Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 3]

[Ott]

I subtitled an old Dutch short film with many JOL symbols (6 spoke wheel). In the video it is called "six-star".

Edited September 28, 2015 by Jan Ott

[SSilhouette]

Around 500BC by Hanno the Phoenician.

OK, maybe by then in flat bottomed boats?

[The Puzzler]

Around 500BC by Hanno the Phoenician.

Actually Hanno was a colonizing navigator who only sailed as far as the Gulf of Guinea but the expedition led by Necho II of Egypt from the Red Sea did go around the bottom of Africa, similar time frame though 500-600BC.

[The Puzzler]

OK, maybe by then in flat bottomed boats?

As opposed to what?...

Phoenician ships sailed these journeys.

[SSilhouette]

As opposed to what?...

Phoenician ships sailed these journeys.

Well, I dunno. I was assuming since there were lagoons that let them sail around the south tip of Libya that they would be flat bottomed. I know virtually nothing of the construction of water craft back at that time so I defer to you.

[The Puzzler]

Well, I dunno. I was assuming since there were lagoons that let them sail around the south tip of Libya that they would be flat bottomed. I know virtually nothing of the construction of water craft back at that time so I defer to you.

Lol well, I love your honesty.

[The Puzzler]

My post 196 showed that an ancient canal pre-1000BC existed that could connect the Mediterranean to the Ballah lakes and in turn (IMO possible from the geology) to the Bitter lakes seasonally, to the Bronze Age, on an earthquake fault, the Pelusiac line, which closes the subject there for me, as I think it would not have been IMPOSSIBLE for OLB said events to have occurred according to the studies I submitted for evidences.

[Ott]

Depiction of Friso by Pieter van den Berge, printed in H. Soeteboom, Oud-heden van Zaan-land, Stavoren, Vronen en Waterland (1702):

[Ott]

Depiction of Friso, Adel and "Asinga Ascon" ("Áskar" in OLB) by Simon Frisius, printed in Winsemius, P.W., Chronique ofte Historische geschiedenisse van Vrieslant (1622):

[Ott]

It is telling that the sources from which the above illustrations were taken are hardly studied, referred to or even accessible* in the Netherlands.

* I mean, they are not even transcripted yet.

[Abramelin]

I have posted about the 'tex', the OLB/Frya rules and regulations written on the walls of the burghs.

I have suggested that that word, 'tex', might have been the result of metathesis: tex(=teks) >> kest. 'Kest' is the word used in those Old Frisian Law texts when they mention regulations. But what I found by leafing through an etymological dictionary is better:

Dutch:

Etymologisch Woordenboek door J. de Vries en F. de Tollenaere (1983, Prisma Handwoordenboek, uitg. Het Spectrum, Utrecht/Antwerpen)

dissel 1: 'bijl', mnl. dissel, vgl. ohd. dehsala (nhd. dial. dechsel), mnd. desele, on. þexla. Hierbij ook rus. teslá 'bijl', lat. telum (< *tekslum) 'werpwapen'. Vooral in de afl. bedisselen, eig. 'met de bijl bewerken'. [bedisselen: regelen, voor elkaar brengen; past dus mooi als 'etymologie' voor het OLB 'tex' en 'texland': 'regels' en 'land waar alles wordt geregeld'.

English:

Etymological Dictionary by J. de Vries and F. de Tollenaere (1983, Prisma Concise Dictionary, publ. Het Spectrum, Utrecht/Antwerpen)

dissel 1: 'axe', Middle Dutch dissel, compare Old High German dehsala (New High German dialect dechsel), Middle Lower German desele, Old Norse þexla. Next to that also Russian teslá 'axe', Latin telum(< *tekslum) 'throwing weapon'. Especially in the derivation bedisselen, which actually means 'to work something with the axe'. [bedisselen: to arrange, to fix things; that fits nicely as an 'etymology' for the OLB 'tex' and 'texland': 'rules' and 'the land where everything gets settled/arranged'].

[Ott]

I have posted about the 'tex', [...]

dissel 1: 'bijl', mnl. dissel, vgl. ohd. dehsala (nhd. dial. dechsel), mnd. desele, on. þexla.

Interesting. It also says:

Hierbij sluiten aan Latijn texare ‘weven, timmeren, bouwen’ (related to Latin texare - weave, construct, build)

A link I made some time ago:

discussion see here (26 march 2012)

[Ell]

I have posted about the 'tex', the OLB/Frya rules and regulations written on the walls of the burghs.

I have suggested that that word, 'tex', might have been the result of metathesis: tex(=teks) >> kest. 'Kest' is the word used in those Old Frisian Law texts when they mention regulations. But what I found by leafing through an etymological dictionary is better:

Dutch:

Etymologisch Woordenboek door J. de Vries en F. de Tollenaere (1983, Prisma Handwoordenboek, uitg. Het Spectrum, Utrecht/Antwerpen)

dissel 1: 'bijl', mnl. dissel, vgl. ohd. dehsala (nhd. dial. dechsel), mnd. desele, on. þexla. Hierbij ook rus. teslá 'bijl', lat. telum (< *tekslum) 'werpwapen'. Vooral in de afl. bedisselen, eig. 'met de bijl bewerken'. [bedisselen: regelen, voor elkaar brengen; past dus mooi als 'etymologie' voor het OLB 'tex' en 'texland': 'regels' en 'land waar alles wordt geregeld'.

English:

Etymological Dictionary by J. de Vries and F. de Tollenaere (1983, Prisma Concise Dictionary, publ. Het Spectrum, Utrecht/Antwerpen)

dissel 1: 'axe', Middle Dutch dissel, compare Old High German dehsala (New High German dialect dechsel), Middle Lower German desele, Old Norse þexla. Next to that also Russian teslá 'axe', Latin telum(< *tekslum) 'throwing weapon'. Especially in the derivation bedisselen, which actually means 'to work something with the axe'. [bedisselen: to arrange, to fix things; that fits nicely as an 'etymology' for the OLB 'tex' and 'texland': 'rules' and 'the land where everything gets settled/arranged'].

This is genius! I researched this subject myself not long ago, but drew a blank. I will make mention of this in one of my books. And since I desire to give credit where it is due, please make known to me in a direct message your name.

[Ott]

Some of it is mentioned in one of my e-books. Unfortunately nobody buys e-books...

I will make mention of this in one of my books.

If you want us to take you seriously, then at least post a title or link.

[The Puzzler]

I have posted about the 'tex', the OLB/Frya rules and regulations written on the walls of the burghs.

I have suggested that that word, 'tex', might have been the result of metathesis: tex(=teks) >> kest. 'Kest' is the word used in those Old Frisian Law texts when they mention regulations. But what I found by leafing through an etymological dictionary is better:

Dutch:

Etymologisch Woordenboek door J. de Vries en F. de Tollenaere (1983, Prisma Handwoordenboek, uitg. Het Spectrum, Utrecht/Antwerpen)

dissel 1: 'bijl', mnl. dissel, vgl. ohd. dehsala (nhd. dial. dechsel), mnd. desele, on. þexla. Hierbij ook rus. teslá 'bijl', lat. telum (< *tekslum) 'werpwapen'. Vooral in de afl. bedisselen, eig. 'met de bijl bewerken'. [bedisselen: regelen, voor elkaar brengen; past dus mooi als 'etymologie' voor het OLB 'tex' en 'texland': 'regels' en 'land waar alles wordt geregeld'.

English:

Etymological Dictionary by J. de Vries and F. de Tollenaere (1983, Prisma Concise Dictionary, publ. Het Spectrum, Utrecht/Antwerpen)

dissel 1: 'axe', Middle Dutch dissel, compare Old High German dehsala (New High German dialect dechsel), Middle Lower German desele, Old Norse þexla. Next to that also Russian teslá 'axe', Latin telum(< *tekslum) 'throwing weapon'. Especially in the derivation bedisselen, which actually means 'to work something with the axe'. [bedisselen: to arrange, to fix things; that fits nicely as an 'etymology' for the OLB 'tex' and 'texland': 'rules' and 'the land where everything gets settled/arranged'].

OK, I wrote a long post but edited out as I need to think about this some more.

Edited October 3, 2015 by The Puzzler

[SSilhouette]

dissel 1: 'axe', Middle Dutch dissel, compare Old High German dehsala (New High German dialect dechsel), Middle Lower German desele, Old Norse þexla. Next to that also Russian teslá 'axe', Latin telum(< *tekslum) 'throwing weapon'. Especially in the derivation bedisselen, which actually means 'to work something with the axe'. [bedisselen: to arrange, to fix things; that fits nicely as an 'etymology' for the OLB 'tex' and 'texland': 'rules' and 'the land where everything gets settled/arranged'].

[The Puzzler]

kest=kvast then I'd say.

kest 73, kes-t, afries., st. F. (i): nhd. Küre, Beliebung, Wahl, Wahlmöglichkeit, Wertgegenstand, Forderung eines Eides, Eid, Eidesleistung; ne. choice, worthy object (N.), claim (N.) of an oath, oath (N.); ÜG.: lat. cōnstitūtio L 15, ēlēctio KE; Vw.: s. kê-r-e-, liōd-, nê-d-, ze-r-k-, -fri-ō-nd; Hw.: vgl. ae. cyst, as. kust*, ahd. kust*; Q.: S, B, R, E, H, W, Jur, L 15, KE; E.: germ. *kusti-, *kustiz, st. F. (i), Wahl, Prüfung; s. idg. *g̑eus-, V., kosten (V.) (2), genießen, schmecken, Pokorny 399; W.: nfries. kest; L.: Hh 57a, Hh 163, Rh 866b

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kvast

Danish for tassel.

A kind of bur used in dressing cloth; a teasel.

From Middle English tesel, tasil, tasel, tosel, from Old English tǣsel, tǣsl, from Proto-Germanic *taisilō, *taislō ‎(“thistle”), from Proto-Indo-European *dāy- ‎(“to separate, divide”). Cognate with Scots tasil, tassill ‎(“teasel”), German Zeisel ‎(“thistle, teasel”). Related to tease

Tassel:

In the Hebrew Bible, the Lord spoke to Moses instructing him to tell the Israelites to make tassels (modern Hebrew tzitzit) on the corners of their garments, to help them to remember all the commandments of the Lord and to keep them (Numbers 15:37-40), and as a sign of holiness. The religious Hebrew tassel, however, bears little resemblance to the decorative one which eventually became popular in Europe, especially France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tassel

Its too late for me, I'll think about this more tomorrow.

Edited October 3, 2015 by The Puzzler

[Ell]

If you want us to take you seriously, then at least post a title or link.

The book it will be published in, both in Dutch and in an English version, I have not yet published. I am waiting upon the cover for the Dutch edition. The friend who made the cover for the English edition had a hard disk crash some weeks ago and lost her earlier work, so she will have to build up the cover again - and she is busy with other projects.

Besides, I do not place links here, because then people start accusing me of promoting my own books.

[Ott]

Besides, I do not place links here, because then people start accusing me of promoting my own books.

If it contains anything relevant for this thread it would obviously be acceptable to quote from and refer to it.

[The Puzzler]

kest 73, kes-t, afries., st. F. (i): nhd. Küre, Beliebung, Wahl, Wahlmöglichkeit, Wertgegenstand, Forderung eines Eides, Eid, Eidesleistung; ne. choice, worthy object (N.), claim (N.) of an oath, oath

oath

(əʊθ)

n, pl oaths (əʊðz)

1. a solemn pronouncement to affirm the truth of a statement or to pledge a person to some course of action, often involving a sacred being or object as witness.

2. the form of such a pronouncement

3. an irreverent or blasphemous expression, esp one involving the name of a deity; curse

4. under the obligation of an oath

5. (Law) law having sworn to tell the truth, usually with one's hand on the Bible

6. (Law) take an oath to declare formally with an oath or pledge, esp before giving evidence

[Old English āth; related to Old Saxon, Old Frisian ēth, Old High German eid]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oaths

kest equates to oath in the Old Frisian texts. Among these was the oath of equality taken ... 'Djt is dio aerste kest aller Fresana ende

The Fryans took the oath to Frya's constitution and this happened at Texland.

Also there is ATH (OE) that's what I think is the meaning of 'atha' as 'friends' (Athens) as said before but this reminded me of it again.

This seems to have a different root that the "dissel=axe" one put forth by Abe and Fryans didn't beat around the bush naming things, 'working an axe' over 'taking an oath' - I don't think so...

[The Puzzler]

This is genius! I researched this subject myself not long ago, but drew a blank. I will make mention of this in one of my books. And since I desire to give credit where it is due, please make known to me in a direct message your name.

Personally I don't find it all that genius and Abe didn't come up with it, he just linked it after finding it.

The thing with this topic and thread is...things are not always what they seem and every answer needs to be fully researched before jumping to any hazardous foregone conclusions based on someone's opinion, especially if doing a book or you too will fall into Alewyns trap.

You can see my posts #217 and #220 to see how there is still other options available on this meaning.

[Ell]

Yes, I am pondering your posts, but I am a bit tired these days, so it may take some time for me to decide upon it.

I have added my own contributions and interpretations and additions to Abe's find. His genius is not just in finding and linking to it, but in recognizing what he found. For me it was a missing link between what is known and what I suspected.

[Riaan]

This must now certainly be the longest running, or longest, or both, topic in UM's history! Just wondering - is it relevant any more?

Edited October 4, 2015 by Riaan

[SSilhouette]

This must now certainly be the longest running, or longest, or both, topic in UM's history! Just wondering - is it relevant any more?

It was this week. And if the participants are enjoying kicking it around, why not? Better than them searching out internet porn or something. At least their minds are getting stroked this way..lol..and if it increases blood circulation to the higher functioning parts of the brain, then all the better. Besides, sometimes it's good to throw oneself into something as if it mattered. In the end, is anything relevant here on this planet? This topic is as good as any other. Just be careful about posting about a flash flood though or inundation of the Sahara in the recorded BC times. It could get you in hot water.

[The Puzzler]

This must now certainly be the longest running, or longest, or both, topic in UM's history! Just wondering - is it relevant any more?

Hi Riaan.

Well I'm sure glad you started it way back years ago, it's changed my life. It's relevant, more than ever.