Jeremy Corbyn becomes new Labour Party leader

[Duke Wellington]

Some real strange thinking going on here. question when these industries where owned by the Public, Nationalised. the British people where paying twice. once when they paid their Bill and twice through Government subsidies from general taxation. these companies now generate a profit, of which billions is paid in tax to the governments coffers. explain why it was better back under nationalisation?

Because for him it was free.

Never mind everyone on more than £18,000 a year that had to pay extra for it.

[Phaeton80]

Because for him it was free.

Never mind everyone on more than £18,000 a year that had to pay extra for it.

Funny. You have a distinct quality to bent reality to magically fit your own paradigm. Not everyone verbalizing what I did is 'lower class'. Not everyone verbalizes only that which he or she personally profits from, however a shock that might be for you.

To adress your personal concerns regarding my income; I have never been unemployed in my professional life and presently hold an advisor position at the DoD, granting me a handsome annual income.

[stevewinn]

Thanks for the examples Steve. So you think it lunacy to advocate a Republic instead of a monarchy. You might think royalty is something that belongs in the 21st century, personally I do not.

NATO has changed from a defensive pact to an expantionalist offensive endaevor which is more and more posing a serious threat to the independence of sovereign nations. It is a train hurdling towards a certain goal defined by elements any single nation does not have any real control over. Every nation should seriously consider if they like where that train is heading.

Austerity has been implemented because of the bad political policy of the past ~8 years, including but not limited to the bail outs granted to private entities who participated in or were victim of fraudulent financial transactions and a general culture of risk taking with external monetary assets. A phenomena, crime rather, which continues to this day unabated.

The excessive unequality in ownership of monetary assets is indeed reaching such levels that it has a direct effect in the welfare of society, obviously not limited to GB. When the richest 1% hold more wealth than the rest of the world combined, its safe to conclude this is going to have a detrimental effect on the equilibrium of any given (int) society. Clearly a very unhealthy situation.

Whatever your personal opinion might be concerning what I just stated; I think labelling these notions as 'loony' to be somewhat premature and, well, uncalled for.

I think all his principle policies are ludicracy, and we'll see the results of such thinking in the future when it comes time to vote.

Because the prices go up and the quality often goes down in the present situation. 'Billions' paid in taxes as a rule are never seen by regular Joe on the corner o/t street. All he knows prices of education, electricity, water, gas and public transport (etc) go up. These are basic necessities of every society, the very foundations even, and therefor should never be focused on profit - but on availability for all.

I think you need to look into the UK under Nationalisation. everything under public ownership was costing the British tax payer billions in subsidies and the service was aweful. as for the Utility companies Gas, Water, Electric etc.. the Infrastructure was crumbling after years of neglect and inward investment was kept to an absolute minimum. its a legacy that still exists to this very day, the UK is 20 years behind where it needs to be. - as a result of this and also EU legislation on power plants this winter we face the very real threat of blackouts. (keep an eye out for future posts)

The Utility companies are regulated by Ofgem. which sets limits on the companies. - at present the Utility companies make 5% profit from each customer. in comparison the Green tax set by Government on the same bill is 10%.

If the Utilities where owned by the government with just a 5% profit margin, how much room does the government have to manoeuver? what radical difference would we see? with profit not a driver waste would soon follow.

On tax generated by these now privatised sectors - The taxation from these companies goes in the "pot" which is the same pot the NHS is paid out of which i think you'd agree is a very a visible indicator for "regular joe" to notice. Maybe people just need educating on taxation and how its raised here in the UK: a lot of people still think the NHS is wholly funded through National Insurance contributions.

Some people regard private enterprise as a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look on it as a cow they can milk. Not enough people see it as a healthy horse, pulling a sturdy wagon.

Edited September 12, 2015 by stevewinn

[Phaeton80]

Steve, we could probably debate the effects of privatization all night long if we wanted to. The original point however, was centred around using words like 'loony leftist' to label people arguing against it. The moment we start disqualifying eachother by throwing around terms like 'loony' or 'nutcase' instead of actually adressing the individual points with (cited) arguments we will end up in some caricature, empoverishment of true politics. The United States seems to be the trendsetter in this instance as well, we seem to be following suit.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Phaeton80

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Heaven forbid we tax people equitably and close the loop holes that mean "I earns eleventy-one million pound this year and paid four pence 60 in tax".

[Border Collie]

Actually, the British electorate will do to Corbyn in 2020 what they did to Foot in 1983, Kinnock in 1987 and 1992 and Miliband in 2015. One thing the British public doesn't like is being dictated to by a left-wing, socialist loon. It seems that the Labour socialist dinosaurs keep forgetting that and still attempt to take this country back to the dark days of the 1970s when they wrecked this country through their socialist policies. By elected loony Corbyn, they've given us another Tory government in 2020. Just remember that.

In my opinion, the best politician in Britain right now is Mr Farage. he'd wipe the floor with Corbyn in any head to head debate. Vote Ukip in 2020.

Regurgitating the Telegraph and the Mail.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

Printing money to buy back privatized entities so it once more belongs to the British People, instead of all but giving it away to banks, is indeed a ridiculous notion if I ever did hear one.

I think that was what I was trying to say........

Unless you think it's rational to print money for lunatic enterprises.

Edited September 12, 2015 by shaddow134

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

Some real strange thinking going on here. question when these industries where owned by the Public, Nationalised. the British people where paying twice. once when they paid their Bill and twice through Government subsidies from general taxation. these companies now generate a profit, of which billions is paid in tax to the governments coffers. explain why it was better back under nationalisation?

The railways were great back then, the rolling stock was slow dirty and outdated.Industrial action the norm.

Of course the present day owners would hand Commie Corbyn and his marxist comrades everything back for nothing.The guy is a total lunatic and for the next couple of years or so PM's Question time should provide a lot of comedic entertainment.

[Harry_Dresden]

Well agree or disagree with his stance Corbyn is a Breath of fresh air and good for British politics. the two main political parties had become so close you couldnt tell where New Labour ended and the Tory party began. with Labour now lurching to the Left, the Tories Centre Right. there is a clear divide and real choice for people. with the Lib Dems and UKIP to supplement that Politics in Britain just might be getting the shake up thats required and long overdue.

In the coming weeks there will be another vote in Parliment on Bombing Syria. the media coverage of the Migrants and Assad chemical weapons. the Propaganda as already started. Corbyn as already said he'd vote against Bombing Syria/Assad and expect the Labour Party to back him. - But you can bet the disgruntled Labour politicians who were against Corbyn will vote against Corbyn in a move of defiance and Back the Tory's and Military strikes Against Syria/Assad will take place. You heard it here first. Britain will vote to Bomb Syria.

Agree! The political pendulum has shifted so far to the right, to the point that there is no difference in policy the between both political camps, just the way its implemented. Corbyn wants to nationalise the utilities. Good luck to him. He sounds alot like Tsipras and without the tie. I hope they don't break him.

[Shayde]

For those overseas and indeed some of our UK lot, we ought to remember that it's the Labour Party itself that's put Corbyn in charge. It doesn't mean that Britain has lurched towards the left, just that the majority of the party members - and you now have to wonder that if they votes that were removed were now counted, just how much of a lead would Corbyn really have got - have decided they've had enough of the "legacy" left by Blair. Y'know, wear a nice suit, be all inclusive and say whatever you need to get people to vote for you. But will Corbyn lead Labour to victory in either any by-election of indeed the General Election? Only time will tell...

Couple of things spotted yesterday that raised a giggle:

1. That rally he went to after the vote, where I think it was Billy Bragg that sang The Red Flag? It's been that long since that song's been heard, hardly anyone knew the words...

2. Just LOVED the looks on the faces of Cooper and Burnham as the result was made. Sort of "Waah, he took my ball away!"

3. And last but always least, John Prescott. Not only changing his tune midway during an interview, that yes, he did support Burnham, but he actually likes Corbyn, but then walking past a camera went eh questions were done. Why did that make me laugh? Well, he was all smiles and happy for the camera, and as soon as it was finished, face went to thunder and off he went muttering...

[Space Commander Travis]

My word, the daily Mail is hilarious isn't it. Anti-monarchy, anti-austerity and a defender of Putin, ISIS and Palestinian terrorists

So Putin is on the same level of monstrousness as ISIS! People have a good old laugh at mr. C, but he's beaten hands down for absurdity by the rightwing tabloid bottomfeeding media.

[Space Commander Travis]

Maybe the Rank & File thought they were voting for Jeremy Clarkson.

[spud the mackem]

I still cannot believe the the Labour Party has put this man into power, they must have a secret plan, as old Churchill said "You can't fool all of the people all of the time", let us wait and see what Question time brings up.

[Black Monk]

Regurgitating the Telegraph and the Mail.

Two of the best and most popular newspapers in the United Kingdom.

[Black Monk]

For those overseas and indeed some of our UK lot, we ought to remember that it's the Labour Party itself that's put Corbyn in charge. It doesn't mean that Britain has lurched towards the left, just that the majority of the party members - and you now have to wonder that if they votes that were removed were now counted, just how much of a lead would Corbyn really have got - have decided they've had enough of the "legacy" left by Blair. Y'know, wear a nice suit, be all inclusive and say whatever you need to get people to vote for you. But will Corbyn lead Labour to victory in either any by-election of indeed the General Election? Only time will tell...

Couple of things spotted yesterday that raised a giggle:

1. That rally he went to after the vote, where I think it was Billy Bragg that sang The Red Flag? It's been that long since that song's been heard, hardly anyone knew the words...

2. Just LOVED the looks on the faces of Cooper and Burnham as the result was made. Sort of "Waah, he took my ball away!"

3. And last but always least, John Prescott. Not only changing his tune midway during an interview, that yes, he did support Burnham, but he actually likes Corbyn, but then walking past a camera went eh questions were done. Why did that make me laugh? Well, he was all smiles and happy for the camera, and as soon as it was finished, face went to thunder and off he went muttering...

Nah. Britain has not lurched to the Left - at least not most of it.

A new Survation poll has shown that Britons believe Labour will not win the next TWO elections. 39% believe Labour will lose the next two elections as opposed to 22% who don't believe that. 44% believe Cameron would make the best Prime Minister as opposed to 27% who believe Corbyn would. A quarter of people say they are now LESS likely to vote for Labour.

http://www.dailymail...new-leader.html

As for the singing of the Red Flag, before Billy Bragg sang it yesterday I think the last time it was sung was in parliament in February 2006 to mark the centenary of the Labour Party's founding, and the last time it was sung before that was on the evening of 28th March 1979 when a motion of no confidence brought down the Labour Government. Blair tried to downplay its role when he was leader.

Edited September 13, 2015 by Black Monk

[Black Monk]

Maybe the Rank & File thought they were voting for Jeremy Clarkson.

Jeremy Clarkson is a legend. He'd make a great PM, just saying it as it is and just doing what needs to be done.

[Duke Wellington]

The railways were great back then, the rolling stock was slow dirty and outdated.Industrial action the norm.

Of course the present day owners would hand Commie Corbyn and his marxist comrades everything back for nothing.The guy is a total lunatic and for the next couple of years or so PM's Question time should provide a lot of comedic entertainment.

I think he is an economic disaster waiting to happen but will beat Cameron, and crucially the SNP, in the next election.

While the low-income will vote for him it will be UKIP splitting the Tory vote that gets Corbyn into Downing Street. He will nationalise a range of industries, the poor will celebrate, meanwhile UK corporations which have to fund his schemes through higher corporate taxes or suffer from high interest rates if he prints money will find it hard competing in Global markets. The economy will shrink in real terms.

Why doesn't Cameron take the £12 billion being spent each year on foreign aid and found us new high-tech industries in things such as car manufacturing, electronics and computers? What about establish Britain as the first and leading nation in 3D printing products? We could easily gain technological superiority with the amount of money we are giving away to India and places. We could even establish a Mars or Moon base with that kind of money.

[Phaeton80]

I think that was what I was trying to say........

Unless you think it's rational to print money for lunatic enterprises.

Dude.. I was being cynical. And what do you even mean by 'lunatic enterprises'?! You know whats a lunatic enterprise? 'Systembanks' which function as investment banks, gobbling up all the profit, yet when gigantic losses are made following the enormous risk they take.. it is forwarded to the taxpayer. Thats lunacy for you.

Some comments here seem perfectly up side down to me. Some semblance of a Stockholm syndrome variant. And Jeremy Clarkson? My god. I think its about time for me to remove myself from this.. discussion. You know, before I go and throw around terms like loony, nutter and what have you.

[Black Monk]

I think he is an economic disaster waiting to happen but will beat Cameron

[stevewinn]

I think he is an economic disaster waiting to happen but will beat Cameron, and crucially the SNP, in the next election.

While the low-income will vote for him it will be UKIP splitting the Tory vote that gets Corbyn into Downing Street. He will nationalise a range of industries, the poor will celebrate, meanwhile UK corporations which have to fund his schemes through higher corporate taxes or suffer from high interest rates if he prints money will find it hard competing in Global markets. The economy will shrink in real terms.

Why doesn't Cameron take the £12 billion being spent each year on foreign aid and found us new high-tech industries in things such as car manufacturing, electronics and computers? What about establish Britain as the first and leading nation in 3D printing products? We could easily gain technological superiority with the amount of money we are giving away to India and places. We could even establish a Mars or Moon base with that kind of money.

£12Billion on foreign aid plus £19.2Billion to the EU. (2014) total £31.2 Billion. Government cuts this year £27Billion. instead of cuts take the £27Billion out of that combined Aid/EU money (£31.2Billion) - leaving £4.2Billion spare. which we could use on foreign aid. meaning people both here at home and abroad benefit.

or we continue as we are and in ten years time we'd have spent £192Billion on the EU and £120Billion on foreign Aid. imagine the projects we could do here at home with £312Billion to spend over the next ten years. you know its going horribly wrong when the foreign aid budget was written into law at 0.7% of GDP which as to be spent each year. £1 Billion hadnt been spent but by law it had to be - so they searched for somewhere to spend it, just for spending it sake. the civil servant incharge recieved a bonus of £20,000for hitting the target of 100% budget spend. thats how crazy its become.

Edited September 13, 2015 by stevewinn

[Duke Wellington]

£12Billion on foreign aid plus £19.2Billion to the EU. (2014) total £31.2 Billion. Government cuts this year £27Billion. instead of cuts take the £27Billion out of that combined Aid/EU money (£31.2Billion) - leaving £4.2Billion spare. which we could use on foreign aid. meaning people both here at home and abroad benefit.

or we continue as we are and in ten years time we'd have spent £192Billion on the EU and £120Billion on foreign Aid. imagine the projects we could do here at home with £312Billion to spend over the next ten years. you know its going horribly wrong when the foreign aid budget was written into law at 0.7% of GDP which as to be spent each year. £1 Billion hadnt been spent but by law it had to be - so they searched for somewhere to spend it, just for spending it sake. the civil servant incharge recieved a bonus of £20,000for hitting the target of 100% budget spend. thats how crazy its become.

Imagine establishing a few computer plants around the country and saying instead of £1 billion foreign aid going to this or that country they can have it in computers. It gets the industry re-established, once up and running we can invest in it to make it a market leader, once it has gained that position it can be privatised and start producing millions of extra units for selling around the globe. The same for cars, televisions, robots, etc. We would just need to make sure we don't provide the capability to compete with us so we can sustain our dominance.

The fact these are initially government funded to produce charitable products to replace foreign aids allows us to protect these industries without trade barriers which aren't allowed inside the EU.

[questionmark]

in related news:

MORE than 15,000 people have joined Labour in the 24 hours since Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader, the party said.

General secretary Iain McNicol said membership was “now over 325,000 and rising”

“A warm welcome to the 15,500 who have joined in the last 24 hours,” he wrote on Twitter.

Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/labour-gains-15k-members-after-jeremy-corbyn-win-1-3885501#ixzz3le19G5LA

Hmm... a catastrophe looks different, I would say...

[stevewinn]

in related news:

Hmm... a catastrophe looks different, I would say...

well they have to put a positive spin on it. after all the Labour party are in a spin, well more like a death spiral.

cast your mind back to the last election the Lib Dems died a death, 24hrs later 7,296 new members had joined the Liberal Democrats

like lemmings old boy throwing themselves off a cliff.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

i think a lot of the ground swell is due to finally having an alternative to the policies of Thatcher which have been followed for the last 30years. Its hard to grasp the lingering hatred that there still is for the woman, and Jeremy is fairly representative of a whole generation of people who literally despised her - a disenfranchised generation for the whole period of New Labour and what followed.

Thatcher still casts a long shadow, but sometime in not to obvious ways.

The inevitability of the 2008 crash on the back of Thatchers policies has not gone unnoticed by the thinking working person.

Br Cornelius

[Space Commander Travis]

Surely it's more the feebleness of every leader, of every party, there's been since then, who have all without exception tried to continue with the status quo that she laid the ground for, that people have got fed up with. The more I've read about Mrs. T and what the country was like before she came to power, the more I've come to respect the old battleaxe.

Edited September 13, 2015 by Norbert the Powerful