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Hillary has already "won" the Dem Nomination

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Merc14

I just looked at the polls in Iowa and with 65% of precincts reporting only about 800 democrats have shown up to vote. With 50% of republicans reporting almost 100,000 have voted. Rick Santorum has 916 voters all by himself and he is only getting .98% of the vote. It will be interesting to see how the MSM reports this anomaly and those numbers will grow as more precincts report but I was astounded at the numbers. I guess the thrill is gone on the dem side of the aisle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427449/IT-S-RAUCOUS-CAUCUS-Iowans-set-cast-America-s-votes-2016-presidential-contest-officially-gets-underway-no-one-really-knows-s-top.html

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Yamato

Let's hope Bernie Sanders beats Hillary Clinton tonight, right? If Hillary Clinton is so detestable like I keep hearing about...

51% Clinton

49% Sanders

with over 70% reporting.

That's just a wee bit relevant to "Hillary's already won".

I'll be proud of Iowa if Sanders and Cruz upset.

And what was Trump saying about Ted Cruz the past week or so? "He's terrible." "Nobody likes him." Well Donald, a good chunk of Iowans like him. You liked him too, a few months ago, you ham.

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Wickian

I just looked at the polls in Iowa and with 65% of precincts reporting only about 800 democrats have shown up to vote. With 50% of republicans reporting almost 100,000 have voted. Rick Santorum has 916 voters all by himself and he is only getting .98% of the vote. It will be interesting to see how the MSM reports this anomaly and those numbers will grow as more precincts report but I was astounded at the numbers. I guess the thrill is gone on the dem side of the aisle.

http://www.dailymail...nows-s-top.html

I found a document of total voters in Iowa as of January 2016, here's some numbers to compare. Copy/pasted from the Iowa thread.

https://sos.iowa.gov...016/CoJan16.pdf

All the way at the bottom of that list shows 584,111 active Democrat voters and 612,112 active Republican voters. That means ~27% of the active R's voted and ~.002% of the active D's voted.

Astonishing really, Rick Santorum got more votes than Hillary and Sanders combined.

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Paranormal Panther

I didn't mean you were a foaming at the mouth type and I agree to a point about the corporations that own them but there is a revolving door between the network news and democrat administrations. It is amazing how many of them are married to each other and are raising families. It isn't a conspiracy so much as a closed country club. Freedom of teh press has disappeared because teh press has become so thoroughly indoctrinated in leftist ideology that they are incapable of seeing how miserably they are doing the watchdog job they were designed to do.

I couldn't agree more. Some Democratic politicians and journalistic operatives are literally married to each other. It's bad enough in the figurative sense of the phrase. There's a troubling degree of nepotism, as well as "incest", in that world. It's always been biased. It's more misleading and more partisan now. They know that we know it, but they continue it, anyway. This makes one think that ideology is more important than revenue in their closed world. It could be that they just preach to the choir. They know that people, who see through them, now have alternative and conservative news sources from which to choose. Many of them are also biased, but human nature is what it is. A menu approach might be best, but how many people have that kind of free time?

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Space Commander Travis

Was he referring to general *or* specific targeting? Wanton carpet bombing is insane, even for a neoconservative. Taking out ISIS, by any means necessary, is just the right thing to do. My guess is that he meant select targets, although if he referred to regime change, that indeed was neoconservative in nature.

Carpet bombing sure doesn't sound very specific. I expect he'd probably say "Well, we'd only carpet bomb ISIS", but you can't do that with carpet bombing,. Yes, it might be just bluster along the same lines as D. Trump's "stop all Muslims from entering the U.S.", but the Media were all over the Trump but they let this kind of nonsense go.

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Space Commander Travis

* Referring to the explanation about how the Media is incorrigibly left wing, and how the neocon movement is actually a Trotskyist conspiracy, so was Operation Impose Freedom on Iraq Whether They Wanted It or Not actually a left wing conspiracy then? It was a plot by the Trotkyists that had taken over the Republican party? Would that by why hardly any of the media argued against Operation Destroy Another Secular Regime in the Middle East and Leave the Way Open for Ultra Hardline Fundamentalism? So was the Bush administration actually a nest of Trostkysists, is that what we're saying, and that's why the Media said hardly a word against them?

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Yamato

That was sarcasm on my part. The two emojis are clues. In any event, I'm not thrilled with Cruz's views on those issues. Really, Paul is the only one who rejects all or most neoconservative views. I'm worried about Trump, so Cruz is an option, but I'm also worried that Cruz would embrace and pursue more foreign interventionism. Of course, Clinton would too. I don't want an admitted socialist in the White House. That takes me back to Trump as a "close eyes, hold nose" vote if Sanders runs against him. I really don't want to vote for him in a "lesser of two evils" choice, so that takes me back to Cruz, who's the most palatable of the choices that have a chance of winning. In Fantasyland, my choice and your choice would be at the top of the ticket(s). We have to play the cards we're dealt. In that case, I'll take Cruz over the Trump card since there's no way that I can "play" Paul.

I don't blame Reagan. I blame the Trotsky fan club started by Bill Kristol's dad, the leftists who morphed into Republicans in some bizarre alchemical wedding that fooled the masses. They became the backbone and the brains of the neoconservative movement. I think that you could look at the signatories of PNAC statements to find their names (to answer your question).

Sounds like you did your homework. And I agree, Reagan was different. I know the names, they keep recurring and never seem to go away. They were also large part of the effort to morph Reagan into something he never was. Reagan was a conservative democrat who became a republican. These other minor characters were hardcore Wilsonian liberals, socialists by definition really, and they rode up Reagan's coattails to a large extent. Rode into the Republican party easily enough. Kinda like what Trump is doing right now in fact.

Trump seems to disregard law in establishing what he wants to do. By contrast, putting a Socialist in the White House is no big deal. What can Bernie do, veto stuff that isn't Socialist enough? It should probably be vetoed anyway although not for that reason. Real socialism, as has happened in the past, needs to come through Congress, not the White House. If Trump seriously wants to do the worse half of his big ideas, he's crossed so far over the line of his own authority it's insane.

I say put Sanders on the throne, and try to stop him and his agendas. I think Sanders at least has a sense of morality that the other candidates lack.

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Paranormal Panther

Carpet bombing sure doesn't sound very specific. I expect he'd probably say "Well, we'd only carpet bomb ISIS", but you can't do that with carpet bombing,. Yes, it might be just bluster along the same lines as D. Trump's "stop all Muslims from entering the U.S.", but the Media were all over the Trump but they let this kind of nonsense go.

He likely referred to certain groups. He directed his threat towards enemy combatants and terrorist headquarters. He never called for a new "Dresden". The phrase was clumsily used, though.

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Paranormalcy

The downfall of the US started to some extent with Nixon but Reagan was definitely the architest of the oligarchy, as trickle down economics, a routintely disproven, or even dangerously disasterous regimen, has hammered and abused the poor and the middle class until our country is almost dead, and this hateful, psychopathic economic form of economic oppression of the weak and the poor is maintained and built upon by primarily Republicans and to a growing extent, Democrats, who both now simply exist as corporate shills and breathe legalized bribes, while people go hungry in the streets, including our veterans who die for this oligarchy that runs on the bones of the poor and the blood of our kids not rich enough for their familes to keep them from being sent overseas to secure our abiilty to steal other countries' resources.

Nixon: took us off the gold standard (which had to happen eventually) but opened up corporate opportunism when doing so

Reagan: the primary and fundamental perpetrator of the destruction of the United States with the trick down lie

Clintons: the direct implementation of capitalizing on trickle down and corporate and government predation on the middle class and poor

Bushes: there isn't enough room to list the misdeeds carried out, building still on the "legacy" of Reagan's rise of the oligarchy

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Paranormal Panther

* Referring to the explanation about how the Media is incorrigibly left wing, and how the neocon movement is actually a Trotskyist conspiracy, so was Operation Impose Freedom on Iraq Whether They Wanted It or Not actually a left wing conspiracy then? It was a plot by the Trotkyists that had taken over the Republican party? Would that by why hardly any of the media argued against Operation Destroy Another Secular Regime in the Middle East and Leave the Way Open for Ultra Hardline Fundamentalism? So was the Bush administration actually a nest of Trostkysists, is that what we're saying, and that's why the Media said hardly a word against them?

Check out the historical background of the neoconservative movement. Start with Irving Kristol, the father of Bill Kristol. As for the corporations' control of cable news and network news, that explains the lockstep support of military actions, but it's linked more to profits than philosophy. They don't have to be members of PNAC to support the military-industrial complex.

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Paranormal Panther

Sounds like you did your homework. And I agree, Reagan was different. I know the names, they keep recurring and never seem to go away. They were also large part of the effort to morph Reagan into something he never was. Reagan was a conservative democrat who became a republican. These other minor characters were hardcore Wilsonian liberals, socialists by definition really, and they rode up Reagan's coattails to a large extent. Rode into the Republican party easily enough. Kinda like what Trump is doing right now in fact.

Reagan was a real conservative, but he was forced to embrace the establishment players. He was no fan of the CFR or the TLC, but he accepted them when he filled some of his cabinet positions. One conspiracy theory claimed that the cabal was behind his shooting. You likely learned all about it before you even joined the forum.

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Space Commander Travis

He likely referred to certain groups. He directed his threat towards enemy combatants and terrorist headquarters. He never called for a new "Dresden". The phrase was clumsily used, though.

Yees, but the problem with carpet bombing someone (or even more so, using a Nuke, which surely his wish to "make the sand glow" alludes to) is that everyone around for miles gets clobbered too.

But yes, he may well have just been blustering rhetorically. Perhaps like some of D. Trump's more controversial remarks, perhaps ... :unsure:

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Merc14

Yees, but the problem with carpet bombing someone (or even more so, using a Nuke, which surely his wish to "make the sand glow" alludes to) is that everyone around for miles gets clobbered too.

But yes, he may well have just been blustering rhetorically. Perhaps like some of D. Trump's more controversial remarks, perhaps ... :unsure:

Did you vote for Obama twice?

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Space Commander Travis

I'm not sure what you mean.

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Merc14

I'm not sure what you mean.

I guess I got my answer :w00t:

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Space Commander Travis

No, honestly, please explain what you're talking about? I'm going to guess that you're implying I'm hopelessly stupid and naive? If yes, please say so, rather than mere cryptic allusions, and please provide an explanation with your answer as to why you think so? I know you habitually file everyone under "Republicans" (Good) or "Libs" or "Dems" (Boo), but what exactly are you trying to say here? I'm afraid it's not very clear.

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Paranormal Panther

Yees, but the problem with carpet bombing someone (or even more so, using a Nuke, which surely his wish to "make the sand glow" alludes to) is that everyone around for miles gets clobbered too.

But yes, he may well have just been blustering rhetorically. Perhaps like some of D. Trump's more controversial remarks, perhaps ... :unsure:

It sounds like hyperbole to me. Politicians pander and play to their constituents and their crowds. I fear the Obama administration more than a Cruz byte. They poke the Russian bear when they should be giving honey to it.

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Paranormal Panther

No, honestly, please explain what you're talking about? I'm going to guess that you're implying I'm hopelessly stupid and naive? If yes, please say so, rather than mere cryptic allusions, and please provide an explanation with your answer as to why you think so? I know you habitually file everyone under "Republicans" (Good) or "Libs" or "Dems" (Boo), but what exactly are you trying to say here? I'm afraid it's not very clear.

I tend to support conservatives and/or Republicans, but I agree with the above quote. I realize that many leftists see the world through their own biased lenses, and many posts on this forum prove that. However, we're too divided in different ways, and this is not a constructive trend. We need to emphasize that there are more important things than partisan politics.

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Merc14

I tend to support conservatives and/or Republicans, but I agree with the above quote. I realize that many leftists see the world through their own biased lenses, and many posts on this forum prove that. However, we're too divided in different ways, and this is not a constructive trend. We need to emphasize that there are more important things than partisan politics.

Unfortunately the world is now seen through a political lens in all aspects of our lives. If you try and avoid this you get run over. Political correctness runs our lives and left wing attacks on every aspect of our society never end. In pr put of power you are assaulted with the LW BS. Why do you think a crazy man like Trump is getting so much attention with people filling stadiums to see him speak?

I wish it wasn't so. It wasn't as bad in my youth but the coming of age of the baby boomers has not been a good thing for our society. The fact that people are cheering a socialist in America speaks volumes.

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Paranormalcy

The fact that people are cheering a socialist in America speaks volumes.

Yes it does. It says we have finished laboring under what was once capitalism but is now a broken, predatory system of taking advantage of the working class, and that a new incarnation of government not built on the backs of the poor is coming.

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Paranormal Panther

Unfortunately the world is now seen through a political lens in all aspects of our lives. If you try and avoid this you get run over. Political correctness runs our lives and left wing attacks on every aspect of our society never end. In pr put of power you are assaulted with the LW BS. Why do you think a crazy man like Trump is getting so much attention with people filling stadiums to see him speak?

I wish it wasn't so. It wasn't as bad in my youth but the coming of age of the baby boomers has not been a good thing for our society. The fact that people are cheering a socialist in America speaks volumes.

I get it. I really do. I'm not much younger than you, and I notice the same changes in both the political sphere and the social sphere. Luckily, I see more division in the media than in my life. People, in my circle, don't put political differences before common humanity. That gives me hope. We realize that our shared humanity makes political and social differences secondary. I think that the PTB, through the media, instigate things. They distort and exaggerate political and racial conflicts to create more discord. I don't see as much discord in everyday life. It almost seems manufactured to a certain extent, although I realize that there really is more disunity than there was in the past. I try to not exacerbate the disunity, but I don't always succeed. I know where you're coming from, because you really do get sick and tired of the double standards and the hypocrisy. Hollywood takes a regular dump on my heritage, as well as my history, in such dishonest ways that Riefenstahl would blush. The progressive media's lies add to it. I don't use this aggravation as an excuse to lash out at the "opposition", though (most of the time :D ).

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Paranormal Panther

Yes it does. It says we have finished laboring under what was once capitalism but is now a broken, predatory system of taking advantage of the working class, and that a new incarnation of government not built on the backs of the poor is coming.

"Workers, of the world, unite!" I'd rather repair the system than replace it with something worse. We can make needed reforms without abandoning the economic system that contributed to our growth and development as the world's leading innovator in science and technology. Capitalism works (no pun intended).

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Merc14

Yes it does. It says we have finished laboring under what was once capitalism but is now a broken, predatory system of taking advantage of the working class, and that a new incarnation of government not built on the backs of the poor is coming.

Socialism has produced very little in the world and is the enemy of freedom. Capitalism has driven America to be the greatest power on earth and the richest. Freedom isn't easy and great accomplishments requires a free people and it is truly sad to see a generation embracing a failed system like socialism and, basically, giving up, as many sillenials seem to have, because they don't have the guts to face real life. "Take care of me Bernie. Pay for me Bernie, screw the achievers Bernie." The problem is, when all the achievers have abandoned ship it is just guys like you left and no one to fill the coffers. What happens then para? Don't vote man-child, you aren't qualified

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Merc14

I get it. I really do. I'm not much younger than you, and I notice the same changes in both the political sphere and the social sphere. Luckily, I see more division in the media than in my life. People, in my circle, don't put political differences before common humanity. That gives me hope. We realize that our shared humanity makes political and social differences secondary. I think that the PTB, through the media, instigate things. They distort and exaggerate political and racial conflicts to create more discord. I don't see as much discord in everyday life. It almost seems manufactured to a certain extent, although I realize that there really is more disunity than there was in the past. I try to not exacerbate the disunity, but I don't always succeed. I know where you're coming from, because you really do get sick and tired of the double standards and the hypocrisy. Hollywood takes a regular dump on my heritage, as well as my history, in such dishonest ways that Riefenstahl would blush. The progressive media's lies add to it. I don't use this aggravation as an excuse to lash out at the "opposition", though (most of the time :D ).

i hope you are right mate and the whole world isn't full of paras. We are a different generation but I am glad there are guys like you out there mate

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Yamato

Reagan was a real conservative, but he was forced to embrace the establishment players. He was no fan of the CFR or the TLC, but he accepted them when he filled some of his cabinet positions. One conspiracy theory claimed that the cabal was behind his shooting. You likely learned all about it before you even joined the forum.

I don't know anything about that CT actually. I bet it's been discussed here though.

Reagan was conservative-lite if you consider his debt acceleration as President. Fiscally he was conservative compared to every President since, but a precious few who came before him. A glance at the picture of the US's historical debt chart tells the story good enough for me. Looks to me like the last truly conservative President we had was Gerald Ford. Ford must not have known the evil commies were under our beds.

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