Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 3]

[Abramelin]

5 minutes ago, Piney said:

From a business standpoint it makes absolutely no logistic sense. It's a unprofitable waste. 

They may have visited the tin sources in Cornwall, and sailed up The Channel into the North Sea.

[Abramelin]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

It's a completely nonsensical statement. 

Only Afro-centrists and other fringies. 

I forgot to add that Malta was part of the Atlantic Megalithic Culture along with Sicily and Corsica. 

I know about those Afro-centrists, so I posted a link to genetics.

 

[Abramelin]

50 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

They may have visited the tin sources in Cornwall, and sailed up The Channel into the North Sea.

And here again a link to Dienekes' blogspot, about Minoans in the German Bight (Rungholt):

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/08/minoans-in-germany.html?m=1

With a translation of the German text below it.

The main argument that it may actually have happened is the find of Minoan ships utensils, not trade wares.

[Abramelin]

Hanslalune wanted a summary, but maybe it would be best to see 'how it all started':

Part I of this thread:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/184645-archivedoera-linda-book-and-the-great-flood/#entry3670892

Edited August 30, 2020 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

This is more like Piney suggested, commercial contact between Mycene and Bavaria:

https://www.academia.edu/26675774/Bernstorf_Janko_Bayerische_Vorgeschichtsblaetter

And scroll down till the pdf. No download necessary.

EDIT:

No worries, it's in English.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Abramelin

[Hanslune]

3 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Hanslalune wanted a summary, but maybe it would be best to see 'how it all started':

Part I of this thread:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/184645-archivedoera-linda-book-and-the-great-flood/#entry3670892

Ah thanks yes the first few posts say all that is necessary.

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OMG, the Oera Linda Bo(o)k is a known hoax.

So ten years ago you guys decided to talk about it for a decade? Hmmm remarkable.

So in conclusion is it still a hoax?

 

[Abramelin]

21 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Ah thanks yes the first few posts say all that is necessary.

So ten years ago you guys decided to talk about it for a decade? Hmmm remarkable.

So in conclusion is it still a hoax?

 

I am convinced that it is a mystification, a fairy tale, a joke, a hoax, you name it.

The 'others' who were chased off (?) believed the OLB to be a true, ancient manuscript.

So, to prove it was truely ancient (ie.: from ca. 600 bce), they did their best using dictionaries that dealt with 12th, 13th or 14th century Old Frisian, to prove their point... heh.

Or, they fabricated their own 'etymology'.

And that this thread was able to continue for 10 years is because we all, skeptics and believers alike, had great fun with it.

Well  I had.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Abramelin

[Piney]

8 hours ago, Abramelin said:

And here again a link to Dienekes' blogspot, about Minoans in the German Bight (Rungholt):

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/08/minoans-in-germany.html?m=1

With a translation of the German text below it.

The main argument that it may actually have happened is the find of Minoan ships utensils, not trade wares.

I saw this and it could of been Greeks too because they recycled Minoan stuff or it could of been trade even though it wasn't meant to be.

9 hours ago, Abramelin said:

They may have visited the tin sources in Cornwall, and sailed up The Channel into the North Sea.

No doubt the Phoenicians did, but Scandinavia had nothing they needed. Nor were they cold weather people.

My Hawaiian bred grandchild flash freezes at 60 F. 

[Hanslune]

10 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I am convinced that it is a mystification, a fairy tale, a joke, a hoax, you name it.

The 'others' who were chased off (?) believed the OLB to be a true, ancient manuscript.

So, to prove it was truely ancient (ie.: from ca. 600 bce), they did their best using dictionaries that dealt with 12th, 13th or 14th century Old Frisian, to prove their point... heh.

Or, they fabricated their own 'etymology'.

And that this thread was able to continue for 10 years is because we all, skeptics and believers alike, had great fun with it.

Well  I had.

Thanks - yeah that is all one can ask for from a long debate, satisfaction in the answer.

[Piney]

14 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Or, they fabricated their own 'etymology'.

The whole "inca" thing would twist my nards. 

 

14 hours ago, Abramelin said:

The 'others' who were chased off (?) believed the OLB to be a true, ancient manuscript.

I don't think Skirum did. I hope he's ok. We had some great private conversations about Nordic and Finno-Urgic mythology and theology. Because of all the Uralic ideas in the Nordic Religion, I think Germanic actually has a very distant Uralic substrate. A dialect as far away from the current ones as Finnish is to Nganasan. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic

[Hanslune]

8 hours ago, Piney said:

The whole "inca" thing would twist my nards. 

 

I don't think Skirum did. I hope he's ok. We had some great private conversations about Nordic and Finno-Urgic mythology and theology. Because of all the Uralic ideas in the Nordic Religion, I think Germanic actually has a very distant Uralic substrate. A dialect as far away from the current ones as Finnish is to Nganasan. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Uralic

I have zero knowledge about Proto-Uralic but his pdf showed up a day or so ago in the feed from Academia: Haven't look at the following but it as 'Uralic' in it!

https://www.academia.edu/29700240/UPDATED_INTERPRETATION_OF_THE_OUTDATED_19th_CENTURY_INTERPRETATION_OF_URALIC_LINGUISTICS

UPDATED INTERPRETATION OF THE OUTDATED 19th CENTURY INTERPRETATION OF "URALIC" LINGUISTICS

Edited August 31, 2020 by Hanslune

[Abramelin]

The map in your pdf I have posted in the Doggerland thread. Why? To show it was possible for people to use the icelakes bordering the icesheets to travel from Siberia to the North Sea area. And by that spread their language.

This is what Piney posted:

"I think Germanic actually has a very distant Uralic substrate."

Link to the Doggerland thread:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/179840-doggerland/

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

I have posted a summary of the Doggerland thread, in that thread:

-1- Doggerland was a large stretch of land that became inhabited soon after the end of the last ice age, and became a good place for humans to live in, after a couple of thousand years (lets say from 8500 - 6100 BC)

-2- The culture of Doggerland was part of the Maglemosian culture (ca. 9500 BCE–6000) BCE) that existed in Northern Europe (from Britain to the Baltic)

-3- They were very probably seafarers

-4- The language spoken by the ancient Doggerlanders may have been (proto)-Finno-Ugric

-5- Doggerland got flooded and whiped from the map by a giant tsunami at around 6100 BC (the Storegga Slide). At 6100 BC -before it got hit by the Storegga tsunami - all that was left of Doggerland was an island the size of Ireland

-6- Those who survived the deluge (by being at a safe enough distance, or surfing the hell out of there by riding the tsunami, lol) fled to Scotland, England, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

-7- There are scientific clues (linguistic and genetic) that Doggerland was some sort of original homeland to many peoples now living at the borders of the North Sea

-8- It's possible (is it??) that the ancient Picts were the last remnants of the Doggerlanders who had survived the deluge. Maybe a relation with the Fomorians in the oldest Irish legends

-9- No idea at all, but maybe Nehalennia was the name of an ancient seagoddess worshipped long before the existence of Celtic and Germanic tribes at the coasts of the North Sea and maybe they - Celts and Germans - took over the worship (using slightly altered names, like "Elen", "Holle", "Hel", "Hulda" and so on. Maybe these Celtic and Germanic tribes were nothing but the offspring of these Doggerlanders, and maybe a mix of these Doggerlanders with people who came later to north-western Europe

-10- The Germanic name "Hel" or Celtic "Hal" (and lots of similar names) are the names of the old North Sea. There are even pilgrim roads through Germany and the Netherlands that are called "Hellweg", literally, "Road to Hell", Hell being the old name of the North Sea before the Christians stole it.

Over time the name Hell became synonym for everything evil. Maybe "hell" was connected to the original name of Doggerland, in some proto -IE or proto Finno Ugric language.

-11- Doggerland may have been the place of origin of the 'white people' (god knows why, but some geneticists believe this to be true)

-12- The Oera Linda Book, a proven hoax btw, may have used ancient (and unknown Frisian or other) legends as a source. Btw, the Frisians are genetically distinct from other people living around the North Sea, and they were there, very probably millenia ago. And they built clay/stone mounts to live on, whole villages were on those 'terps'.

-13- (I almost forgot) Some think that ancient seafarers (from the western Mediterranean) depicted the remnants of Doggerland in petroglyphs in present Portugal ( Aboboreira/ "How the Sun God reached America") as a dangerous area in the North Sea, an area to avoid. But that must have been after Doggerland sank beneath the waves, and only left a dangerous sand bank ("Doggers Bank")

-14- A guess: are the present Frisians the descendants of those Doggerlanders??? And did their ancestors indeed sail the seas and oceans back then, and did they influence the cultures of the countries they landed upon/in (I don't know the right English word for it)??

-15- If Doggerland was the homeland of white people, and if it is true that they fled it when they saw it being submerged, what did they do?? Flee as far as they could? Tell other people they met on their voyages - being seafarers - about what had happened to them or their kin??

-16- Was Doggerland "Hyperborea"? If the survivors of that deluge fled to everywhere, on ship or on land, crossing Europe, they may have met the ancestors of Homer and told them their story. They had already established the amber routes across Europe...

-17- Were they the ones who started the Megalithic culture across western Europe? And if so, why??

-18- Hmmmm......maybe the Celts (of Ireland, Scotland and Wales) had a name for Doggerland ( a name they would much later use for Scandinavia and/or North West Germany), and that name would be "Lochlan" (and lots of different spellings).

-19- Stonehenge may have been a 'healing' culture, and may also have been a sacred burial ground for the Doggerlanders

-20- "Lochlan", an Irish Gaelic word for 'Land of Lakes' is an appropriate word for Doggerland, because scientists have found out Doggerland was a land of rivers, marshes, woodlands, and lakes.

-21- Lochlan/Doggerland may have been the place of origin of the Fo®morians and/or Cuithne, and/or Tuatha De Danann as described in ancient Irish legends

-22- At present the Scots have the following names for the North Sea :

Muir Lochlainn = North Sea
Mhuir a Tuath = North Sea


-23- Heh, maybe good ol' Tolkien dreamt about its destruction by a 'giant, silent Wave' (genetic memory, or something. Well, it earned him a lot of fame and money, right?

-24- Did ancient Native Americans travel to Doggerland along the Gulf Stream ( think "Red Paint People/Maritime Archaic")? Were they the 'dark haired, dark skinned' Fomorians? You tell me... (there are reports dating from Roman times up to just a couple of centuries ago of Inuit arriving in Scotland, Ireland and Holland in their canoes).

-25- There are those who say that Doggerland may have existed long after the Storegga Slide because it's inhabitants build dikes to protect them (Deruelle).

-26- Juergen Spanuth published a book (1953) about his theory that Atlantis was located in the North, and that Atlantis City was nothing but Helgoland. I don't agree with his theory, but he used finds on the bottom of the sea, west of Denmark.

-27- The Megalithic Culture of western Europe may have originated in Doggerland; these people built huge structures using tree trunks; these structures were destroyed by the Storegga Slide; after that they sailed out to the countries they already knew of, and started building using a more durable material: stone.

-28- Submerged megalithic structures have been found òn the bottom of the sea, off the coasts of Orkney.

-29- Doggerlanders were fishers and seafarers, and they may have sailed up the Elbe river into the center of Europe, and thus influencing much of the European culture with their stories and myths.

-29- Volcanoes erupting in the Eifel region of Germany, around 13,000 BC, may have forced people to flee to the north west of that region: Doggerland (and of course the countries near Doggerland. A large area was made uninhabitable for ages across a large stretch of Europe: northern France, west and north Germany. Food was poisoned, water was undrinkable, people died.

-30- Long after Doggerland finally sank beneath the waves, people remembered it. They even gave offers to the sea (the North Sea) in the form of stone age axes, beautifully and smooth tools that were seen as very special around that time.

-31- Stonehenge and similar structures in the other British Isles and Ireland may have been built by the refugees of Doggerland, but now they used stone instead of oak trees that were abundant on Doggerland.
But not immediately: first they used these oaks (Tara Hill, Ireland, or the wooden structures that preceded Stonehenge).

-32- Most of these structures are connected with some death cult, and on the east coast of England they found the remnants of a wooden circular structure, and a scientist said it was made for the dead, and that the ancients may have ferried their dead across the North Sea, to an 'Island of the Dead'. Dogger Island, perhaps??

-33- The Doggerlanders were whalers (amongst other professions), they were not too afraid to sail the oceans. When they fled after their homeland got flooded, they went to the countries they had encountered during their voyages and hunting parties.

-34- All over the world, but especially in Scotland, the British Isles in general, and Ireland (and Scandinavia) they found socalled 'cup-and-circle' petroglyphs.

Many of these circles are concentric circles with a 'tail' form center to outer circle, accompanied with 'cups'.

From what I gathered around the internet, these symbols could well represent an impact of a spiraling comet (creating a huge and spectacular image across the ancient heavens) that impacted into the north of the present North Sea (west of Norway), causing the Storegga Slide, and subsequently causing the huge tsunami that flooded the remnants of Doggerland.

Petroglyphs like that are found all over the earth, but most in N/W Europe.

-35- According to one theory, around 6100 BC a swarm of 'bolids' impacted on earth (Tollmann).

-36- More recent and circular labyrinths are - according to me - depictions of this same event. The 'entrance' of the labyrinth being equal to the tail of the comet that destroyed land 6100 BC.

Labyrinths all over the earth have to do with 'death at the center', Death, another life, the afterlife, whatever comes after the maggots start eating our flesh. The center of the spiraling comet was of course the comet itself, the rock that eventually impacted into the North Sea, and caused the death of many thousands of people.

These labyrinths are rather similar all over the earth, but in the Americas that socalled 'entrance' is always at the top of the labyrinth, while in Europe and India that entrance is at the bottom. I think that is caused by where the people watching that heavenly event were located on earth.

-37- I think I found a representation ( petroglyphs in Wales) of a spiraling comet impacting into the North Sea.... wishful thinking, no doubt.

 

Edited August 31, 2020 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

On 8/31/2020 at 12:25 AM, Piney said:

No doubt the Phoenicians did, but Scandinavia had nothing they needed. Nor were they cold weather people.

My Hawaiian bred grandchild flash freezes at 60 F. 

One reason the Phoenicians and/or Minoans wanted to visit Scandinavia, particularly Norway, were the huge occurences of native silver in the Kongsberg area. This region once held the world's largest deposits of silver, evidenced by thousands of small silvermines, along with big ones, scattered over a vast area in the forests and mountains surrounding the town

Edited September 1, 2020 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

You may be interested in this link:

https://jarnaes.wordpress.com/1-minoan-crete-linear-a/

[Ozymandias]

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Edited September 1, 2020 by Ozymandias

[jmccr8]

On 8/31/2020 at 12:34 PM, Abramelin said:

I have posted a summary of the Doggerland thread, in that thread:

-1- Doggerland was a large stretch of land that became inhabited soon after the end of the last ice age, and became a good place for humans to live in, after a couple of thousand years (lets say from 8500 - 6100 BC)

-2- The culture of Doggerland was part of the Maglemosian culture (ca. 9500 BCE–6000) BCE) that existed in Northern Europe (from Britain to the Baltic)

-3- They were very probably seafarers

-4- The language spoken by the ancient Doggerlanders may have been (proto)-Finno-Ugric

-5- Doggerland got flooded and whiped from the map by a giant tsunami at around 6100 BC (the Storegga Slide). At 6100 BC -before it got hit by the Storegga tsunami - all that was left of Doggerland was an island the size of Ireland

-6- Those who survived the deluge (by being at a safe enough distance, or surfing the hell out of there by riding the tsunami, lol) fled to Scotland, England, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

-7- There are scientific clues (linguistic and genetic) that Doggerland was some sort of original homeland to many peoples now living at the borders of the North Sea

-8- It's possible (is it??) that the ancient Picts were the last remnants of the Doggerlanders who had survived the deluge. Maybe a relation with the Fomorians in the oldest Irish legends

-9- No idea at all, but maybe Nehalennia was the name of an ancient seagoddess worshipped long before the existence of Celtic and Germanic tribes at the coasts of the North Sea and maybe they - Celts and Germans - took over the worship (using slightly altered names, like "Elen", "Holle", "Hel", "Hulda" and so on. Maybe these Celtic and Germanic tribes were nothing but the offspring of these Doggerlanders, and maybe a mix of these Doggerlanders with people who came later to north-western Europe

-10- The Germanic name "Hel" or Celtic "Hal" (and lots of similar names) are the names of the old North Sea. There are even pilgrim roads through Germany and the Netherlands that are called "Hellweg", literally, "Road to Hell", Hell being the old name of the North Sea before the Christians stole it.

Over time the name Hell became synonym for everything evil. Maybe "hell" was connected to the original name of Doggerland, in some proto -IE or proto Finno Ugric language.

-11- Doggerland may have been the place of origin of the 'white people' (god knows why, but some geneticists believe this to be true)

-12- The Oera Linda Book, a proven hoax btw, may have used ancient (and unknown Frisian or other) legends as a source. Btw, the Frisians are genetically distinct from other people living around the North Sea, and they were there, very probably millenia ago. And they built clay/stone mounts to live on, whole villages were on those 'terps'.

-13- (I almost forgot) Some think that ancient seafarers (from the western Mediterranean) depicted the remnants of Doggerland in petroglyphs in present Portugal ( Aboboreira/ "How the Sun God reached America") as a dangerous area in the North Sea, an area to avoid. But that must have been after Doggerland sank beneath the waves, and only left a dangerous sand bank ("Doggers Bank")

-14- A guess: are the present Frisians the descendants of those Doggerlanders??? And did their ancestors indeed sail the seas and oceans back then, and did they influence the cultures of the countries they landed upon/in (I don't know the right English word for it)??

-15- If Doggerland was the homeland of white people, and if it is true that they fled it when they saw it being submerged, what did they do?? Flee as far as they could? Tell other people they met on their voyages - being seafarers - about what had happened to them or their kin??

-16- Was Doggerland "Hyperborea"? If the survivors of that deluge fled to everywhere, on ship or on land, crossing Europe, they may have met the ancestors of Homer and told them their story. They had already established the amber routes across Europe...

-17- Were they the ones who started the Megalithic culture across western Europe? And if so, why??

-18- Hmmmm......maybe the Celts (of Ireland, Scotland and Wales) had a name for Doggerland ( a name they would much later use for Scandinavia and/or North West Germany), and that name would be "Lochlan" (and lots of different spellings).

-19- Stonehenge may have been a 'healing' culture, and may also have been a sacred burial ground for the Doggerlanders

-20- "Lochlan", an Irish Gaelic word for 'Land of Lakes' is an appropriate word for Doggerland, because scientists have found out Doggerland was a land of rivers, marshes, woodlands, and lakes.

-21- Lochlan/Doggerland may have been the place of origin of the Fo®morians and/or Cuithne, and/or Tuatha De Danann as described in ancient Irish legends

-22- At present the Scots have the following names for the North Sea :

Muir Lochlainn = North Sea
Mhuir a Tuath = North Sea


-23- Heh, maybe good ol' Tolkien dreamt about its destruction by a 'giant, silent Wave' (genetic memory, or something. Well, it earned him a lot of fame and money, right?

-24- Did ancient Native Americans travel to Doggerland along the Gulf Stream ( think "Red Paint People/Maritime Archaic")? Were they the 'dark haired, dark skinned' Fomorians? You tell me... (there are reports dating from Roman times up to just a couple of centuries ago of Inuit arriving in Scotland, Ireland and Holland in their canoes).

-25- There are those who say that Doggerland may have existed long after the Storegga Slide because it's inhabitants build dikes to protect them (Deruelle).

-26- Juergen Spanuth published a book (1953) about his theory that Atlantis was located in the North, and that Atlantis City was nothing but Helgoland. I don't agree with his theory, but he used finds on the bottom of the sea, west of Denmark.

-27- The Megalithic Culture of western Europe may have originated in Doggerland; these people built huge structures using tree trunks; these structures were destroyed by the Storegga Slide; after that they sailed out to the countries they already knew of, and started building using a more durable material: stone.

-28- Submerged megalithic structures have been found òn the bottom of the sea, off the coasts of Orkney.

-29- Doggerlanders were fishers and seafarers, and they may have sailed up the Elbe river into the center of Europe, and thus influencing much of the European culture with their stories and myths.

-29- Volcanoes erupting in the Eifel region of Germany, around 13,000 BC, may have forced people to flee to the north west of that region: Doggerland (and of course the countries near Doggerland. A large area was made uninhabitable for ages across a large stretch of Europe: northern France, west and north Germany. Food was poisoned, water was undrinkable, people died.

-30- Long after Doggerland finally sank beneath the waves, people remembered it. They even gave offers to the sea (the North Sea) in the form of stone age axes, beautifully and smooth tools that were seen as very special around that time.

-31- Stonehenge and similar structures in the other British Isles and Ireland may have been built by the refugees of Doggerland, but now they used stone instead of oak trees that were abundant on Doggerland.
But not immediately: first they used these oaks (Tara Hill, Ireland, or the wooden structures that preceded Stonehenge).

-32- Most of these structures are connected with some death cult, and on the east coast of England they found the remnants of a wooden circular structure, and a scientist said it was made for the dead, and that the ancients may have ferried their dead across the North Sea, to an 'Island of the Dead'. Dogger Island, perhaps??

-33- The Doggerlanders were whalers (amongst other professions), they were not too afraid to sail the oceans. When they fled after their homeland got flooded, they went to the countries they had encountered during their voyages and hunting parties.

-34- All over the world, but especially in Scotland, the British Isles in general, and Ireland (and Scandinavia) they found socalled 'cup-and-circle' petroglyphs.

Many of these circles are concentric circles with a 'tail' form center to outer circle, accompanied with 'cups'.

From what I gathered around the internet, these symbols could well represent an impact of a spiraling comet (creating a huge and spectacular image across the ancient heavens) that impacted into the north of the present North Sea (west of Norway), causing the Storegga Slide, and subsequently causing the huge tsunami that flooded the remnants of Doggerland.

Petroglyphs like that are found all over the earth, but most in N/W Europe.

-35- According to one theory, around 6100 BC a swarm of 'bolids' impacted on earth (Tollmann).

-36- More recent and circular labyrinths are - according to me - depictions of this same event. The 'entrance' of the labyrinth being equal to the tail of the comet that destroyed land 6100 BC.

Labyrinths all over the earth have to do with 'death at the center', Death, another life, the afterlife, whatever comes after the maggots start eating our flesh. The center of the spiraling comet was of course the comet itself, the rock that eventually impacted into the North Sea, and caused the death of many thousands of people.

These labyrinths are rather similar all over the earth, but in the Americas that socalled 'entrance' is always at the top of the labyrinth, while in Europe and India that entrance is at the bottom. I think that is caused by where the people watching that heavenly event were located on earth.

-37- I think I found a representation ( petroglyphs in Wales) of a spiraling comet impacting into the North Sea.... wishful thinking, no doubt.

 

Hi Abe

Thanks for taking the time to make a summery.

jmccr8

[Piney]

On 8/31/2020 at 2:34 PM, Abramelin said:

-37- I think I found a representation ( petroglyphs in Wales) of a spiraling comet impacting into the North Sea.... wishful thinking, no doubt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaali_crater 

[Ozymandias]

On 8/31/2020 at 7:34 PM, Abramelin said:

...............................

-18- Hmmmm......maybe the Celts (of Ireland, Scotland and Wales) had a name for Doggerland ( a name they would much later use for Scandinavia and/or North West Germany), and that name would be "Lochlan" (and lots of different spellings).

-19- Stonehenge may have been a 'healing' culture, and may also have been a sacred burial ground for the Doggerlanders

-20- "Lochlan", an Irish Gaelic word for 'Land of Lakes' is an appropriate word for Doggerland, because scientists have found out Doggerland was a land of rivers, marshes, woodlands, and lakes.

-21- Lochlan/Doggerland may have been the place of origin of the Fo®morians and/or Cuithne, and/or Tuatha De Danann as described in ancient Irish legends

-22- At present the Scots have the following names for the North Sea :

Muir Lochlainn = North Sea
Mhuir a Tuath = North Sea

........................................

 

Lochlann is the Irish/Gaelic name for Scandinavia and, by association, lochlannaigh was the name the 9th century Irish gave to the Vikings who began pillaging their shores. Doggerland was submerged before 6000BCE.There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the pre-6000BCE Irish called Doggerland Lochlann. In any case Lochlann is Celtic, and there is even less evidence that the pre-6000BCE Irish spoke a Celtic language. The word Lochlann does mean 'land or place of lochs' where the Irish [Celtic] word loch means a lake, a sea inlet, or even just the sea. It is a perfect description of Norway with its fjord-indented coastline. Muir Lochlainn is the North Sea but means the Scandinavian Sea. Your association of Doggerland with Lochlann is wholly speculative and has little merit.

Fomorians is an Anglicisation of the Old Irish Fomóire/Fomóirí. Modern etymologists and linguists largely agree that this word is made up of the prefix fo (= beneath, under) and mór/mor (= death, demon) from IE root-word 'mer' , to die or harm, thus giving a meaning of Fomorians = underworld demons, or the like, and therefore suggesting the possibility that they were euhemerised gods of the otherworld. Note that mór/mor (= death, demon) is related to modern words such as mortal, morbid and nightmare. Only medieval Irish antiquarians suggested (in their ignorance of philology and etymology) that the name Fomóire (Fomorians) meant 'people from under the sea' based on equating the 'mor' part of the word with the Irish word muir (= sea), i.e. 'the undersea ones'.  

[Abramelin]

Maybe you should read the Doggerland thread, so you can see why I came to those conclusions.

[Abramelin]

11 hours ago, Piney said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaali_crater 

The problem with the Kaali crater is that it was formed too recently. If indeed the Storrega Slide was caused by an impact in the North Sea, or somewhere, west of Norway, then it should have happened around 6100 bce.

[Skirnum]

On 8/31/2020 at 10:05 AM, Piney said:

I don't think Skirum did. I hope he's ok. We had some great private conversations about Nordic and Finno-Urgic mythology and theology.

Thanks Piney, I'm fine. My thoughts were mostly about these three ladies not being about races. But that these Norns or Matrons were about what governs the fate of people. As in cause and effect :-)

[Ozymandias]

14 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Maybe you should read the Doggerland thread, so you can see why I came to those conclusions.

Could you supply me with a link, please. I cannot find it despite conducting a search. 

[Abramelin]

5 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

Could you supply me with a link, please. I cannot find it despite conducting a search. 

That's odd, because I posted the link a few days ago.

Anyway, here it is again:

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/179840-doggerland/

[Abramelin]

Ozymandias, I wasn't suggesting that Gealic/Celtic was the language spoken in Doggerland. As I posted in the summary, the language of the Doggerlanders was probably proto-Finno-Ugric.

But their name for their homeland may have been translated into Gealic as Lochlann. Some catastrophic events linger on a very long time in myths and legends, and then the area where it all happened gets a new name by the people who hear of the story for the first time.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Abramelin