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yes true , i hear from some they eat pork but then they do haram simple .........the only time when its not an issue if it has to do with survival not all muslim are muslim they just carry the label as christians do but dont practice

we follow same what christians should follow regarding eating pork

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Apparently German sausage can be made of any kind of meat but is usually pork, veal or beef.....

Hope that doesn't get tricky....

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Germany has many places they can go to get '' Halal '' but that is just a deception, there is no Halal meat . except if its imported from holland and that is way to expensive . chances are as someone said before , many will maybe change their ways some will be hypocrites some will stick to their teachings of islam .

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"they eat like you "except" pork..."

she misspelled "accept"....

Anyhow.......

I just finished a job for an older couple a while back and the husband was stationed in Saudi Arabia in the 70's as a chemical engineer[fertilizer]. He told me that many of his coworkers drank hard alcohol. He said if they had to do a trip outside the country immediately the booze would be out..... they didn't dare drink in Saudi Arabia but as soon as they were in the air on the plane the drinks came out...... hahaha

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a true muslim dont drink nor smoke nor kill nor inflict harm in the name of allah swt never ever ... isis can never be muslim they are posers and liars and they kill us muslim they want us gone

Did not the Prophet Mohammad kill many? Isn't he the example all Muslims aim for? It is true I've read, that a Muslim should never kill another Muslim, but I've also read that the Shia don't consider the ****e to be real Muslim, and the ****e don't consider the Shia to be real Muslim, so then it is OK for them to fight each other and not break that rule.

The point still remains if there are bad Muslims, who drink and smoke, who are still considered Muslim, then how can ISIS be separated from Islam when they are still within the rules which have been established? It is very hard to tell who is the good Muslim and who is the bad Muslim. How can Germany pick out the couple bad ones out of every hundred and keep those ones out, but allow the peaceful people in?

i totally agree to that thats how it should be . So i ask the same in return when they come to our house why they do what they wish to do without obeying our customs traditions and /or religion ??????? but you know the difference between us muslims and westerners is that we tolerate it and dont hate nor criticise

I don't know about that. It seem in the Middle East I read about criticism of Westerners all the time. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia... even Pakistan, complain about Westerners fairly regularly.

i have been in several muslim countries and nowhere do foreigners really respect other people traditions and i never hear complains and my country is morocco

Morocco. It is a very nice place. I agree that Westerners who come there should recognize the rules and try to fit in, rather then force themselves on your country as if it were Europe.

where did i say that muslims are fine eating pig ???? chrisitinas shouldnt either btw . i said that many visit our country and complained we severe no pig so against our believes voila we did ...

OK, I see where I misunderstood.

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"they eat like you "except" pork..."

she misspelled "accept"....

Anyhow.......

I just finished a job for an older couple a while back and the husband was stationed in Saudi Arabia in the 70's as a chemical engineer[fertilizer]. He told me that many of his coworkers drank hard alcohol. He said if they had to do a trip outside the country immediately the booze would be out..... they didn't dare drink in Saudi Arabia but as soon as they were in the air on the plane the drinks came out...... hahaha

they drink alcohol everywhere just not in the open as it is in other countries . and many people that live in tourists cities live just like europeans . in germany and america i saw many eat pork . and then you had hypocrites that ate pork at the potlock and acted like they didnt know when i told them they tried to induce vomit . thats totally hypocrite because in case of starvation we are allowed to eat it he wouldnt have vomited then ...

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Did not the Prophet Mohammad kill many? Isn't he the example all Muslims aim for? It is true I've read, that a Muslim should never kill another Muslim, but I've also read that the Shia don't consider the ****e to be real Muslim, and the ****e don't consider the Shia to be real Muslim, so then it is OK for them to fight each other and not break that rule.

can you please tell me where you get the information that the prophet pbuh killed many there is one and that's the Battle of uhud .A muslim should never kill exactly but so shouldnt others and they do . Allah swt even said in the quran that all people get judged even muhammad pbuh . we often ask ourselves if we are being confronted and our life is threatened would we not fight for our life ? He gave each prophets pbut different abilities each one of them had something special but allah swt said they are still men in flesh . i cant read the ***** i dont know what it means but yes we struggle so much with each other everybody think they are right and they even kill each other in the name of allah swt . absolutely it will not be easy to detect who is who even for us and i could give several examples we never know who we really deal with but on the other hand its very simple . a good muslim you will hear by his mouth and by his actions and those you scream the loudest and have horrible actions those are not from us as i said they are posers and ask for our downfall they want islam to fall .

The point still remains if there are bad Muslims, who drink and smoke, who are still considered Muslim, then how can ISIS be separated from Islam when they are still within the rules which have been established? It is very hard to tell who is the good Muslim and who is the bad Muslim. How can Germany pick out the couple bad ones out of every hundred and keep those ones out, but allow the peaceful people in?

in all my honesty many muslims are misguided but if you see a girl who covers in good faith let her if it is her will because it should be her will . that means in most cases that she tries to at least follow islam . dont battle her why she dressed like that unless she questions your dress code . Dont assume and feel sorry for some women and think they have no equal rights a good muslim man would never harm his women or oppress her . if you see people behave in a good manner yet in a strange way dont lecture them unless they lecture you . accept their ways as long as they move in their circle of their religion . the ones that demand the ones that scream the ones that push believes on you those look out for ... if they ask respect and act out of line and mention their religion be firm and challenge them with knowledge or ask them if their behavior is according to the sunnah . in all reality i agree its hard . some will behave just like westerners then they should blend in i guess .

as far as isis we dont know either ... all i can say is pray lol even if your not religious ... again we here fear the same as any other country

I don't know about that. It seem in the Middle East I read about criticism of Westerners all the time. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia... even Pakistan, complain about Westerners fairly regularly.

i give you my point of view ... in all my honesty ...we and i talk in general ...can never make it right for the west we just cant . we call ourselves muslims the west see we do bad here it goes look at the muslims . West say become more modern but what is modern ??? maybe you can help me out too and lets brainstorm a bit what you liked to see changed and we exchange views .

Morocco. It is a very nice place. I agree that Westerners who come there should recognize the rules and try to fit in, rather then force themselves on your country as if it were Europe.

sadly thats a fact but we are tolerant but i would like to give a small story . i was at the beach and there was the tourists sun bathing topless even though its advised not to do but by now we are used to naked tourists hhhh but there were two young girls , and they talk with on of the tour guides for riding camel . they was of course in their bikini and the girl ask if they could take some pictures with the camels the man said yes . suddenly the girl takes her top of and places her breast on the camels head and she moved around on the camel in a very strange way posing for the camera . then the other girl was very acrobatic and made a handstand and open her legs and moved around all in all to me it bordered on soft porn . people included other tourists was shocked i think the only ones who enjoyed it was the man and his camel lol . i had to say something that was just too much . many women walk around topless along the beach . its a muslim country and we have laws too and if something happens they never say she was raped by a man no they say it was a muslim ...a muslim doesnt rape if he does he isnt one but we always hear the muslim .

to round it up yes morocco is my heart its beautiful and i dont want our traditions fall we already struggle

OK, I see where I misunderstood.

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WTH have muslim food habits to do with the topic?

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WTH have muslim food habits to do with the topic?

Bacon was brought up in jest, if I remember correctly, and one poster hasn't let it go yet. But I stand by to defend bacon. If we're not supposed to eat it, then why did whichever god make it taste so good?

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And it's starting to sound like the actual "radical" muslims are the ones that don't follow their religion closely and "by the book".

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muslims foods what is that ?

I wrote "muslim food habits" and not "muslims foods", 2 different things.

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i didnt start the topic about bacon or pork someone else did and i dont remember ...

I wrote "muslim food habits" and not "muslims foods", 2 different things.

what is a muslim food habit i dont get it

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Immigrants always lean left wing where the handouts are promised. Which is also why they skip safe countries just to get to nations with benefits. But it's all about greed for money and votes. The more immigrants the left can get into a nation, the bigger voting base to assure themselves absolute consolidation of power over Conservatives. Ever notice how the left of almost every civil nation focuses primarily on minorities and social issues? Mark my words. These leftist Governments will soon be pushing through bills to ease restrictions on immigrant voting, under the guise of 'liberty' & 'freedom'.

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what is a muslim food habit i dont get it

Halal, pork/no-pork, alcohol etc.

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Halal, pork/no-pork, alcohol etc.

thats not only muslim food habit actually it was in the bible first ,but your right back to topic

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Bacon was brought up in jest, if I remember correctly, and one poster hasn't let it go yet. But I stand by to defend bacon. If we're not supposed to eat it, then why did whichever god make it taste so good?

Maybe it was the Devil who made it taste so good? :devil:

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Mohammed Atta, the alleged pilot of flight 11 which slammed into the N tower, supposedly frequented strip bars while living in Florida with his coherts in crime. Witnesses say they drank alcohol and did drugs. He also had a blonde haired blue eyed caucasian girl friend. With these facts is still weird to believe many ignorant folk say they only did it to get 72 virgins.... doesn't make any sense.

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can you please tell me where you get the information that the prophet pbuh killed many there is one and that's the Battle of uhud .A muslim should never kill exactly but so shouldnt others and they do . Allah swt even said in the quran that all people get judged even muhammad pbuh . we often ask ourselves if we are being confronted and our life is threatened would we not fight for our life ? He gave each prophets pbut different abilities each one of them had something special but allah swt said they are still men in flesh . i cant read the ***** i dont know what it means but yes we struggle so much with each other everybody think they are right and they even kill each other in the name of allah swt . absolutely it will not be easy to detect who is who even for us and i could give several examples we never know who we really deal with but on the other hand its very simple . a good muslim you will hear by his mouth and by his actions and those you scream the loudest and have horrible actions those are not from us as i said they are posers and ask for our downfall they want islam to fall .

I thought the Prophet was a warrior and ordered,or led, many attacks against Mecca after being forced to flee to Medina. Finally invading Mecca and conquering it with not much blood shed. But defiantly he killed, or ordered killed many people. Ascribed to him is the quote: ""Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged -truly Allah has the power to come to their support- those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, 'Our Lord is Allah'..." (Quran, 22:39-40)", and: "Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)"

http://www.****************.com/quran/023-violence.htm

These seem to indicate it is OK for Muslims to kill if it is in physical defense, or in defense of their beliefs.

The "****" I was trying to say Shi'ite. But the posting filters thought I meant another word. I was referring to the split between Sunni and Shi'a, where the Shia have been persecuted and even the killing of them has been promoted by various leaders. Though these people promoting that killing might fall into the category of "bad Muslims". Saddam Hussein in Iraq was one such leader.

in all my honesty many muslims are misguided but if you see a girl who covers in good faith let her if it is her will because it should be her will . that means in most cases that she tries to at least follow islam . dont battle her why she dressed like that unless she questions your dress code . Dont assume and feel sorry for some women and think they have no equal rights a good muslim man would never harm his women or oppress her . if you see people behave in a good manner yet in a strange way dont lecture them unless they lecture you . accept their ways as long as they move in their circle of their religion . the ones that demand the ones that scream the ones that push believes on you those look out for ... if they ask respect and act out of line and mention their religion be firm and challenge them with knowledge or ask them if their behavior is according to the sunnah . in all reality i agree its hard . some will behave just like westerners then they should blend in i guess .

I don't believe anyone is saying to turn away woman and children who are seeking aid, but that we only are able to know who they are and where they came from. I agree that those who are abusive should be confronted and their right to be abusive challenged.

as far as isis we dont know either ... all i can say is pray lol even if your not religious ... again we here fear the same as any other country

It is too bad they do not wear a uniform, or some symbol. They would then be a lot easier to identify.

i give you my point of view ... in all my honesty ...we and i talk in general ...can never make it right for the west we just cant . we call ourselves muslims the west see we do bad here it goes look at the muslims . West say become more modern but what is modern ??? maybe you can help me out too and lets brainstorm a bit what you liked to see changed and we exchange views .

I, myself, don't think Muslims need to be more European. Perhaps more educated, but not more European/American. There is no reason to kill a culture when it is an abusive part of society that is the underlying problem.

sadly thats a fact but we are tolerant but i would like to give a small story . i was at the beach and there was the tourists sun bathing topless even though its advised not to do but by now we are used to naked tourists hhhh but there were two young girls , and they talk with on of the tour guides for riding camel . they was of course in their bikini and the girl ask if they could take some pictures with the camels the man said yes . suddenly the girl takes her top of and places her breast on the camels head and she moved around on the camel in a very strange way posing for the camera . then the other girl was very acrobatic and made a handstand and open her legs and moved around all in all to me it bordered on soft porn . people included other tourists was shocked i think the only ones who enjoyed it was the man and his camel lol . i had to say something that was just too much . many women walk around topless along the beach . its a muslim country and we have laws too and if something happens they never say she was raped by a man no they say it was a muslim ...a muslim doesnt rape if he does he isnt one but we always hear the muslim .

to round it up yes morocco is my heart its beautiful and i dont want our traditions fall we already struggle

Sounds like Frenchmen (Frenchwoman?) to me.

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