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The disappearance of Ray Gricar (Part 2)

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docyabut2

Maybe  he did not want to be a lawyer  any more,  Ray Gricar went missing.I just saying maybe he got a girl pregnant, he would have his first child and planned to go away with her. The last witness that saw him and with another girl in a Antique store, in Lewisburg where his car was parked

his body was never found if it was suicide or murder.

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MAV1962

He was a few weeks from retirement. We don't know for sure if he was seen, but in any case, the female was described as a "woman," not a girl. And of course, if he got a woman pregnant, he could have just broken up with his girlfriend at the time and then done what he pleased, with a pension and Social Security to live on. 

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micahc
5 minutes ago, MAV1962 said:

He was a few weeks from retirement. We don't know for sure if he was seen, but in any case, the female was described as a "woman," not a girl. And of course, if he got a woman pregnant, he could have just broken up with his girlfriend at the time and then done what he pleased, with a pension and Social Security to live on. 

he was at an age where suicide is high for men.  retirement for some is terrifying.  his brother committed suicide. It doesn't seem he was particularly close to his adopted daughter.  I don't see a walk away.   I do think he committed suicide.  

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lw-intuit
4 hours ago, MAV1962 said:

He was a few weeks from retirement. We don't know for sure if he was seen, but in any case, the female was described as a "woman," not a girl. And of course, if he got a woman pregnant, he could have just broken up with his girlfriend at the time and then done what he pleased, with a pension and Social Security to live on. 

With neither a pension or Social Security being drawn from, it was either suicide or murder, IMO, not a walk-away.  If it was his choice to leave, why leave all that money behind?  Doesn't make any sense.

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lw-intuit
4 hours ago, micahc said:

he was at an age where suicide is high for men.  retirement for some is terrifying.  his brother committed suicide. It doesn't seem he was particularly close to his adopted daughter.  I don't see a walk away.   I do think he committed suicide.  

I thought he was quite close to his adopted daughter.  I also don't see walk-away but I also don't think it was suicide.  Still not ruling anything out at this point in time.  

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docyabut2

He must have picked up someone, there was cigarette ashes in his car and he wasn't a smoker. So maybe it was that woman he was with in the Antique store.

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micahc
13 hours ago, lw-intuit said:

I thought he was quite close to his adopted daughter.  I also don't see walk-away but I also don't think it was suicide.  Still not ruling anything out at this point in time.  

I guess I don't know how they felt about each other, but she did live nearly 3000 miles away, so that might have added to his loneliness.  I do get the feeling he was melancholy towards the end. He was seen out at a lake, perhaps doing some thinking.  Suicide rates go up as we age https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2019-06-20/suicide-by-race-age-in-the-us

I don't think he drown himself, but I wonder if he had access to a gun.  I also am confused why he had so few assets and how the authorities determined all his funds were accounted for.  

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wijg
36 minutes ago, micahc said:

but I wonder if he had access to a gun

 

As a District Attorney, there is a 100% chance he had access to a gun. Whether or not he kept one in his home is another story (I may have had notes on this somewhere... gosh, it's been so long... hi everyone!). Not sure what the law is in PA, but it's likely he didn't even need a permit to carry given his position. In many states, law enforcement (including DAs) are exempt from needing permits to carry concealed.

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lw-intuit
5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

He must have picked up someone, there was cigarette ashes in his car and he wasn't a smoker. So maybe it was that woman he was with in the Antique store.

In spite of those saying he was in the antique store, it remains doubtful that it was him.  No proof unless person seeing him there actually knew him and not identified by a photo.

The ashes in a car that he would never let anyone smoke in is more indicative of someone else being in the car other than Ray.

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lw-intuit
26 minutes ago, wijg said:

 

As a District Attorney, there is a 100% chance he had access to a gun. Whether or not he kept one in his home is another story (I may have had notes on this somewhere... gosh, it's been so long... hi everyone!). Not sure what the law is in PA, but it's likely he didn't even need a permit to carry given his position. In many states, law enforcement (including DAs) are exempt from needing permits to carry concealed.

IF he had a gun, it seems likely that Patti would have known that fact and indicated at the time that the gun was missing.  I don't recall any mention of such by her.

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wijg

Btw, I may have a new lead...

Remember the security footage from the courthouse (the last footage of Ray) that I clipped frame-by-frame? Here it is as a refresher:

Remember the jeep? Remember how we couldn't decide whether or not the jeep was "passing through" or if it was parking in the lot? Well I can say with near 100% certainty it was NOT passing through, as the other street was not accessible (that blue rectangle is a handicap/van accessible parking spot... if there were an exit there, that spot would not be there). There was only one way in, one way out from the parking lot (High St entrance/exit). Also, every single space in that back lot is marked "reserved", presumably for courthouse staff (we couldn't really read what the signs said before, now we can since Google Earth has updated HD photos of the town).

 

So... That jeep that came into the parking lot mere seconds after Gricar almost certainly parked in the lot... in a reserved spot near the southwest corner of the lot. Could just be someone else coming in to do work late like Ray. But that would be a heck of a coincidence considering he pulled in just seconds after Ray. And remember, he looked over that direction, both when he arrived and when he left.

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lw-intuit
1 hour ago, micahc said:

I guess I don't know how they felt about each other, but she did live nearly 3000 miles away, so that might have added to his loneliness.  I do get the feeling he was melancholy towards the end. He was seen out at a lake, perhaps doing some thinking.  Suicide rates go up as we age https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2019-06-20/suicide-by-race-age-in-the-us

I don't think he drown himself, but I wonder if he had access to a gun.  I also am confused why he had so few assets and how the authorities determined all his funds were accounted for.  

Up until a couple of years prior to disappearance, his salary wasn't that much since he was considered part time, IIRC.  Considering he had a nice home in Boalsburg/State College area prior to moving in with PF, in addition to likely helping his daughter with college, his monies prior to seem to be spoken for.  After moving in with PF, he paid off her mortgage as well as buying her the MiniCooper, so that likely took much of his money he had in equity in his house.  Any additional seems to be in that which was left to Lara, IIRC, $125K.  I don't see how he could have possibly had any more than that.  Costs a lot to live, even alone, in a nice home.  With a pension and Social Security upon retiring, I doubt that he felt he needed a great deal more than that to live comfortably.  

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lw-intuit
8 minutes ago, wijg said:

Btw, I may have a new lead...

Remember the security footage from the courthouse (the last footage of Ray) that I clipped frame-by-frame? Here it is as a refresher:

Remember the jeep? Remember how we couldn't decide whether or not the jeep was "passing through" or if it was parking in the lot? Well I can say with near 100% certainty it was NOT passing through, as the other street was not accessible (that blue rectangle is a handicap/van accessible parking spot... if there were an exit there, that spot would not be there). There was only one way in, one way out from the parking lot (High St entrance/exit). Also, every single space in that back lot is marked "reserved", presumably for courthouse staff (we couldn't really read what the signs said before, now we can since Google Earth has updated HD photos of the town).

 

So... That jeep that came into the parking lot mere seconds after Gricar almost certainly parked in the lot... in a reserved spot near the southwest corner of the lot. Could just be someone else coming in to do work late like Ray. But that would be a heck of a coincidence considering he pulled in just seconds after Ray. And remember, he looked over that direction, both when he arrived and when he left.

Correct, only one way in and out of the lot and all reserved spaces.  I recall your posting the still shots but can't recall if the jeep occupant(s) went into the courthouse.  Did they?  Thanks!

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lw-intuit

Here  is the link to the Bellefonte Police report which I always found interesting considering, RG was seen going into the courthouse on April 14th at 6:15, leaving at 9:15 pm and the police report states missing date as 4/14.  That is only a less than three hour timeframe.  

https://sites.google...site/raygricar/

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wijg
Just now, lw-intuit said:

Correct, only one way in and out of the lot and all reserved spaces.  I recall your posting the still shots but can't recall if the jeep occupant(s) went into the courthouse.  Did they?  Thanks!

We don't know if they went in or not... the security cam footage I had came from the episode of Disappeared which featured Ray's case. It only has snippets from when he entered the lot and then entered the building, and then 3 hours later when he left. So if they came in after Ray, it was likely cut out. Heck, it's possible LE already identified the owner of the jeep and figured it was nothing. But I think there's something there. It caught Ray's attention when he came in. And he looked that way when he left as well.

Anyone ever get a chance to talk to Steve Sloane???? He had a bunch of interesting stuff on his Facebook account that was all public for a long time, including a photo of Ray and Emma looking quite cozy at a NYE celebration with Steve and his wife mere months before he disappeared. That was quite interesting to me.

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