Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 3]

[Abramelin]

And about the Minoans:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/08/minoans-in-germany.html?m=1

And then scroll down till you reach a post by "Toos", and a bit further a post by "eurologist".

You may have studied linguistics, but that doesn't qualify you to pretend to have special knowledge about history.

 

[Abramelin]

Just in case you again shoot from the hip  without even reading the links I posted, here is the text from Dienekes blogspot I wanted you to read:

"Some translation of the first part:

So the really exciting findings are lying  under the late-medieval Rungholt? At least the most surprising. Obviously there are several preceding settlements from the 4th and 3th century BC. One find did almost upset us: we came upon remains of levantine and especially minoan ceramics for transportation and daily use from Crete, 13th and 14th century BC. Among this, sherds of two tripod cookingpots. That's why suppose ships traveling already 1400 BC from Crete to the coast of nortern Frisia.

Would this be antiquities, transported by a modern ship? No. Our findings were lying under a bronze-age layer of peat,  build up - we suspect - already 1200 BC. Indeed during settlements in the middle ages, most of these turflayers were dug off - but nowhere in places to be used for wharfs and houses. And exactly at such a place we discovered the antique ceramics! The pots we found, were highly likely not tradewares, finding their way to northern Frisia by commision-agents. The valueless ceramics for daily use did belong with great certainty to the equipment of a ship.

What could have tempted the Minoans from Crete in the North Sea in the 14th century BC?

So probably a little bit more than one pot."

//

 

"What was found: "transport" and "every-day-usage" (convenience) ceramics from the Levant and, more importantly, Minoan Crete - which would be used and found on a ship, but would normally not be traded long distances over land because of its crude and insignificant appearance. Containers for drinking and eating, lance tips, incence, lapis lazuli (perhaps from Afghanistan?), and a seal with linear-A inscription were among the items.

I think the combination od finds clearly points to a one-time, concentrated "transaction" from a source like a ship.

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Yes Eurologist, that's almost a translation of especially the first paragraph of the second part.

Both english and german are not my mothertongue. Reading no problem, but alas, translating too timeconsuming for doing it all.

What i can add now from the articles, is that it wasn't far from the British islands to Frisia, northern coastal areas where amber came from, beloved by the people of Mykene. That is was possible for Minoans very well to navigate the North Sea about 3300 years ago. And that the finds were of almost no value in exchanging goods.

This added, you have the content of the articles as good as complete."

----End of quote.

[Abramelin]

I know this thread appears to have no end.

And it also appears to me I am the last regular who still posts in this thread.

I am getting a bit tired of repeating myself over and over again, but I do realise that those who just jumped on the bus, didn't read the entire thread. A thread which is in part 3 now.

Ok, here's a link to a page of this thread about the topic at hand:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/227240-oera-linda-book-and-the-great-flood-part-2/page/149/

And scroll down a bit.

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Abramelin

[Hanslune]

20 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I know this thread appears to have no end.

And it also appears to me I am the last regular who still posts in this thread.

I am getting a bit tired of repeating myself over and over again, but I do realise that those who just jumped on the bus, didn't read the entire thread. A thread which is in part 3 now.

Ok, here's a link to a page of this thread about the topic at hand:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/227240-oera-linda-book-and-the-great-flood-part-2/page/149/

And scroll down a bit.

 

If you could it might be useful to paraphrase a short summary of what has been staid and what points have been established or promoted.

[Abramelin]

2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

If you could it might be useful to paraphrase a short summary of what has been staid and what points have been established or promoted.

God, I hope you realize what you are asking from me!

You want 'a short summary' of what has been said, and so on.

This thread has been going on for many years now, and just yesterday I have been reading a part of part III of this thread. A part where I was absent because I had no - easy - excess to the internet.

And now you ask me for a short summary, while my only access to the internet is this smartphone.

Well, it may take a while.....

Btw, I still wonder where all the regulars have gone. Where is Puzzler. Otharus, Pierre Jakob, Eli, Van Gorp, and so on?

During my absence something must have happened. I know several regular posters have died: Alewyn, 'Apol', Menno Knul, and god knows who.

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Abramelin

[Hanslune]

5 hours ago, Abramelin said:

God, I hope you realize what you are asking from me!

You want 'a short summary' of what has been said, and so on.

This thread has been going on for many years now, and just yesterday I have been reading a part of part III of this thread. A part where I was absent because I had no - easy - excess to the internet.

And now you ask me for a short summary, while my only access to the internet is this smartphone.

Well, it may take a while.....

Btw, I still wonder where all the regulars have gone. Where is Puzzler. Otharus, Pierre Jakob, Eli, Van Gorp, and so on?

During my absence something must have happened. I know several regular posters have died: Alewyn, 'Apol', Menno Knul, and god knows who.

 

 

 

I know you like a challenge....perhaps it would help if I ask a question. Is it actually about

Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood? I suspect its expanded far beyond that?

 

[Abramelin]

19 hours ago, Hanslune said:

I know you like a challenge....perhaps it would help if I ask a question. Is it actually about

Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood? I suspect its expanded far beyond that?

 

Yes, according to me it did expand far beyond the OLB.

But now I'd really like to hear what Piney thinks about Mailhammer's book on strong verbs in German, and what I posted about the Minoans.

[Piney]

On 8/25/2020 at 12:19 PM, Abramelin said:

You may have studied linguistics, but that doesn't qualify you to pretend to have special knowledge about history.

I also have a background in archaeology, theology and ancient history and worked for Smithsonian and the Silk Road Foundation as a Cultural Resources Specialist and field tech. 

[Piney]

On 8/25/2020 at 12:19 PM, Abramelin said:

And about the Minoans:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/08/minoans-in-germany.html?m=1

And then scroll down till you reach a post by "Toos", and a bit further a post by "eurologist".

You may have studied linguistics, but that doesn't qualify you to pretend to have special knowledge about history.

Horse manure. The logistics make it costly and unprofitable. The Greeks traded with the Celts and used those ceramics. The Celts probably carried them up. 

The Minoans made a mint in North Africa and the Middle East. They wouldn't waste their time. 

[Abramelin]

6 minutes ago, Piney said:

Horse manure. The logistics make it costly and unprofitable. The Greeks traded with the Celts and used those ceramics. The Celts probably carried them up. 

The Minoans made a mint in North Africa and the Middle East. They wouldn't waste their time. 

So you didn't read the translation of the German text on Dienekes blogspot.

[Abramelin]

14 minutes ago, Piney said:

I also have a background in archaeology, theology and ancient history and worked for Smithsonian and the Silk Road Foundation as a Cultural Resources Specialist and field tech. 

That's just great!

Now, please tell me what you think of Mailhammer's book.

[Piney]

Just now, Abramelin said:

So you didn't read the translation of the German text on Dienekes blogspot.

I skimmed it. I just got T-boned in my Hyundai and I'm a bit fried.

I just know from a logistics point of view ( see: Silk Road Foundation) it makes no sense whatsoever. 

and it was tin from Cornwall. Not pewter. 

[Piney]

Just now, Abramelin said:

That's just great!

Now, please tell me what you think of Mailhammer's book.

See my last post......I'm guessing it's German Nationalist horse manure though. 

[Abramelin]

8 minutes ago, Piney said:

See my last post......I'm guessing it's German Nationalist horse manure though. 

You are guessing...

It's about Semitic influence on the Germanic language.

Please, if you have no desire to read the book, then don't post your 'opinion' about it.

[Abramelin]

13 minutes ago, Piney said:

I skimmed it. I just got T-boned in my Hyundai and I'm a bit fried.

I just know from a logistics point of view ( see: Silk Road Foundation) it makes no sense whatsoever. 

and it was tin from Cornwall. Not pewter. 

Then read it again, and then it will make sense.

[Piney]

On 8/25/2020 at 11:57 AM, Abramelin said:

Ok. So what did you read in Mailhammers book that convinced you he is wrong?

 

I'm not going into fine details but Semitic is not related to Minoan or German. If it was we could figure out Minoan.

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

It's about Semitic influence on the Germanic language.

Study some Rabbinical Hebrew. There isn't any. 

[Abramelin]

23 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm not going into fine details but Semitic is not related to Minoan or German. If it was we could figure out Minoan.

There are several linguists who claim that Minoan is a Semitic language.

Please, GO into details.

[Abramelin]

25 minutes ago, Piney said:

Study some Rabbinical Hebrew. There isn't any. 

But this is not about Rabbinical Hebrew.

[Abramelin]

You have not the faintest clue, right? Just guessing what it's all about and pretending you do know.

Heh.

[Piney]

2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

You have not the faintest clue, right? Just guessing what it's all about and pretending you do know.

Heh.

No, I don't waste my time with something so lamebrained that is used by racists. 

I know some Old English, My mother was from Bronte Country and I speak the Middle English and some Swedish and it ain't related to Semite. 

 

[Piney]

13 hours ago, Abramelin said:

You have not the faintest clue, right? Just guessing what it's all about and pretending you do know.

Heh.

I was going to say this before I was bopped with a airbag.

Genetics. There is no trace of Semitic genes in Minoans or Northern Europeans. 

[Thanos5150]

6 hours ago, Piney said:

I was going to say this before I was bopped with a airbag.

Genetics. There is no trace of Semitic genes in Minoans or Northern Europeans. 

I don't want to upset anyone again with the facts, but Semite is a language group, not a race of people- an outdated racist notion.   

6 hours ago, Piney said:

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The origins of the Bronze Age Minoan and Mycenaean cultures have puzzled archaeologists for more than a century. We assembled genome-wide data from nineteen ancient individuals, including Minoans from Crete, Mycenaeans from mainland Greece, and their eastern neighbours from southwestern Anatolia. We show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean, and most of the remainder from ancient populations like those of the Caucasus and Iran.

Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

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"Minoans, Mycenaeans, and modern Greeks also had some ancestry related to the ancient people of the Caucasus, Armenia, and Iran. This finding suggests that some migration occurred in the Aegean and southwestern Anatolia from further east after the time of the earliest farmers," said Lazaridis.

Ancient DNA analysis reveals Minoan and Mycenaean origins

So again, no, they do share some common genetic heritage as of course Semitic peoples have strong genetic affinities to this region as well. 

 

[Kismit]

posters are reminded to keep things civil

[Piney]

16 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

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"Minoans, Mycenaeans, and modern Greeks also had some ancestry related to the ancient people of the Caucasus, Armenia, and Iran. This finding suggests that some migration occurred in the Aegean and southwestern Anatolia from further east after the time of the earliest farmers," said Lazaridis.

 

The Greek language leans more towards the Indo- Iranian in my eyes. The hunter gathers of the Caucasus did contribute their genes to the Yamnaya ( Proto-Indo Europeans) so that influence could of entered the pool earlier.