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Donald Trump Enters 2016 Presidential Race


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As convincing as your apathy is, I think who the President is matters, and what their policy ideas happen to be before they get elected.

All the noise about criminal Hillary's emails is a pile about policy. The policy of how they're to handle their emails. I'm far more interested in the policy that kills people (e.g. the bombing of Libya). I'd be far more interested in reading her emails about that. The assault on the embassy building is the coup de grace of a horrifying decision to empower Al Qaeda in Libya. But for GOPers that assault is when their interest in our govt's involvement begins. Why? Because it's entirely politically motivated. Clinton's not in the middle of another right wing conspiracy because of her policy. The potential charges are a matter of housekeeping, shuffling paper.

Trump's support is based entirely on what he says too. He hasn't done anything yet. So technically you could be giving this response to a lot more posters than me. Trump represents the most angelic core of the R party ranks, the corporate sector and the wealthy.

damn, man you believe anything.

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damn, man you believe anything.

[funny meme deleted]

Believe anything? What is there in what Yam says there that sounds gullible to you?
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^^^ That who's president matters.

I've always thought so myself. I swear yamotos said numerous times that it doesn't. Although I'm pretty sure he's said it doesn't matter who I or anyone else votes for but now if he has someone picked out you'd better look out because change is a comin'.

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^^^ That who's president matters.

I've always thought so myself. I swear yamotos said numerous times that it doesn't. Although I'm pretty sure he's said it doesn't matter who I or anyone else votes for but now if he has someone picked out you'd better look out because change is a comin'.

If aztek's trying to read me on the contents of just one post, he's not going to do a very good job. Based on all of my posts and all of your posts, we both sound like we think who's President matters.

I just don't think policy about emails matters that much. A few minor learning experiences on how to handle emails better in posterity. Nothing major that's going to brighten the future of this country aside from a very narrow pipe of emails not sharing confidential information on private servers (state protectionism). But that's not why you care, you just don't want Hillary Clinton to be President because you think it matters. And on that, we agree.

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Who is president of the US matters very much. I doubt Vietnam would have suffered so much and so many Americans would have died here if Kennedy had lived. Hard to be sure though -- it might be the country and not who is president that leads to such foolishness, considering the things some Americans post.

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Orange fool. Lol

Well when he can't stop talking about how other people look, there's no reason why any of us shouldn't comment on the way he looks.

But then I looked at him again. And he was pinker than an Indian River Grapefruit!

Orange and pink, the worst color combination you could paint a room with! He's a pink and orange disaster. I'm sorry, but if you don't like what I think, that's tough.

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Who is president of the US matters very much. I doubt Vietnam would have suffered so much and so many Americans would have died here if Kennedy had lived. Hard to be sure though -- it might be the country and not who is president that leads to such foolishness, considering the things some Americans post.

Mmm, but some would argue that that's evidence of the argument that the authority that the President has only goes so far, and that's an example of what might happen if he does try to resist the forces that are driving things behind the scenes. But that, of course, would be heading into conspiracy territory. :innocent:
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My theory is there's always a conspiracy somewhere.

Interestingly, Frank's down for us going after today's Viet Cong, the Islamic Jihadists. Only instead of hiding in the jungles of a tiny country, our new favorite bomb target resides in most countries around the world. What could go wrong? What could possibly be the problem with repeating the most unwinnable strategy ever (Vietnam) on rebels in the Middle East?

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If one could shrink him down to pocket-size and jam a pencil up his wherever then hold him between the palms of your hands and roll the pencil back and forth really, really fast, he'd look just like one of those troll dolls. Same colors, too!

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Interesting polling information from PPP:

It's interesting to note though that his 47/40 favorability rating only makes him the 7th most popular of the 11 candidates we looked at in the state.

If voters had to choose just between Trump and Ben Carson (59/35), Marco Rubio (51/43), or Scott Walker (50/43) the supporters of the other candidates would coalesce around the non-Trump candidate enough that he would lag behind. Trump has the most passionate supporters at this point but at the end of the day his popularity isn't that broad.

And for you Hillary bashers:

Clinton trails 8 of the 11 Republican hopefuls in hypothetical match ups, although most of the margins are close. The strongest performers against her are Ben Carson who leads 47/40 and Marco Rubio who has a 45/41 advantage. Carson and Rubio have been the strongest performing Republicans in the general election in all three of the polls we've done since the debate.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-grows-lead-in-nc-gop-leads-most-match-ups.html#more

I stick with my thought that polls don't matter, votes do, but at this stage of the game, all we've got are polls.

And just for s&g's, I looked up previous polling data. Why, look here! It's Trump ahead of everyone else in the GOP! In 2011!

The Donald is trumping his GOP competitors.

The billionaire real estate mogul has taken a rather shocking nine-point lead in a national poll of the hypothetical Republican presidential field, according to a new survey by Public Policy Polling.

Trump leads with 26 percent, followed by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee (17 percent), former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (15 percent) and ex-Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (11 percent).

Then, he was running on the idea of birtherism. Now it's immigration. Sounds like a theme with him.

From the same article:

"But if he doesn't [run as a candidate--at this time, he was undeclared], someone who taps into the same sort of hard, hard right sentiment he's appealing to right now will get their votes - it's hard to imagine these folks voting for a more centrist candidate like Romney or Pawlenty," said Jensen.

"And that means there's a very serious contingent within the Republican Party that's less concerned with beating Barack Obama than having a nominee who gets them fired up," he added.

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"As for you Hillary bashers" ??? Seriously? Do you actually support Hillary, Leo?

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"As for you Hillary bashers" ??? Seriously? Do you actually support Hillary, Leo?

I haven't yet decided who I'm supporting yet, it's at least six months too early. Except to say it won't be a Republican....other than that, it could be Hillary, or it could be a member of the Flat Earth Society. I'll wait until the primaries start winnowing people out before I'll make up my mind.

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At least the flat earth society, crazy as they are, seem to be since in there convictions.

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At least the flat earth society, crazy as they are, seem to be since in there convictions.

Yeah, and at least their members are few and they are not blindly following Hillary.

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I haven't yet decided who I'm supporting yet, it's at least six months too early. Except to say it won't be a Republican....other than that, it could be Hillary, or it could be a member of the Flat Earth Society. I'll wait until the primaries start winnowing people out before I'll make up my mind.

The fact the Hillary is demonstrably evil doesn't worry you?
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The fact the Hillary is demonstrably evil doesn't worry you?

Show me facts. Not innuendo, not crap like Whitewater, or Vince Foster, or opinion. I'd like to see facts.

Not to mention, I may vote third party, or even not at all. But I sure won't vote Republican, because they stand for everything I don't.

ETA: Saying she's "demonstrably" evil reminds me of the guy in 1976 who claimed Jimmy Carter was the anti-Christ. How'd that turn out?

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Show me facts. Not innuendo, not crap like Whitewater, or Vince Foster, or opinion. I'd like to see facts.

Not to mention, I may vote third party, or even not at all. But I sure won't vote Republican, because they stand for everything I don't.

ETA: Saying she's "demonstrably" evil reminds me of the guy in 1976 who claimed Jimmy Carter was the anti-Christ. How'd that turn out?

"we came, we saw, he died" ~ Clinton H. re M. Gadaffi. Even if you do consider that he was a tyrant and a Monster, doesn't such talk sound, well, irresponsible for someone with ambitions to be the most powerful person in the world?
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"we came, we saw, he died" ~ Clinton H. re M. Gadaffi. Even if you do consider that he was a tyrant and a Monster, doesn't such talk sound, well, irresponsible for someone with ambitions to be the most powerful person in the world?

Veni, Vidi, Gadaffi.

Hey - if it's good enough for Venkman...

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Not to mention, I may vote third party, or even not at all. But I sure won't vote Republican, because they stand for everything I don't.

Beginning and ending with-- common sense.

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"we came, we saw, he died" ~ Clinton H. re M. Gadaffi. Even if you do consider that he was a tyrant and a Monster, doesn't such talk sound, well, irresponsible for someone with ambitions to be the most powerful person in the world?

Can't you be bothered to give a link to that?

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Beginning and ending with-- common sense.

Common sense, as in controlling (i.e. trying to ban) birth control, over 50 votes in the House to repeal Obamacare, gerrymandering congressional districts to disenfranchise voters, cutting taxes on the wealthy while raising them on the poor, fighting illegal wars (and not paying for them either), outing a spy, denying climate change (and in fact trying to make it illegal --somehow, by restricting the language), avoiding any number of other scientific facts.....I can go on, you know.

That sort of common sense? Is that what you mean by "common sense"?

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Poor Leo, if you just realize that, "God trumps Science" and "Faith trumps Reason" then all of that stuff would make perfect (common) sense.

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