Donald Trump Enters 2016 Presidential Race

[.ZZ.]

The more time goes on the more this partisan conspiracy theory is going to be shot full of holes. One would hope.

Yeah, Trump's really this "looser!" <-- Why can't people on the internet spell this word correctly? Because they're all winners?

*hugs*

Thank you for that!

[acidhead]

Even if you're right, and I should be asking you for an explanation, how does that benefit Donald Trump?

It very well could ensure his name goes down as one of the most colossal idiots in US history. Is that what he wants for himself? Or is he really this benevolent human being who's doing it for the Dems out of the kindness of his heart?

I'll admit I youtube his name almost every evening and narrow the search to 'today'. I find him entertaining. His speech yesterday in Iowa was one of his best IMO so far... and I don't mean for policy ideas.... It was just funny..... I think he's beginning to hit a groove. Sure his speeches usually have more or less the same stories but he doesn't always deliver them the same. I suppose it's because he's not reading notes up there. It's actually impressive.. almost like a comedy act but he's actually serious or so he says he is serious. I particularly like the one where he says Ford may as well get the illegals to drive their cars across the border if they build a plant in Mexico... lol... or when he shushes members of the press who add questions to their questions while he's answering. It's great seeing the so-called mainstream media told to hush up. Yesterday in a press conference he told a Univision guy to "Sit down.. It's not your turn!"..... I'm still undecided if it was real or contrived. He says he's suing Univision for 500 million over the Miss Universe ordeal. What I do know is Univision and NBC will be hosting a R primary debate and presidential debate and Trump would have looked horrible in the eyes and ears of everybody watching if he was still on the take from them...... soooooo...... the way I see it is he's either going to go for it IF the R's allow him to be their nominee OR something will come up, like the Univision/NBC fiasco and he will have a legally binding excuse to stop continuing any further.

Edited August 27, 2015 by acidhead

[ellapenella]

The theory that Trump isn't a plant of the Dems? Maybe the double negative was misstated, but Donald Trump proves that just like the media isn't this monolith of control, the political parties aren't either. He's treating his competitors like wannabe Apprentices, and being a D is no refuge. Money is what really matters in this game, for puppets and puppet masters alike.

For the polls to be this strong for Trump and he's not really running for President, he'd have to become perhaps the biggest loser in political history. Does that sound like Trump to you? The Dems would have to be covertly offering him billions after Hillary became President, which would be a lot more of a "criminal problem" than she has now.

wannabe apprentices lol

[ellapenella]

I'll admit I youtube his name almost every evening and narrow the search to 'today'. I find him entertaining. His speech yesterday in Iowa was one of his best IMO so far... and I don't mean for policy ideas.... It was just funny..... I think he's beginning to hit a groove. Sure his speeches usually have more or less the same stories but he doesn't always deliver them the same. I suppose it's because he's not reading notes up there. It's actually impressive.. almost like a comedy act but he's actually serious or so he says he is serious. I particularly like the one where he says Ford may as well get the illegals to drive their cars across the border if they build a plant in Mexico... lol... or when he shushes members of the press who add questions to their questions while he's answering. It's great seeing the so-called mainstream media told to hush up. Yesterday in a press conference he told a Univision guy to "Sit down.. It's not your turn!"..... I'm still undecided if it was real or contrived. He says he's suing Univision for 500 million over the Miss Universe ordeal. What I do know is Univision and NBC will be hosting a R primary debate and presidential debate and Trump would have looked horrible in the eyes and ears of everybody watching if he was still on the take from them...... soooooo...... the way I see it is he's either going to go for it IF the R's allow him to be their nominee OR something will come up, like the Univision/NBC fiasco and he will have a legally binding excuse to stop continuing any further.

yeah, the guy he told to sit down is Jorge Ramos. Jorge's daughter works for the Hillary campaign. You had me laughing and agreeing with you. I like to hear him cause his freak ing funny...

[Tiggs]

He wants to bomb the oil fields, send in the oil companies and take the oil. It's not too difficult to extrapolate from that what his policy on Palestine is.

Extrapolate = speculate.

I don't know what one that doesn't you're talking about. Sure as hell isn't us

By 'us' - please note that I'm not American. I'm a Brit that currently lives in California.

unless that list written up by bureaucrats is what makes the difference. Another bureaucratically dependent argument based on govt labels. Iran is "terrorist"? We're the "Great Satan", how many bombs is that worth? Don't pick your favorite labels and stop thinking critically.

Generally, I reserve the label of terrorist to those who've actively been trying to kill me.

Such as the IRA, courtesy of Libyan-supplied Semtex.

Either way - you still seem to think that I'm trying to use Libya's character as a justification for the resolution. I'm really not.

FTR, Do you have anything to say about "There is no Iraq. There are no Iraqis." or is that not interesting enough to consider when you determine what you think of Donald Trump? There has been approaching zero concern here for this blatant warmongering, so maybe you can join me now in breaking the ice. And don't even try to spin it that it doesn't matter what Trump says one post after you're duly waiting for his rhetoric on Palestine.

Sure.

Let's quote the relevant conversations.

From the July 10, 2015 CNN interview:

COOPER: I want to ask you about ISIS. You said nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.

TRUMP: Nobody.

COOPER: Specifically, what would be your strategy?

TRUMP: The situation has to be dealt firmly and strongly. When you have people being beheaded, I would love not to be over there. That's not our fight. That's other people's fight. That's revolutions. That's whatever you want to call it. Religious wars.

COOPER: What would you do?

TRUMP: I would do things that would be so tough that I don't even know if they'd be around to come to the table.

COOPER: What sort of things, though?

TRUMP: I would take away their wealth. I would take away the oil. What you should be doing now is taking away the oil.

COOPER: What does that mean?

TRUMP: And I'll tell you what I hate about this question. If I win -- if I win. I didn't want to answer this question and I thought maybe I could go without answering it. Because if you look at the great General George Patton or General MacArthur, who I was a big fan of, or any of these great generals, they didn't talk about what they did. And I hate that.

In fact, if you remember, when I said I have a plan, but I don't want to talk about it. The problem is, everyone said, "Oh, he really doesn't have a plan." So I had to do it. But I hate talking about it. Because if I win, they know I'm going to do it.

If I win, I would attack those oil sites that are controlled and owned by ISIS. They're controlled by ISIS. They're taking tremendous money out. They are renovating a hotel in Iraq. Can you believe it?

COOPER: Wouldn't you be destroying the wealth of Iraq?

TRUMP: No. There is no Iraq. There is no Iraq. Their leadership is...

COOPER: The Iraqis might differ with you.

TRUMP: Excuse me. There are no Iraqis. They're broken up into so many different factions.

COOPER: You don't think bombing Iraqi oilfields, which are now controlled by ISIS, but bombing Iraqi oilfields is going to anger huge numbers of people?

TRUMP: I would bomb the hell out of those oilfields. I wouldn't send many troops, because you won't need them by the time I got finished. I'd bomb the hell out of the oilfields. I'd then get Exxon. I'd go and get these great oil companies to go in. They would rebuild them so fast your head will spin. You ever see...

(CROSSTALK)

COOPER: ... the oil fields?

TRUMP: Excuse me. You ever see how fast they put up rigs? These guys are unbelievable. So I'd go to ExxonMobil. I'd go to the top five oil companies. They'd be in there. They'd be finished so fast.

COOPER: Wouldn't you need U.S. troops to protect the oilfields?

TRUMP: Yes, and you put a ring around them. You'd put a ring. You've just taken all of the wealth away. This is what should be done. But no politician's going to do that.

Also - from Reuters:

Speaking on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program, the billionaire businessman said it would take American soldiers to target the militant group.

"They have great money because they have oil," Trump said. "Every place where they have oil I would knock the hell out of them."

"I would knock out the source of their wealth, the primary sources of their wealth, which is oil. And in order to do that, you would have to put boots on the ground. I would knock the hell out of them but I'd put a ring around it and I'd take the oil for our country," he told MSNBC.

Basically - he wants to bomb the Iraqi oilfields and then rebuild them with American companies to take the oil for the US.

It's as blatant a plan for an act of international plunder as you're ever likely to see.

[Frank Merton]

That a person like Donald Trump is even taken seriously by anyone, let alone having a following, is a splendid example of something for "Unexplained Mysteries."

[Space Commander Travis]

Again - your claim was "never attacked us", not "provoked us to war". There's a substantive difference between the general character of a country that happily blows up passenger jets whilst supplying arms and explosives to groups labelled as terrorists, .

That'd be the US, then?

[Yamato]

I'll admit I youtube his name almost every evening and narrow the search to 'today'. I find him entertaining. His speech yesterday in Iowa was one of his best IMO so far... and I don't mean for policy ideas.... It was just funny..... I think he's beginning to hit a groove. Sure his speeches usually have more or less the same stories but he doesn't always deliver them the same. I suppose it's because he's not reading notes up there. It's actually impressive.. almost like a comedy act but he's actually serious or so he says he is serious. I particularly like the one where he says Ford may as well get the illegals to drive their cars across the border if they build a plant in Mexico... lol... or when he shushes members of the press who add questions to their questions while he's answering. It's great seeing the so-called mainstream media told to hush up. Yesterday in a press conference he told a Univision guy to "Sit down.. It's not your turn!"..... I'm still undecided if it was real or contrived. He says he's suing Univision for 500 million over the Miss Universe ordeal. What I do know is Univision and NBC will be hosting a R primary debate and presidential debate and Trump would have looked horrible in the eyes and ears of everybody watching if he was still on the take from them...... soooooo...... the way I see it is he's either going to go for it IF the R's allow him to be their nominee OR something will come up, like the Univision/NBC fiasco and he will have a legally binding excuse to stop continuing any further.

I agree he's entertaining, but then I remember he's running for President and leading in the polls. The conspiracy theory that he's not really running for President and therefore we can keep laughing, sounds like a fair way to carry him into the White House. When we laugh at the most insidious of ideas we'll end up enabling them to happen. I'm not going to let myself get hooked on anyone running for office for their entertainment value. If they're incidentally funny and entertaining while their ideas aren't crazy-evil, that'd be great. But I totally get what you're saying, real life is often almost as crazy as the free ponies video (forgot dude's name). I'm a fan of comedy as much as anyone, but I'm not happy that we have to source it from our presidential candidates! Obama has a great sense of humor, and that had something to do with him getting elected in the first place, but it doesn't translate into good President-ing

Ann Coulter said she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House after she heard his immigration plan. That was entertaining and funny to some people too, but after we stop laughing (or reading Ann Coulter's latest book) immigration policy is no joke. The ice witch should discredit herself but Fox trapses her out on a regular basis as if she's credible. But I'll give her a mulligan because she's not running for President. But the people who are running? That those people aren't taking serious business seriously disqualifies them already. If we're going to put a premium on wannabe politicians entertaining us, even subconsciously, they've got us by the gills. How many more months is it going to be safe to laugh at? If we're entertained enough to find out it'll be too late.

I don't know if Ramos's "reign of terror" is an exaggeration or not, but I will not accept Donald Trump and this govt terrorizing and traumatizing people as if they're sub-humans. Yes they're here and it's a problem. Yes they came here illegally it doesn't mean they're not our friends. The way his goons shoved Ramos out of the room was despicable. I've seen journalists rapid fire questions at Presidents like that and they handled them with ease and with no disrespect. Trump should handled that little problem all by himself before sicking his goons on the guy. "There's a good Commander in Chief...derp!" the neocons will think.

Reagan would have charmed the Mexican's mouth shut. But the age of gentlemen is dead. I'd rather take this orange howitzer seriously before he's President, and the sooner the better. You know more about Trump than I do bro but I'm curious, are you pursuing Trump just for entertainment's sake or has he actually said something reasonable yet?

He just had some cross dealings with the Fox News boss and it sounded like he wasn't going to give away his leverage, again. I wouldn't expect him to give any leverage away at anytime, ever. If they can't control him, if he won't play nice, this is what people mean when they say we're being controlled by the super rich. Trump can put out million dollar ads and carpet bomb the little contestants before they can even gather a war chest. I'm sure if Adelson calls Trump, Trump will treat him with respect because he's rich (he's smart). If Adelson dumps his dough on Trump the GOP election will be naught but a dog and pony show. Can any of the little Republicans give Adelson a good enough tug job for him to put his money on one of them? Adelson doesn't want to invest in a loser. He wants to have influence over the winner with fabulous cash prizes. When the billionaires get together and combine the streams, we're just a bunch of monkeys along for the ride.

[Yamato]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to agree with bombing the IRA Tiggs, especially now that you're safe.

[Space Commander Travis]

So is his complaint about ISIS making money out of the oil in Iraq concern that ISIS are making money out of it, or that ISIS are making money out of it and he isn't?

[Yamato]

The entire Congress, every Presidential candidate plus Bernie Sanders wants to fight ISIS over the fake beheading videos, or whatever. From an operational standpoint shouldn't we make money while we're doing it? At least Trump is honest about what the rest of the clowns are up to (raping other peoples' lands).

[Tiggs]

That'd be the US, then?

The downing of Iran Air Flight 655 and supplying arms to the Contras would fit - providing that you think that shooting Flight 655 was deliberate.

[Frank Merton]

Laws against immigrants are like laws against alcohol. They are unenforceable and do more harm than good. They are also demonstrations that a country is not a free country, regardless of its claims.

[Space Commander Travis]

The downing of Iran Air Flight 655 and supplying arms to the Contras would fit - providing that you think that shooting Flight 655 was deliberate.

If the Us had ever apologised ro showed the slightest contrition in any way, it might have been a start, but it just adds fuel to the belief held by millions that the U.S. is arrogant and will defend its armed forces whatever they do, much like Israel.

Anyway, going back to Libya (which this thread seems to be about now), you've been attempting valiantly to justify the libya intervention by reminding us of the monstrousness of the gaddafi regime, but have you actually answered the following questions:

Do you think that Libya is now a mess;

and if so, who was responsible for that? can the "western" intervention be held to blame in any way?

Edited August 27, 2015 by Norbert the Incredible

[Tiggs]

If the Us had ever apologised ro showed the slightest contrition in any way, it might have been a start, but it just adds fuel to the belief held by millions that the U.S. is arrogant and will defend its armed forces whatever they do, much like Israel.

Anyway, going back to Libya (which this thread seems to be about now), you've been attempting valiantly to justify the libya intervention by reminding us of the monstrousness of the gaddafi regime

but have you actually answered the following questions:

Do you think that Libya is now a mess;

and if so, who was responsible for that? can the "western" intervention be held to blame in any way?

Libya's a mess. It's essentially become a proxy war between UAE/Egypt and Qatar.

Regardless of the UN action - it'd still be a mess.

I'm going to go with Gaddafi - since he was the one that decided shooting protesters was okay.

[Tiggs]

The entire Congress, every Presidential candidate plus Bernie Sanders wants to fight ISIS over the fake beheading videos, or whatever. From an operational standpoint shouldn't we make money while we're doing it?

Only if he has a plan to make Iraq the 51st state.

Otherwise - the US would be stealing the oil from the people of Iraq as much as ISIS currently are.

At least Trump is honest about what the rest of the clowns are up to (raping other peoples' lands).

He's definitely upfront with his intention to commit war crimes.

[ellapenella]

I agree he's entertaining, but then I remember he's running for President and leading in the polls. The conspiracy theory that he's not really running for President and therefore we can keep laughing, sounds like a fair way to carry him into the White House. When we laugh at the most insidious of ideas we'll end up enabling them to happen. I'm not going to let myself get hooked on anyone running for office for their entertainment value. If they're incidentally funny and entertaining while their ideas aren't crazy-evil, that'd be great. But I totally get what you're saying, real life is often almost as crazy as the free ponies video (forgot dude's name). I'm a fan of comedy as much as anyone, but I'm not happy that we have to source it from our presidential candidates! Obama has a great sense of humor, and that had something to do with him getting elected in the first place, but it doesn't translate into good President-ing

Ann Coulter said she didn't care if Trump performed abortions in the White House after she heard his immigration plan. That was entertaining and funny to some people too, but after we stop laughing (or reading Ann Coulter's latest book) immigration policy is no joke. The ice witch should discredit herself but Fox trapses her out on a regular basis as if she's credible. But I'll give her a mulligan because she's not running for President. But the people who are running? That those people aren't taking serious business seriously disqualifies them already. If we're going to put a premium on wannabe politicians entertaining us, even subconsciously, they've got us by the gills. How many more months is it going to be safe to laugh at? If we're entertained enough to find out it'll be too late.

I don't know if Ramos's "reign of terror" is an exaggeration or not, but I will not accept Donald Trump and this govt terrorizing and traumatizing people as if they're sub-humans. Yes they're here and it's a problem. Yes they came here illegally it doesn't mean they're not our friends. The way his goons shoved Ramos out of the room was despicable. I've seen journalists rapid fire questions at Presidents like that and they handled them with ease and with no disrespect. Trump should handled that little problem all by himself before sicking his goons on the guy. "There's a good Commander in Chief...derp!" the neocons will think.

Reagan would have charmed the Mexican's mouth shut. But the age of gentlemen is dead. I'd rather take this orange howitzer seriously before he's President, and the sooner the better. You know more about Trump than I do bro but I'm curious, are you pursuing Trump just for entertainment's sake or has he actually said something reasonable yet?

He just had some cross dealings with the Fox News boss and it sounded like he wasn't going to give away his leverage, again. I wouldn't expect him to give any leverage away at anytime, ever. If they can't control him, if he won't play nice, this is what people mean when they say we're being controlled by the super rich. Trump can put out million dollar ads and carpet bomb the little contestants before they can even gather a war chest. I'm sure if Adelson calls Trump, Trump will treat him with respect because he's rich (he's smart). If Adelson dumps his dough on Trump the GOP election will be naught but a dog and pony show. Can any of the little Republicans give Adelson a good enough tug job for him to put his money on one of them? Adelson doesn't want to invest in a loser. He wants to have influence over the winner with fabulous cash prizes. When the billionaires get together and combine the streams, we're just a bunch of monkeys along for the ride.

Is Ramos a journalist? I wouldn't know because I watch the news in English..His daughter works for Hillary, we all know what Hillary's done. most likely his vote is for Hillary , he's most likely influencing votes for Hillary. I think he deserved to be told to sit down and wait his turn.

Besides, we all know that Trump's not going to be permitted to remove families that are here illegally but are not committing the gang violence out of their homes,and deport them back. Ramos wouldn't even give an honest answer about the gang violence that illegals are bringing with them, he deserves no respect when he doesn't care about our safety, when illegal thugs are hoping over the fence is how I see it.

His family is on the political side of Hillary so when you say that people are being terrorized by brutes, it depends on how you see it. I've seen the decline of respect and the rise of violence in our school system because of the over flow of illegals. I feel for our children too in American that have been here legally. What about their future?

I've been to college where I've seen hard working men and women get turned away for no funds, meanwhile an entire room filled of minorities have it handed to them for free.Are illegals getting free college too?

* I have family members that work for children and family services, what they had to do infuriated them. It was tax returns for undocumented illegals-tax credit for children, like 12 or more to one home. If I remember correctly,they are able to claim credit for children living in Mexico.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Ellapennella

[+OverSword]

Laws against immigrants are like laws against alcohol. They are unenforceable and do more harm than good. They are also demonstrations that a country is not a free country, regardless of its claims.

There you go with more of you asininery. Laws regulating alcohol are enforced to the benefit and safety of society every day. Laws meant to discourage illegal immigration exist and are enforceable, all that is required is a will and an effort to do so. I wonder, is your country more free than mine? Be careful how you answer since speaking out against the government on the internet in Vietnam is a jailable offense.

[+OverSword]

If the Us had ever apologised ro showed the slightest contrition in any way, it might have been a start, but it just adds fuel to the belief held by millions that the U.S. is arrogant and will defend its armed forces whatever they do, much like Israel.

Anyway, going back to Libya (which this thread seems to be about now), you've been attempting valiantly to justify the libya intervention by reminding us of the monstrousness of the gaddafi regime, but have you actually answered the following questions:

Do you think that Libya is now a mess;

and if so, who was responsible for that? can the "western" intervention be held to blame in any way?

If the people that toppled gaddafi were at all honest they would tell you that's what you get for trying to build your own African Union with it's own banking institutions based on gold rather than debt.

But back to the topic - I haven't been keeping up, does anyone besides me believe that the Trump campaign is meant to split the conservative vote? If you will recall the only reason Bill Clinton was originally elected president for his first term was because Ross Perot took a huge percentage of conservative votes away from George Bush Sr.. Haven't I heard that Trump and Billy boy are good buddies?

[ellapenella]

There you go with more of you asininery. Laws regulating alcohol are enforced to the benefit and safety of society every day. Laws meant to discourage illegal immigration exist and are enforceable, all that is required is a will and an effort to do so. I wonder, is your country more free than mine? Be careful how you answer since speaking out against the government on the internet in Vietnam is a jailable offense.

Yep. I hear about Vietnam from the people who own the nail salon, not sure if they're illegals or not, but they're really nice. They said to me that their country is so bad, they are so communist, no one is allowed to earn money, if they do earn more than they are allowed to , their government takes it from them. They feel so sorry for the new generation. They are loosing everything. No freedom at all.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Ellapennella

[Space Commander Travis]

You do not believe that the "West" bears any responsibility? It's all gadaffi's fault? Ok, let's try this, to see if I can get any sensible response: it's Gadaffi's fault that libya descended into chaos after he was killed? Is that what you're insisting? He started it, so therefore his people should suffer as a result? That makes no sense at all. The intervention was supposed to make the oppressed people of Libya's lives better, as the hypocrite Cameron said. Do you think it has made their lives better?

[questionmark]

You do not believe that the "West" bears any responsibility? It's all gadaffi's fault? Ok, let's try this, to see if I can get any sensible response: it's Gadaffi's fault that libya descended into chaos after he was killed? Is that what you're insisting? He started it, so therefore his people should suffer as a result? That makes no sense at all. The intervention was supposed to make the oppressed people of Libya's lives better, as the hypocrite Cameron said. Do you think it has made their lives better?

Just a little point here: Libya descended into chaos already before Ghadaffi was killed... in fact, he was instrumental in some of the chaos.

[Space Commander Travis]

Boy, this thread gets distracted easily. Now we're talking about how dreadful Vietnam is and how it oppresses their citizens. Perhaps someone (mr. Trump?) might like to recommend a military intervention to bring freedom to the oppressed people of Vietnam? :-?

[Space Commander Travis]

Just a little point here: Libya descended into chaos already before Ghadaffi was killed... in fact, he was instrumental in some of the chaos.

Ah, another defender of Humanitarian intervention. So what does that say about the "Western" humanitarian intervention then? meant (as Mr. cameron said) to make the lives of the oppressed and suffering people of Libya better. Has it done that?

[aztek]

Perhaps someone (mr. Trump?) might like to recommend a military intervention to bring freedom to the oppressed people of Vietnam? :-?

do they want to be free? according to frank they already are, and their country better than usa, no guns, no gangs, (lol), let them live their paradise, or illusion, whatever that is,.