Son Died By Lighting Fireworks On His Head

[Myles]

Pros:

They look cool

They are fun to use

My children enjoy when I light them

Tradition

Con:

They can be dangerous when used improperly

[Gaden]

Pros:

They look cool

They are fun to use

My children enjoy when I light them

Tradition

Con:

They can be dangerous when used improperly

Re-wording the same points to make them look like more points doesn't really count.

As for your con, here's the biggie;

They ARE dangerous when used improperly, and, more importantly, even when used properly.

[some new guy]

pro - you can blow stuff up

con - stuff gets blown up

BEST - Ron

[Myles]

They ARE dangerous when used improperly, and, more importantly, even when used properly.

That is the same if nearly anything. I'll use trampolines and pools as examples.

[Iron_Lotus]

I'm gone 3 days and this has turned into a full on argument...

lmao you know how it is here

[CrimsonKing]

lmao you know how it is here

Hahaha inmates loose in the asylum,i can dig it

[Gaden]

That is the same if nearly anything. I'll use trampolines and pools as examples.

Except your use of pools or trampolines doesn't endanger me or the ones I love.

[Myles]

Except your use of pools or trampolines doesn't endanger me or the ones I love.

I agree somewhat. But your children could drown in a friends pool or break a neck on a friends trampoline. But with all 3, supervision IS necessary. It's the irresponsible people who cause the disasters.

Coincidently, I just read where there was a party at Demi Moore's house over the weekend and a person drowned in her pool. Pools are certainly dangerous. I still wish I had one. It's just not worth the upkeep in Northern Indiana.

[psyche101]

C'mon, you are better than this.

Myles, I am simply not agreeing with you and because you have not given a good reason to put fireworks into the hands of trained professionals. Most places have banned them and for good reason. You may be responsible with them, I do not know, but many have proven themselves not to be. This thread is the result of a prank resulting in death and all people can say is good riddance, which makes me sick to my stomach. This was not only a fellow human being, but he thought he had a dud, not a live round. And not one person has given thought to his poor mother, NO parent should EVER bury their child. Give at least this poor woman who lost her child a second thought. You all have children, would you be glad if they died doing something stupid because "at least they won't breed"? That is deplorable and disgusting. And deeply hypocritical of some, like the one who feels that an offhand remark is such a horrible thing to say when not bothering to look at another point of view, and then wishing people dead. It is nothing short of a disgrace.

Claiming that go carts are not sold for home use is BS.

I never said that, I said:

I do not know of them being banned, I just cannot see the point what with ATV's readily available and can be purchased just about anywhere. People here just buy what is available - ATV's.

Claiming I was not being truthful about what came up when I Googled is BS too.

They are a minority item. Hardly big production like the racing Go Karts, which is what people are generally referring to, and I was, when mentioning Go Karts. That is why I told you to Google it, what did you find? One link to an Offroad Version amongst a full page of links to racing Karts?

You are also wrong about Sam's Club. It is also a brick and mortar store.

That makes me right in fact, remember, I said this:

Just Googled Sam's Club, it's like an online liquidator, they sell whatever crap that comes their way, it's not a specialist build by that company by any means.

Over 500 locations in the USA.

I am in Australia.

Each spring they sell Go Carts. Pretty good ones too.

And? That proves my point!! They are a specialist item that comes out in season, not a Racing Go Kart, which is what was being referred to., not an Offroad Version of a Go Kart.

Fences DO NOT stop drunk people who are already using the pool, from drowning. You are twisting your story. Even with fences in place, pools cause more deaths than fireworks.

Yes they do, you are not allowing for the fact it is not just a physical barrier, it is a mental one too. Caution enters your mind whether you like it or not because you are forced to do an extra action - open a gate, at that point the danger becomes aware on a level even if ne that is dismissed. It will not be dismissed in every case.

AND a large majority as pointed out are children who are hurt by fireworks.

Edited July 21, 2015 by psyche101

[psyche101]

I agree somewhat. But your children could drown in a friends pool or break a neck on a friends trampoline. But with all 3, supervision IS necessary. It's the irresponsible people who cause the disasters.

That is what a ban on fireworks propose, putting it into the hands of trained people and creating an industry at the same time.

Coincidently, I just read where there was a party at Demi Moore's house over the weekend and a person drowned in her pool. Pools are certainly dangerous. I still wish I had one. It's just not worth the upkeep in Northern Indiana.

Limited alcohol involved suggesting it was not a factor. And 5 people were present. Might pay to see what happened yet.

[psyche101]

[Gaden]

I agree somewhat. But your children could drown in a friends pool or break a neck on a friends trampoline. But with all 3, supervision IS necessary. It's the irresponsible people who cause the disasters.

Coincidently, I just read where there was a party at Demi Moore's house over the weekend and a person drowned in her pool. Pools are certainly dangerous. I still wish I had one. It's just not worth the upkeep in Northern Indiana.

You can not suggest pools and trampolines are just as dangerous as fireworks. Geez, of the three, which can be used as a weapon? Of the three, which would you allow a toddler to use? Of the three, which can harm someone a block away from the person using it? People who don't want fireworks banned have an attraction to explosions, I get that. But, your right to have access to explosions can not override my right to safety. I live in a rural community. There are quite a few pools around, and around the 4th, a lot of fireworks, including my nearest neighbor. Do you really mean to say that the pools in my neighborhood are as much of a danger to me as the incendiaries going off above and around my house?

[aztek]

. Do you really mean to say that the pools in my neighborhood are as much of a danger to me as the incendiaries going off above and around my house?

that is correct, last years there was about 10 firework related deaths, and about 10000 injuries , from cuts to burns, in the same year about 3500 DIED by drowning in pools, so yea, pools are a lot more dagerous according to data.

[Myles]

You can not suggest pools and trampolines are just as dangerous as fireworks. Geez, of the three, which can be used as a weapon? Of the three, which would you allow a toddler to use? Of the three, which can harm someone a block away from the person using it? People who don't want fireworks banned have an attraction to explosions, I get that. But, your right to have access to explosions can not override my right to safety. I live in a rural community. There are quite a few pools around, and around the 4th, a lot of fireworks, including my nearest neighbor. Do you really mean to say that the pools in my neighborhood are as much of a danger to me as the incendiaries going off above and around my house?

Statistics show different. More trampoline and pool injuries by far than fireworks. I know fireworks are different than trampolines as trampolines are different from pools.

Irresponsible use of fireworks should be dealt with. Just like irresponsible use of a pool. A sober adult should be watching small children when they swim. Drunk people should not swim.

[Gaden]

Statistics show different. More trampoline and pool injuries by far than fireworks. I know fireworks are different than trampolines as trampolines are different from pools.

Irresponsible use of fireworks should be dealt with. Just like irresponsible use of a pool. A sober adult should be watching small children when they swim. Drunk people should not swim.

that is correct, last years there was about 10 firework related deaths, and about 10000 injuries , from cuts to burns, in the same year about 3500 DIED by drowning in pools, so yea, pools are a lot more dagerous according to data.

You both missed my point. The pools in my neighborhood are not a danger to me, but the incendiaries that my neighbor ignites are.

The statistics listed are misleading, as a pool is used far more often than fireworks. Show me the number of injuries/deaths per day of use.

[Bama13]

Many products are dangerous if used improperly. Most household cleaners can be harmful/fatal if swallowed. Lawn mowers, chainsaws, gardening shears, edgers, etc can all be dangerous if misused. I see fireworks as being like these items. Fine if handled properly, dangerous if misused.

[Michelle]

Lawnmowers can fling a rock with extreme force. Car windows have been broken and people are injured quite frequently.

Edited July 21, 2015 by Michelle

[Sweetpumper]

Then they need to ban lawnmowers.

[aztek]

but the incendiaries that my neighbor ignites are.

and how much damage did they do to your property, and to you in general, do not include noise\smoke complaints. i'm almost sure your neighbors firework did not harm you.

quit begging for proof, find it yourself and show it to us, to prove your point. because so far we do not see you got one.

Edited July 21, 2015 by aztek

[Myles]

and how much damage did they do to your property, and to you in general, do not include noise\smoke complaints. i'm almost sure your neighbors firework did not harm you.

If he did in fact get harmed by said neighbor, the person should be dealt with. It is against the law to use fireworks in such a way.

[aztek]

If he did in fact get harmed by said neighbor, the person should be dealt with. It is against the law to use fireworks in such a way.

well yes, law or not, it could be considered an accident, and you'll have to take it with him, or his insurance. but in vast majority of firework related accidents only the people that fire them up get hurt. that is what the thread is about, a guy who killed HIMSELF, he did not hurt anyone else.

[Myles]

well yes, law or not, it could be considered an accident, and you'll have to take it with him, or his insurance. but in vast majority of firework related accidents only the people that fire them up get hurt. that is what the thread is about, a guy who killed HIMSELF, he did not hurt anyone else.

Correct. If he wasn't drunk when he purchased the fireworks, this incident is on him.

I feel bad for his family. It is a terrible accident.

[F3SS]

The statistics listed are misleading

And so are the comparisons between the two. Completely unrelated things. Btw, a pool can arguably be used as a weapon of sorts. Have someone hold your head under water and tell me if that pool hasn't just become a potentially deadly weapon. Hell, even a pillow is a weapon to a person being smothered and suffocated by one. The weapon argument is lame if being used to compel legislation against something.

Lawnmowers can fling a rock with extreme force. Car windows have been broken and people are injured quite frequently.

Just last month I did an emergency board-up of a shattered sliding glass door that took a rock from a lawnmower. Just for perspective, you can bang on that type of glass pretty hard with a hammer without it breaking so that rock must've had some serious velocity.

[psyche101]

Statistics show different. More trampoline and pool injuries by far than fireworks. I know fireworks are different than trampolines as trampolines are different from pools.

Irresponsible use of fireworks should be dealt with. Just like irresponsible use of a pool. A sober adult should be watching small children when they swim. Drunk people should not swim.

One factor that is being ignored here is

How often do you use a pool?

How often are firework celebrations held?

If you put the two into line I feel you might find the Fireworks far outweigh pool incidents. Pools are 24/7 5 months a year, Fireworks are like three hours three times a year.

[psyche101]

Many products are dangerous if used improperly. Most household cleaners can be harmful/fatal if swallowed. Lawn mowers, chainsaws, gardening shears, edgers, etc can all be dangerous if misused. I see fireworks as being like these items. Fine if handled properly, dangerous if misused.

Those are specific devices for specific uses, this argument has been and gone. They do not specifically kill people, you have to misuse them on purpose to kill people which takes a sick mind. If one has such a sick mind, they really should be locked up already. Explosives are dangerous just as they exist, and within their function. You do not have to be twisted to hurt sosmone with fireworks, it happens in any case.

If you see Fireworks as something that can be used to hurt others I would suggest the problem here lies with yourself.