Frank Merton Posted August 11, 2015 #476 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I think for most of the really wealthy it comes from a combination of ruthless greed and good luck and an ability to accept risks over and over. Gates was an example -- unlike most of his similarly geeky contemporaries he was never about anything other than making money (much as I admire is activities when he got older). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted August 11, 2015 #477 Share Posted August 11, 2015 The comparisons to Gates are stubborn. What has Donald Trump revolutionized? Bill Gates is a visionary and a philanthropist. Trump is a gruff salesman entirely motivated by money. But Trump's way out in first place now isn't he? . If he can command a solid #1 position as a GOP candidate even after a poor debate performance, yeah he'll take the GOP's easy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occult1 Posted August 11, 2015 #478 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) If donald dump wins then hilary becomes president because no sane person wants dump as president, so they are going to vote for Hilary. The worst thing for republicans would be that dump wins the republican candidacy. She must be chuckling indeed. It might even be hilarius. If Trump is the best presidential candidate the GOP can come up with, wow. Edited August 11, 2015 by Phenix20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 11, 2015 #479 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I expected that would happen but so far it's a far cry from being bought and paid for by lobbyists. These are his everyday supporters donating a few bucks here and there. We'll see what happens. I'm not saying anything is happening -- yet. I just think it's an interesting turn of events. One of many to come no doubt. Like he's not closing the door on a third party run. Either way, the R's are pretty screwed. Reince isn't standing up to him, so he won't kick him out of the party like I thought he would, and if The T-Man goes rogue and runs as a third party, that'll take votes away from the Rs. It's possible of course Reince will kick him out, but I see it as more likely the Rs, (not Reince himself) will de-invite T to the parties, and the T-ster will eventually quit the Rs. Whether he'll actually stay in the race or not depends on when that happens. I'm still sure he'll drop out before it gets to next summer, it's just that my crystal ball's a little hazy on when and exactly why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted August 12, 2015 #480 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Only name you forgot was T-Bone. It is pretty wild how much time is left in this race. It feels like half the process has happened but it's only been one debate. One very early on debate. We'll see though. Lots of time left but according to guys like you he was supposed to be finished and dropped out a while before the first debate. He's only picking up steam. If Trump is the best presidential candidate the GOP can come up with, wow. Perhaps not but he is the most popular. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 12, 2015 #481 Share Posted August 12, 2015 You're exactly right it's still incredibly early. And one thing I've said is that there's no way he can keep up the momentum he's got now. And I stick to that. In fact, I've said he may stay in the race until next spring, but I don't think he'll be there in a year's time. Debates are showboating, just like the polls. Wait until the primaries and caucuses, when people actually start voting, not just responding to polls. Then we'll find out what's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted August 12, 2015 #482 Share Posted August 12, 2015 He's not going to drop out at the height of getting attention. He'll be done when the ratings drop and he gets bored. If he keeps getting cheers, I'm sure he will stay for an encore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ZZ. Posted August 12, 2015 #483 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I'm not saying anything is happening -- yet. I just think it's an interesting turn of events. One of many to come no doubt. Like he's not closing the door on a third party run. Either way, the R's are pretty screwed. Reince isn't standing up to him, so he won't kick him out of the party like I thought he would, and if The T-Man goes rogue and runs as a third party, that'll take votes away from the Rs. It's possible of course Reince will kick him out, but I see it as more likely the Rs, (not Reince himself) will de-invite T to the parties, and the T-ster will eventually quit the Rs. Whether he'll actually stay in the race or not depends on when that happens. I'm still sure he'll drop out before it gets to next summer, it's just that my crystal ball's a little hazy on when and exactly why. I've evolved on several opinions myself, so I can't blame you for changing your previous prediction of "he will be dropping out soon" Now it's before next summer? Who manufactured your crystal ball? It may be time for some glass cleaner Leo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 12, 2015 #484 Share Posted August 12, 2015 the Donald has said he would "bomb the oil fields" wut!? so, all of the politicians and the donald seem to be saying the same thing.. Get Tougher in the Middle East. How refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 12, 2015 #485 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I've evolved on several opinions myself, so I can't blame you for changing your previous prediction of "he will be dropping out soon" Now it's before next summer? Who manufactured your crystal ball? It may be time for some glass cleaner Leo. I was never specific as to when he'd drop out. I never said "He'll quit by the end of August," or "after the first debate," or anything of the sort. I'm just certain he won't be the nominee, and I've outlined my reasons. Since the nominee hasn't been chosen yet, sure, it's still possible, but I'm sure that the brighter he burns, the sooner he'll burn out. That's the main point, not a specific date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 12, 2015 #486 Share Posted August 12, 2015 the Donald has said he would "bomb the oil fields" wut!? so, all of the politicians and the donald seem to be saying the same thing.. Get Tougher in the Middle East. How refreshing. Well, he is the most militaristic person he knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 12, 2015 #487 Share Posted August 12, 2015 He's not going to drop out at the height of getting attention. He'll be done when the ratings drop and he gets bored. If he keeps getting cheers, I'm sure he will stay for an encore. And you've put your finger right on it there. He thinks in terms of ratings. He boasted he brought Fox the highest ratings for any debate in history, and he's not wrong. But to him, it's more about ratings and poll numbers than actually wanting to do anything for the country. If that weren't the case, he'd have offered his ISIS solution, either for free to the government or charged them, but he wouldn't say, "I'll tell you when I'm president, and not before." But it's just like the birth certificate BS. "Wait'll you find out what my detectives dug up in Hawaii!" We're still waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted August 12, 2015 #488 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Jeb tells Trump to tone it down. Trump tones it up and his popularity goes through the roof. FNC couldn't soft-serve it to Jeb good enough, and the one "we have the great pleasure of voting for" hasn't pledged to anything -- unless the GOP is at least fair or even better nice to him. He's now applying his leverage on the GOP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted August 12, 2015 #489 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Trump seems to have his own version of "hope and change" without any more clarity than the current prez did during his campaign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted August 12, 2015 #490 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Trump seems to have his own version of "hope and change" without any more clarity than the current prez did during his campaign. That's really a great point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted August 12, 2015 #491 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Jeb tells Trump to tone it down. Trump tones it up and his popularity goes through the roof. FNC couldn't soft-serve it to Jeb good enough, and the one "we have the great pleasure of voting for" hasn't pledged to anything -- unless the GOP is at least fair or even better nice to him. He's now applying his leverage on the GOP. I don't think it is accurate to describe Trump as in any way "popular." All he does is top a crowded field by a few percentage points -- in polls field limited to registered Republicans. His "negatives" also top everyone else, and are over half of voters.Yes the ratings of debates he is in to go up when he is in them, but then ratings for clowns go up too. Much of the audience watches for entertainment or in hopes of some real disaster they can see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted August 12, 2015 #492 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Let's face it: Trump is the NASCAR of the Republican party. You don't watch him because you enjoy seeing him go around in circles. You are there for the inevitable crash and burn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted August 12, 2015 #493 Share Posted August 12, 2015 FULL SPEECH: Donald Trump ---Birch Run, MI (8-11-15) http://youtu.be/GNVwHg0hQkA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted August 12, 2015 #494 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I'll be sure to watch it just as soon as I've caught up with the last season of Keeping Up With The Kardashians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted August 12, 2015 #495 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Kardashians are so not-a-disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 12, 2015 #496 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Let's face it: Trump is the NASCAR of the Republican party. You don't watch him because you enjoy seeing him go around in circles. You are there for the inevitable crash and burn. Exactly. And just as race fans watch races because of the technology, the drivers, the passing, and the strategy, they don't watch races to wait for crashes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted August 12, 2015 #497 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Exactly. And just as race fans watch races because of the technology, the drivers, the passing, and the strategy, they don't watch races to wait for crashes. To be Honest the Last two Presidential campaigns were a little boring, Trump may crash in a big ball of flames but he will bring a little and much needed entertainment to the proceedings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrn30000 Posted August 13, 2015 #498 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I am beginning to think, Trump has become the Great White Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted August 13, 2015 #499 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Here's an interesting piece about Bernie Sanders, but I'm posting it to show that articles can be more about one thing: http://www.vox.com/2015/8/13/9145091/bernie-sanders-problem People get more pragmatic the closer they get to an actual vote.As Trippi [who managed Howard Dean's presidential campaign] says, "We drew large crowds and lots of energy but there was always a fear among the party establishment that we couldn’t beat Bush. In the end those kinds of doubts always move voters back towards the establishment’s candidate." Think about that for a minute. I see an exact parallel between what he's talking about and Donald Trump. That's another reason I say Trump won't go the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted August 14, 2015 #500 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Rand Paul's Best Donald Trump Impersonations August 13, 2015 http://youtu.be/4DInwLjDyPQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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