying out loud, and regardless of his politics today, he came through it relatively unscathed. I'd say he deserves respect for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 20, 2015 #295 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I hate to say it, but in one sense he's right. It sounds harsh and in the current PC environment of never offending anyone even harsher, but would anyone have ever heard of John McCain if he hadn't been captured? Thousands of soldiers in all of the Armed Forces served their tour of duty and went home. Anonymous then and anonymous still. This is not meant in any way to belittle John McCain or make light of his ordeal, but being taken prisoner was not something he did, it's something that happened to him. The same with surviving. He endured his confinement, and that's a feat in itself, but his survival was due entirely to circumstances beyond his control. I don't blame him for making the most of it, it's called playing the hand you're dealt, but it can hardly be considered an accomplishment. Traditionally heroes are measured by their deeds, not by their circumstances. Trump's words may be indelicate, to say the least, but they're not wrong. Well, I'm afraid it does seem like, whatever interpretation one may try to put on his words (the Words of Trump seem to be open to as many interpretations according to what people want them to say as the Bible), what he allegedly did seem to say was " “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” That does sound as if Mr. T was saying that the only people he considers worthy of being regarded as war heroes were ones who weren't captured, doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted July 20, 2015 #296 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You're right, it doesn't make much sense, but that is, in effect, what he said. He's also denigrated Latinos, and then turned around and said they love him, and he loves them. To quote Sidney Freedman from Mash, "(Trump is) such a big bag of walking fertilizer, it's hard for me to care." Listen, you don't p*** people off (minorities, veterans) and expect them to vote for you (nor do you insult your potential coworkers (Congress) and expect them to work with you). Either Trump knows that, and all this is a vanity project, or he's very, very stupid. He still could've run for Congress and been elected, regardless of his being captured. Being a POW was probably a plus, but hardly necessary. In the POW camp, he had a reputation for being a leader, of not giving up, of staying strong in the face of incredible odds. I'd say that shows he's a hero. The man was tortured, for crying out loud, and regardless of his politics today, he came through it relatively unscathed. I'd say he deserves respect for that. I agree with what you're saying, and I really don't want to get into an off topic argument about what makes a hero, but your description of a hero (" being a leader, of not giving up, of staying strong in the face of incredible odds") I'm sure would apply to many others who served in that war, or any war, for that matter. As I stated in my comments I don't mean to belittle him or make light of his ordeal, and yes, he does deserve respect, but no more than the anonymous legions that had the good fortune of not being captured. This is in no way an endorsement of Donald Trump or his off the cuff comments, he didn't need to put it that way, but that doesn't make him wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted July 20, 2015 #297 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Well, I'm afraid it does seem like, whatever interpretation one may try to put on his words (the Words of Trump seem to be open to as many interpretations according to what people want them to say as the Bible), what he allegedly did seem to say was " “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” That does sound as if Mr. T was saying that the only people he considers worthy of being regarded as war heroes were ones who weren't captured, doesn't it. My interpretation, and that's all it is, is that he meant that it takes more than being captured and surviving to be considered a hero. His last sentence was unnecessary and shows that he's not a practiced politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted July 20, 2015 #298 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I agree with what you're saying, and I really don't want to get into an off topic argument about what makes a hero, but your description of a hero (" being a leader, of not giving up, of staying strong in the face of incredible odds") I'm sure would apply to many others who served in that war, or any war, for that matter. As I stated in my comments I don't mean to belittle him or make light of his ordeal, and yes, he does deserve respect, but no more than the anonymous legions that had the good fortune of not being captured. This is in no way an endorsement of Donald Trump or his off the cuff comments, he didn't need to put it that way, but that doesn't make him wrong. I never said or implied McCain should be the only hero, and yes, it would apply to many others who served. That's not the point. The point is we're talking about Trump and McCain exclusively, not other soldiers who may or may not qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted July 20, 2015 #299 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I don't "wish" he said anything. It doesn't make much sense to believe that he's dumb enough to publicly announce that he detests POW's. Well you wanted to see how this would play out. How's that working out now? Well, I'm afraid it does seem like, whatever interpretation one may try to put on his words (the Words of Trump seem to be open to as many interpretations according to what people want them to say as the Bible), what he allegedly did seem to say was " “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” That does sound as if Mr. T was saying that the only people he considers worthy of being regarded as war heroes were ones who weren't captured, doesn't it. Not necessarily although some people will interpret it that way. Another way of interpreting it is that someone should have a better reason to be a war hero than getting captured. An ace over the skies of Vietnam who bagged five MiGs might be such an example. McCain didn't shoot down five enemy planes, he crashed five of his own planes. And for the record, McCain didn't finish last in his class or 2nd from last in his class, it was 5th from last in his class. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted July 20, 2015 #300 Share Posted July 20, 2015 First time in quite a while someone has tried to influence me by threatening the dreaded horrible ïgnore list". My what a feeling of power that must give you! I think my English is just fine; at least I know to capitalize the word. What I posted what clear enough; your response indicated either stupidity or something worse. I have no need to explain simple things. Are you sure you want to go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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