+OverSword Posted September 1, 2015 #1 Share Posted September 1, 2015 So what opinions do we have here? Should someone with male genitals have the right to use the women's locker room or restroom because they identify as female? Do the females with female genitalia have the right to protest? From the article: Nearly 200 students walked out of a Missouri high school on Monday because Lila Perry was changing in the girl’s locker room. While Caitlyn Jenner and other transgender celebrities have been greeted with almost universal acceptance, the road has been far rockier for transgender individuals such as Perry, the 17-year-old senior who is navigating new terrain at Hillsboro High School. “It wasn’t too long ago white people were saying, ‘I don’t feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with a black person,’ and history repeats itself,” Perry told Fox2. The nearly two-hour protest featured both those opposed to Perry using ladies’ facilities and those who supported her right to do so. “I’m not going to hurt their daughters,” said Perry, addressing concerned parents. “I’m not going to expose myself. I’m not a pervert. I’m a transgender woman. I’m a girl. I’m just in there to change, do my business, and that if they have any questions about being transgender, they are more than welcome to talk to me, and I’ll be happy to explain it.” Perry was stuck in the principal’s office – the school says for her safety – while her classmates debated her rights – and theirs. Part of the issue is that while Perry identifies as transgender, she still has male genitalia. Perry wears a wig and female clothing, but hasn’t undergone any medical operations to transform her body. “I find it offensive because Lila has not went through any procedure to become female,” student Sophie Beel told Fox2. “Putting on a dress and putting on a wig is not transgender to me.” Link 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted September 1, 2015 #2 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's stories like this that remind me of just how strange my society has become. And I have a trans-gendered childhood playmate m2f. But, she said, she is not there for cheap thrills or to expose herself. So let her have usage of the room. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +OverSword Posted September 1, 2015 Author Popular Post #3 Share Posted September 1, 2015 These days I probably could care less but back when I was a teenager I think this would have bothered me. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ashotep Posted September 1, 2015 Popular Post #4 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't want them to use the same locker room as me. Sorry but they have male parts including eyes and I don't. I have nothing against transgender people, all for them being able to be so but I should have my rights too. Edit: If transgender people are allowed to use the female locker rooms then there needs to be private changing and shower area's. Edited September 1, 2015 by Ashotep 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aztek Posted September 1, 2015 Popular Post #5 Share Posted September 1, 2015 “I’m not going to hurt their daughters,” said Perry, addressing concerned parents. “I’m not going to expose myself. I’m not a pervert. I’m a transgender woman. I’m a girl. I’m just in there to change, do my business, and that if they have any questions about being transgender, they are more than welcome to talk to me, and I’ll be happy to explain it.” no he is not, he may made himself look like one, but his dna has y chromosome, so he is a MALE. period 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 1, 2015 #6 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ashotep's solution is perfect imo. The individual said he didn't want to be segregated but it gets down to the rights of the majority I believe. Why should dozens of girls be made uncomfortable to be accepting of one individual's rights? If my daughter were wanting to shower and change in the guy's locker I'd feel the same way, though that situation really doesn't translate so well in our culture. Where does it end? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 1, 2015 Popular Post #7 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I hate to say it, but the member in question is less then welcome in a woman's changing room. Also, they're teenagers. If men are from Mars and women are from Venus, teenagers are from Hell. Awful creatures. The lass in question would probably be more comfortable in an isolated changing room away from everyone. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Careful_perspective Posted September 1, 2015 Popular Post #8 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Looking back on my Highschool days, and how insecure I was, the idea of this would have mortified me. At the time I had enough trouble changing in front of the other girls, let alone someone who wasn't anatomically born a female. And in my school we were NOT allowed to change in the bathroom stalls of the locker rooms, they were only for bathroom usage. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted September 1, 2015 #9 Share Posted September 1, 2015 i think you could have come up with a title that did not use an actual slur. if you are more interested in making the title fit than if it hurts other people, i'm not buying that you're sorry. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Michelle Posted September 1, 2015 Popular Post #10 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I wouldn't want to shower and change with a gay man in the room either. I don't understand the need to put so many people in an uncomfortable situation for the sake of one person. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted September 1, 2015 #11 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) edit: never mind, probably misreading Edited September 1, 2015 by seaturtlehorsesnake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntyseptic Posted September 1, 2015 #12 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Until he has a sex change procedure he is still a male and should use the changing rooms provided for his gender, I would not have been comfortable at school having a male in the changing rooms, I understand that he identifies himself as a female but he isn't one yet. If they let him use the changing rooms I wonder how many other males at the school will pretend to be transgender so they can use the ladies changing rooms and cop a good old perve? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted September 1, 2015 #13 Share Posted September 1, 2015 lol, nether he is a woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted September 1, 2015 #14 Share Posted September 1, 2015 a trans woman is not a gay man. The point was, a gay man has no interest in women. Do you think they should be able to use the girl's locker room too? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted September 1, 2015 #15 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Until he has a sex change procedure he is still a male and should use the changing rooms provided for his gender, I would not have been comfortable at school having a male in the changing rooms, I understand that he identifies himself as a female but he isn't one yet. If they let him use the changing rooms I wonder how many other males at the school will pretend to be transgender so they can use the ladies changing rooms and cop a good old perve? You know, there is an episode of South Park were Cartman pretends to be Transgender so that he can be able to poop in the girls bathroom because the men's is always taken. They end up making him his own personal bathroom which he is so pleased with. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted September 1, 2015 #16 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Until he has a sex change procedure he is still a male and should use the changing rooms provided for his gender, there is no such thing as sex change procedure, a male will never become female, have ovalries, and give birth, no female will ever become male, no sugery will change her dna add y chromosome, , and such "male" will never be able to "knock up" another woman. all this procedure is, a cosmetic mutilation. not a sex change procedure Edited September 1, 2015 by aztek 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted September 1, 2015 #17 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) here: http://tranifesto.co...c-restroom-use/ edit: also you can read this if you want. http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/2013/11/transgender-women-in-womens-restrooms-a-purely-imagined-harm/ Edited September 1, 2015 by seaturtlehorsesnake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntyseptic Posted September 1, 2015 #18 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) there is no such thing as sex change procedure, a male will never become female, have ovalries, and give birth, no female will ever become male, no sugery will change her dna add y chromosome, , and such "male" will never be able to "knock up" another woman. all this procedure is, a cosmetic mutilation. not a sex change procedure Ok thanks for educating me, I was sure I had heard it referred to it before as a sex change procedure before, That's all, Also I was shocked to discover that somebody without ovaries will never give birth, This is why I love it here, Always people here to tell you what's what Edited September 1, 2015 by Cat_From_Hell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted September 1, 2015 #19 Share Posted September 1, 2015 here: http://tranifesto.co...c-restroom-use/ edit: also you can read this if you want. http://freethoughtblogs.com/zinniajones/2013/11/transgender-women-in-womens-restrooms-a-purely-imagined-harm/ But this isn't about bathrooms, this is about locker rooms. Where everyone changes together, in front of each other. Very different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaturtlehorsesnake Posted September 1, 2015 #20 Share Posted September 1, 2015 But this isn't about bathrooms, this is about locker rooms. Where everyone changes together, in front of each other. Very different. the article talks quite a bit about restrooms as well, and if the locker room has private changing stalls (as many do) than it's still a similar issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 1, 2015 #21 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Ok thanks for educating me, I was sure I had heard it referred to it before as a sex change procedure before, That's all, Also I was shocked to discover that somebody without ovaries will never give birth, This is why I love it here, Always people here to tell you what's what It IS such a relief, no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted September 1, 2015 #22 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Ok thanks for educating me, I was sure I had heard it referred to it before as a sex change procedure before, That's all, Also I was shocked to discover that somebody without ovaries will never give birth, This is why I love it here, Always people here to tell you what's what well sure, if you refer a cosmetic mutilation as sex change procedure(that does not change sex) you will have people tell you what is what. Edited September 1, 2015 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auntyseptic Posted September 1, 2015 #23 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It IS such a relief, no? Yes, I don't know how I'd get through life if it wasn't for people stating the bleeding obvious to me. well sure, if you refer a cosmetic mutilation as sex change procedure(that does not change sex) you will have people tell you what is what. Nah, Just you it seems 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzoid Posted September 1, 2015 #24 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I'm personally for gender-nautral bathrooms, or urinal/non urinal bathrooms. You have to take into consideration the safety of trans people, too. Many MtF trans people don't feel safe in the men's room. I go out to bars and stuff with my friend all the time, and she still uses the men's room because she doesn't want to cause a scene, even though she's been harassed in the male bathrooms. Also, trans is not a sexuality, so setting aside the fact that it's painfully stupid to say that a MtF trans person still has "male eyes," doesn't mean they're attracted to women. Lesbians are allowed in women's locker rooms, right? No problem there... Until it does become a problem, in which case I'd recommend banning the individual. Now, I can acknowledge that in schools, it may be difficult. But to touch on what WoodsBooger said, teens are insecure. Give them private places to change! I remeber very clearly waiting for everyone else to leave the locker room before I'd change, making me late to class. People would make fun of each other, bully each other, steal things from each other, Jesus I remember hearing about boys peeing on each other's clothes at least once a month. Those are far more pressing issues in locker rooms I think we should worry about. So, tl:dr, give everyone more private space to change, possibly introduce more non-binary bathrooms and locker rooms, and stop being shallow. Now, I'm just going to leave this, Alice Dreger's TEDTalk "Is Anatomy Destiny?" here: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted September 1, 2015 #25 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) apperantly not so obvious, since you refer as sex change procedure to something that does not change sex at all, apperantly obvious things you do not see. Edited September 1, 2015 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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