Space Commander Travis Posted June 19, 2015 #26 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) the Neocons??? Don't underestimate the sophistication of their proapaganda machine. They've managed to convince the Western media (if not, thankfully, the people of the West in general) that the coup in Ukraine was a popular uprising against a hated tyrant, that they had absolutely nothing to do with at all. And they've managed to airbrush out the Ukrainian neo-nazi militias entirely, and they haven't committed any atrocities at all. So it really wouldn't be beyond them to plant a story like this to make everyone laugh at the stupid Russkies.Mind you, if you believe that the Washington Post is outrageously liberal there's not really very much I can say. <-- That emotimojicon really doesn't express it strongly enough, but it'll have to do Edited June 19, 2015 by Norbert the Incredible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 19, 2015 #27 Share Posted June 19, 2015 And if they've managed to convince you that President Obama is a liberal/progressive/socialist/communist tyrant who has almost dictatorial powers, that's their greatest achievement of all. The Ministry of Truth is pleased with you, Comrade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atuke Posted June 19, 2015 #28 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I don't know all the facts, but I assume some important people outside of NASA do. I'm with Russia on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czero 101 Posted June 19, 2015 #29 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I don't know all the facts, but I assume some important people outside of NASA do. I'm with Russia on this one. Read this link that ChrLzs posted a few posts ago... No grandiose schemes, no secret plots, just a directive to reuse resources that were in short supply. Cz 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted June 19, 2015 #30 Share Posted June 19, 2015 So he linked the FIFA issue to the APOLLO program. Well, thats a very big loop! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted June 19, 2015 #31 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The Soviet Union fully accepted that the US moon landings were genuine, but apparently Russia, 46 years later, think that they can prove otherwise. If such proof exist why didn't the Soviet Union publish it in the cold war ? That would have been the biggest propaganda coup ever, but they never did that. Maybe, just maybe, that was because no such evidence exist. This is just Russia getting upset that they are being accused of bribing their way to host the world cup. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingswan Posted June 19, 2015 #32 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) For anyone still claiming that this is some Neocon slander of Russia, here's the actual Izvestia link: http://izvestia.ru/news/587742 Here's a Google translation of the relevant paragraph: And, you can help an international investigation, which lost film, taken by astronauts on the moon, or where to hide and no one shows more than 400 kg of lunar soil. No, we are not saying that they did not fly, but only rented movies. But all of these scientific, or maybe cultural artifacts - the heritage of humanity, and traceless disappearance - our common loss. And the investigation will show. Edited June 19, 2015 by flyingswan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted June 19, 2015 #33 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Read this link that ChrLzs posted a few posts ago... No grandiose schemes, no secret plots, just a directive to reuse resources that were in short supply. Cz that article doesn't prove anything other than they are a bunch of amateurs losing original footage of a very historical fact and the most important in the world of science. And there was no shortage of tape supply at that time. It does't make any sense ! Of course this excuse is just another BS in my opinion and the first from many others related to this mission. food for thought: http://listverse.com...ould-be-a-hoax/ Edited June 19, 2015 by qxcontinuum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted June 19, 2015 #34 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Don't underestimate the sophistication of their proapaganda machine. They've managed to convince the Western media (if not, thankfully, the people of the West in general) that the coup in Ukraine was a popular uprising against a hated tyrant, that they had absolutely nothing to do with at all. And they've managed to airbrush out the Ukrainian neo-nazi militias entirely, and they haven't committed any atrocities at all. So it really wouldn't be beyond them to plant a story like this to make everyone laugh at the stupid Russkies. Mind you, if you believe that the Washington Post is outrageously liberal there's not really very much I can say. <-- That emotimojicon really doesn't express it strongly enough, but it'll have to do I'm not going to bother arguing with you because you are so far down the rabbit hole it would be useless but I have a minor reality update for you, 98% of the "west" couldn't tell you where the Ukraine is much less who is fighting who over what. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted June 19, 2015 #35 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The Soviet Union fully accepted that the US moon landings were genuine, but apparently Russia, 46 years later, think that they can prove otherwise. If such proof exist why didn't the Soviet Union publish it in the cold war ? That would have been the biggest propaganda coup ever, but they never did that. Maybe, just maybe, that was because no such evidence exist. This is just Russia getting upset that they are being accused of bribing their way to host the world cup. It's all a neocon plot to make the Russians look bad, according to Norbert, because Ukraine. yeah, I don't understand either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingswan Posted June 19, 2015 #36 Share Posted June 19, 2015 And there was no shortage of tape supply at that time. You have evidence to back this up? Thought not. The problem was sticky-shed syndrome, and the solution was to re-use old tapes that didn't suffer from it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted June 19, 2015 #37 Share Posted June 19, 2015 It's all a neocon plot to make the Russians look bad, according to Norbert, because Ukraine. yeah, I don't understand either. As if the Russians need any help with that, looking bad, that is. BTW, aren't there photos of the actual moon landings sites? Couldn't Russia just look this stuff up on their own and not waste anyone's time with fake-moon-landing codswallop? Doesn't Putin have an invasion to run? Is he that bored of it now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qxcontinuum Posted June 19, 2015 #38 Share Posted June 19, 2015 read the full report on the missing tapes and efforts made to find them here: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/Apollo_11_TV_Tapes_Report.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZDZ Posted June 19, 2015 #39 Share Posted June 19, 2015 The Soviet Union fully accepted that the US moon landings were genuine, but apparently Russia, 46 years later, think that they can prove otherwise. If such proof exist why didn't the Soviet Union publish it in the cold war ? That would have been the biggest propaganda coup ever, but they never did that. Maybe, just maybe, that was because no such evidence exist. This is just Russia getting upset that they are being accused of bribing their way to host the world cup. This didn't start with the soccer scandal, it's just another in a long string of events which started soon after Putin acquired a specific thing. I'm frankly surprised at how this forum has, and continues to avoid the catalyst event. (unless I've been missing the thread it's being discussed on) So who can say what it was, what event soon led to all the Putin saber-rattling? Hint: It sounds like snowed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted June 19, 2015 #40 Share Posted June 19, 2015 This didn't start with the soccer scandal, it's just another in a long string of events which started soon after Putin acquired a specific thing. I'm frankly surprised at how this forum has, and continues to avoid the catalyst event. (unless I've been missing the thread it's being discussed on) So who can say what it was, what event soon led to all the Putin saber-rattling? Hint: It sounds like snowed in. Or maybe something that sounds a lot like Chimera ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted June 19, 2015 #41 Share Posted June 19, 2015 that article doesn't prove anything other than they are a bunch of amateurs losing original footage of a very historical fact and the most important in the world of science. And there was no shortage of tape supply at that time. It does't make any sense ! I read that entire report you linked in post #38 and have a feeling you didn't bother to do the same because if you had read it you would know that there was a tape shortage and that the data that was stored on those tapes wasn't just raw video footage as you seem to think it is but slow scan video that was piggybacked on telemetry data. It isn't hard to imagine this oversight being made when the call came out for replacement tapes. Of course this excuse is just another BS in my opinion and the first from many others related to this mission. food for thought: It is no longer possible to deny the moon landings because we have images of our footprints and tire tracks on the surface as well as the vehicles themselves (see Apollo 12 images). Your opinion is pretty much worthless here, QX, thanks to your continual posting of erroneous information like the above but watching you tackle this one ought to be a lot of fun to watch regardless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czero 101 Posted June 19, 2015 #42 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) that article doesn't prove anything other than they are a bunch of amateurs losing original footage of a very historical fact and the most important in the world of science. Obviously you still don't - more likely just won't - understand, so there's no point in trying to explain it to you again. And there was no shortage of tape supply at that time. It does't make any sense ! And you know this how, exactly? You have records from NASA showing their inventory of blank tapes? You have records from manufacturers showing inventory levels, orders placed and shipped to all NASA facilities everywhere...? You must have some kind of proof for you to make this grand a declaration., so please, bring it forward... we'll wait... Of course this excuse is just another BS in my opinion and the first from many others related to this mission. The only BS being thrown around here is from people like you that think this is any kind of evidence of a cover up or anything that adds any credence whatsoever to the wilfully ignorant and intellectually bankrupt claims of faked Moon landings. Cz Edited June 19, 2015 by Czero 101 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czero 101 Posted June 19, 2015 #43 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Further on this... that article doesn't prove anything other than they are a bunch of amateurs losing original footage of a very historical fact and the most important in the world of science. And yet in your provably wilfully ignorant opinion, this "bunch of amateurs" were able to stage the single most elaborate hoax in the history of mankind that has managed to convince the overwhelming majority of the entire global scientific community for over 45 years yet were stupid enough to leave clues (faked pictures, etc.) that only the scientifically challenged and intellectually lacking are able to see as proof of the hoax...? You do see the contradiction in the untenable position you are clinging to... don't you..? I mean, you DO realize that the two positions above that are necessary for your idea of a hoax to be possible are essentially mutually exclusive...right? Cz 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codenwarra Posted June 19, 2015 #44 Share Posted June 19, 2015 A beat up story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalmoxis Posted June 20, 2015 #45 Share Posted June 20, 2015 You see, the cover up here is that it was a russian spy who erased the NASA moon landing videos. This story proves how crooked the russians are to be like, "oh, we don't know what happened and we will look into it" when it was them all along that erased the videos and took the moon rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atuke Posted June 20, 2015 #46 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Read this link that ChrLzs posted a few posts ago... No grandiose schemes, no secret plots, just a directive to reuse resources that were in short supply. Cz Well that's no fun. Who doesn't like a good conspiracy theory? I'm still with the Soviets on this one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obviousman Posted June 20, 2015 #47 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Well that's no fun. Who doesn't like a good conspiracy theory? I'm still with the Soviets on this one Yeah! It's a conspiracy! No need for facts or logic... what fun would that be, eh? Sooo - was it the KGB or the Illuminati controlling the KGB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Krupe Posted June 20, 2015 #48 Share Posted June 20, 2015 According to a old rumor that I just made up, it was the result of Dr. Frankenstein's experiments. His forays into electricity created a black worm (combination black hole and worm hole) that created a disturbance in the Force, causing Xenu to manifest himself in the trenches of France during WWI, when Nicola Tesla invented X-Rays. This all caused a commotion in the United Federation of Planets, which Clark Kent covered obsessively in the Daily Planet, until he was fired, but since he was actually Superman, he couldn't commit suicide, no matter how despondent he became. It's true, I swear! Google it if you don't believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted June 20, 2015 #49 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Comedy aside, it's still pretty sad that there are some people who still claim, in this day and age, that the Moon landings weren't real. Putin I get, because he likes stirring up trouble and wouldn't mind if the focus wasn't on his national policies for once. Everyone else.../facepalm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schizoid78 Posted June 20, 2015 #50 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Well, the truth is it seems quite difficult to send humans on the moon this days. Why was it easier 40 years go? And I am a bit flabbergasted about the fact that the moon rock dissapeared. S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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