Refugees Begin Hunger Strike

[Occult1]

Biggest mistake we ever made was going into Iraq. But we didn't invade Syria.

But the West has funded and armed rebel groups and thus contributed in distabilizing Syria, in a bid to overthrow the Assad regime.

Edited September 17, 2015 by Phenix20

[Dark_Grey]

If it was easy to comb that many people and separate the genuine refugees from economic migrants (and from freeloaders and from actual terrorists and from who knows who else)... it would be done by now. But it's not easy, it takes time.

I do not approve of letting kids drop dead while waiting to see who hails from which hellhole.

Sorry but the "grant asylum and figure it out later" doesn't really work logistically as when you are ready for the "figure it out" stage, terrorists have already infiltrated your country. It's easy to open doors and let everyone in, but it's extremely hard to kick them back out (Sweden is a glowing example of what "open borders" does to a native culture). Hungary is just doing what they believe is best for Hungary - every nation should be granted the right to decide what to do with their own borders, without scrutiny. Saudi Arabia has more money than god but they blatantly could care less about anyone but themselves. Same with Israel because "we are afraid of losing our identity". Irony at it's best.

Let's give it a few months and check back in on the nation that allowed refugees and the one's that didn't. That should tell us everything we need to know going forward

[Dark_Grey]

It doesn't matter if they are only poor families or not. Why should it make a difference? Most of Syria is a pile of rubble and under ISIS control either way.

If there are able-bodied young man in the lot I say so much the better for us. They will have no problem finding general labor jobs eventually.

I wish I shared your optimism man...I hope you're right and I'm wrong about this

[Occult1]

'If You Are Worried About Refugees, Stop Supporting Terrorists' - Assad Interview:

Link: https://www.rt.com/news/315431-assad-interview-refugee-terrorists/

[Thorvir]

Just read on CNN Hungary uses teargas on children ... wtf what crappy country,

Right. How dare a country defend it's borders...

[meryt-tetisheri]

It doesn't matter if they are only poor families or not. Why should it make a difference? Most of Syria is a pile of rubble and under ISIS control either way.

If there are able-bodied young man in the lot I say so much the better for us. They will have no problem finding general labor jobs eventually.

What is a refugee?

''A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her country because of persecution, war, or violence. A refugee has a well-founded fear of persecution for reasons of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group. Most likely, they cannot return home or are afraid to do so. War and ethnic, tribal and religious violence are leading causes of refugees fleeing their countries.''

Source: http://www.unrefugee...t-is-a-refugee/

I cannot help but compare the images of the young able-bodied, healthy young men (who could walk hundreds of kilometers to Europe) lobbing stones at the Hungarian police, with those of the young Kurdish teenage girls who stayed in the "pile-of-rubble" Syria to fight ISIS. Some of these girls braved the bullets of the Turkish police to arrive to Syria and join the YPJ. Call me old fashioned, but I believe that the honorable thing to do is to stand one's ground and fight for your country. The numbers of those who fled far exceeds the numbers of ISIS fighters!

While it is easier to blame Europe for not taking in enough refugees, no one is as concerned that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait..etc which all funneled funds and arms to create that pile of rubble, did not take in any refugees. They prefer to protect their population and culture! Why is it less reprehensible that China, Japan, South Africa, Korea.....did not take any refugees, if finding a safe haven is the issue?

I think these young men should be trained, armed, and sent back to Syria to fight against ISIS and free their country from what is, to a large extent, a foreign invasion of terrorists.

[Thorvir]

my sympathy FOR Hungary was gone when they built that fence. Do you know how money apartments and houses are empty and unused. Do you know how many jobs arent done because nobody wants to. There are enough possibilities to give them temporary housing and maybe an opertunity to start a new life.

You seem to be very generous with other peoples property and land. How many "refugees" are shacking up with you currently?

Generally I am fed up reading news since;

nations failed to combat the economic crisis 2008, instead they put up measures which lengthened the crisis and which will lead to a very bad climax

they failed Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia... actually they fueled the conflicts there and propapbly instigated them

they failed internationally rebooting a new cold war (congrats)

they failed to protect the environment, instead the many environmental crisises seem to worsen

and now they are failing the refugee crisis

So actually I dont feel sympathy for any country since those are the consequences for their failures and of course who must suffer always the people not the individuals who make decisions.

So....because of all of that woe and hardship and misery, Hungary should open it's borders to a a mob and lose it's national identity. And, from your post, I guess everything is always someone else's fault, right?

[Thorvir]

I cannot help but compare the images of the young able-bodied, healthy young men (who could walk hundreds of kilometers to Europe) lobbing stones at the Hungarian police, with those of the young Kurdish teenage girls who stayed in the "pile-of-rubble" Syria to fight ISIS. Some of these girls braved the bullets of the Turkish police to arrive to Syria and join the YPJ. Call me old fashioned, but I believe that the honorable thing to do is to stand one's ground and fight for your country. The numbers of those who fled far exceeds the numbers of ISIS fighters!

"Old-fashioned". No, you're right. In this situation they're just cowards, seeking an easy life.

While it is easier to blame Europe for not taking in enough refugees, no one is as concerned that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait..etc which all funneled funds and arms to create that pile of rubble, did not take in any refugees. They prefer to protect their population and culture! Why is it less reprehensible that China, Japan, South Africa, Korea.....did not take any refugees, if finding a safe haven is the issue?

Because it's the in thing to blame the West for everyone else's problems. But you know that already.

I think these young men should be trained, armed, and sent back to Syria to fight against ISIS and free their country from what is, to a large extent, a foreign invasion of terrorists.

But that'll cost the host county money to train them...on top of sheltering them and feeding them. And these migrants aren't interested in fixing their own problems, they want free hand-outs. And they want it from countries that will bow to their every needs and adjust their way of living to suit these "refugees".

But, again, I suspect that you and other posters here know all that already.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Thorvir Hrothgaard

[meryt-tetisheri]

But that'll cost the host county money to train them...on top of sheltering them and feeding them. And these migrants aren't interested in fixing their own problems, they want free hand-outs. And they want it from countries that will bow to their every needs and adjust their way of living to suit these "refugees".

But, again, I suspect that you and other posters here know all that already.

I suspect that on the long run, training them will be far less costly than paying for free housing, transport, health care & other benefits over decades. Training could also be done in Syria/Iraq? Where do the "moderate" (which they definitely are not) Syrian rebels get their training anyway?

[Thorvir]

I suspect that on the long run, training them will be far less costly than paying for free housing, transport, health care & other benefits over decades. Training could also be done in Syria/Iraq? Where do the "moderate" (which they definitely are not) Syrian rebels get their training anyway?

Well, the usual culprits can be pointed out for training the Syrian rebels...the Saudis, the Iranians, Hezzy....etc. At least they funnel money into the rebels' cause.

Now that I think about it, if training them would actually lead to a resolution in Syria and other places, then it might be worth the money to spend.

But, regardless of training, people from that area (aside from Israel) are the worst soldiers in the world and no amount of training will change that fact. The rebels in Syria, ISIS, Hezbollah, aren't really "trained" by our standards. They're just thugs that wield fear as a powerful blunt force. They will fold like cheap lawn chairs in the face of real soldiers (Israel has shown us that time and again for decades). Just look at the creme of their crop...instead of staying and fighting, their healthy men fled to Europe. It's better to stay and fight to the end for something that important, otherwise, if you run, you'll just die tired.

[meryt-tetisheri]

They don't need to be trained up to the standards of professional elite troops; just adequately enough to fight the ramshackle ISIS fighters. Just an idea!

[Thorvir]

They don't need to be trained up to the standards of professional elite troops; just adequately enough to fight the ramshackle ISIS fighters. Just an idea!

They'll need to be trained and equipped better than ISIS. Who would want an even, fair fight? This isn't a duel of honor. The bad guys are thugs, rapists and murderers. They should be dealt with using overwhelming force and with a complete lack of "giving a ****" about fair play.

[meryt-tetisheri]

You're right

[minera]

they dont want to be in Hungary anyway, they want to get to Germany obviously. And since I dont believe in the construct of nations anyway; your argumant is invalid, a nation isnt a house it is a social construct and land doesnt belong to anyone so they shoud be free to go where they want to.

Even if I believed in nationalism I still would let them in, since most of syrian refugees are highly educated and a good addition to the workforce, since I am not an antisocial *******, also since there are enough private persons who want to help them with their own money, since I prefer them over a lot of citizens whith who I have to deal everyday, since most of the wars were created or at least fueled by western powers...etc

Seems like most of the so called "refugees" are more hoodlums and hooligans who are not asking for aid but demanding it with violence. If that is an example of how most of the educated behave they would not be welcome anywhere. If you are willing to take them go ahead. Every country has a right to make their own laws and those who live there must follow it. And if the population living there does not want the invasion of migrants so be it. If they want to go through legitimate channels to immigrate they might be more welcome. The ones I feel sorry for are the innocent families not the uncivilized rock throwers.

[spud the mackem]

I cannot help but compare the images of the young able-bodied, healthy young men (who could walk hundreds of kilometers to Europe) lobbing stones at the Hungarian police, with those of the young Kurdish teenage girls who stayed in the "pile-of-rubble" Syria to fight ISIS. Some of these girls braved the bullets of the Turkish police to arrive to Syria and join the YPJ. Call me old fashioned, but I believe that the honorable thing to do is to stand one's ground and fight for your country. The numbers of those who fled far exceeds the numbers of ISIS fighters!

While it is easier to blame Europe for not taking in enough refugees, no one is as concerned that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait..etc which all funneled funds and arms to create that pile of rubble, did not take in any refugees. They prefer to protect their population and culture! Why is it less reprehensible that China, Japan, South Africa, Korea.....did not take any refugees, if finding a safe haven is the issue?

I think these young men should be trained, armed, and sent back to Syria to fight against ISIS and free their country from what is, to a large extent, a foreign invasion of terrorists.

You have to be kidding by saying "train and arm them", because whats to then stop them from turning against you.

[spud the mackem]

We are accepting immigrants, we lodge them in hotels, give them money and find them jobs, but once they get here they start making demands and try to change the way we live, there are now 7 British cities which now have more immigrant populations than the original citizens and they turn places into slums, because they are used to living that way. A 3 bedroomed house would house maybe 6 Britsh people but its not built to house 14 plus immigrants.

[Michelle]

We are accepting immigrants, we lodge them in hotels, give them money and find them jobs, but once they get here they start making demands and try to change the way we live, there are now 7 British cities which now have more immigrant populations than the original citizens and they turn places into slums, because they are used to living that way. A 3 bedroomed house would house maybe 6 Britsh people but its not built to house 14 plus immigrants.

The people who have not seen this first hand will condemn you for not being PC.

[Deleted]

hungary wasting millions of EU MONEY on their stupid fence.

@people defending lololololol, i rather have those refugees than hateful fearful people who have an iq of 10 withing my country, but noone defends me against them.

ALso the hysteria and media hypse is ridicolous because of some 1000 refugees lololol, dunno why they do it but the earthquake in chile the wars all around the world doesnt seem so important but 1000 refugees, o no the end of teh world

One thing I learnd from this crisis there are a lot of great people who help refugees in their free time and there are a lot of dumb peopel who dont deserve to be on this earth.

Edited September 18, 2015 by hellwyr

[Mr.United_Nations]

This is why the left should never be in power

[Thorvir]

hungary wasting millions of EU MONEY on their stupid fence.

Your misinformed opinion only. Seems the fence is helping stem the tide a bit. Money well-spent so far.

@people defending lololololol, i rather have those refugees than hateful fearful people who have an iq of 10 withing my country, but noone defends me against them.

Ok then, how many are you housing with you at the moment then? 1? 10? 100? So far, you're all talk and no action.

ALso the hysteria and media hypse is ridicolous because of some 1000 refugees lololol, dunno why they do it but the earthquake in chile the wars all around the world doesnt seem so important but 1000 refugees, o no the end of teh world

Again, your posting only your misinformed opinion. And not doing it very well this time. That was a bit hard to follow.

One thing I learnd from this crisis there are a lot of great people who help refugees in their free time and there are a lot of dumb peopel who dont deserve to be on this earth.

Really? Because we have an opinion that clashes with your own, we should be taken off of the planet? Bigot much? That's some impressive hate-speech you got going on there. Like I said before, you seem to be generous with other people's land and money. How many of these poor, misunderstood, helpless refugees are you housing at this time, at your own expense?

Edited September 18, 2015 by Thorvir Hrothgaard

[Deleted]

Your misinformed opinion only. Seems the fence is helping stem the tide a bit. Money well-spent so far.

Ok then, how many are you housing with you at the moment then? 1? 10? 100? So far, you're all talk and no action.

Again, your posting only your misinformed opinion. And not doing it very well this time. That was a bit hard to follow.

Really? Because we have an opinion that clashes with your own, we should be taken off of the planet? Bigot much? That's some impressive hate-speech you got going on there. Like I said before, you seem to be generous with other people's land and money. How many of these poor, misunderstood, helpless refugees are you housing at this time, at your own expense?

My brother and his girlfirend donated a lot of money and food to the refugees so did other relatives, my best friend teach them the language, I support them, other friends fight for their rights and donate food, I do a lot so do other great people. And I bet you couldnt survive one minute like they do, you would cry that the world is so bad and unfair, you sit on your wealth, which is built on the blood of the earth, on war fought in far away countries and shamlessly wish innocent people to die, because you fear of your home, while you dont even see that you wont get one additional euro wether refugees enter the country or not, you want to believe in stupid crap politicians tell you; they try to agitate the poor against the even more helpless refugee, I only can assume you lack education or common sense.

Anyway there is one thing which never worked in human history; building a fence and isolation.

Edited September 18, 2015 by hellwyr

[141]

My brother and his girlfirend donated a lot of money and food to the refugees so did other relatives, my best friend teach them the language, I support them, other friends fight for their rights and donate food, I do a lot so do other great people. And I bet you couldnt survive one minute like they do, you would cry that the world is so bad and unfair, you sit on your wealth, which is built on the blood of the earth, on war fought in far away countries and shamlessly wish innocent people to die, because you fear of your home, while you dont even see that you wont get one additional euro wether refugees enter the country or not, you want to believe in stupid crap politicians tell you; they try to agitate the poor against the even more helpless refugee, I only can assume you lack education or common sense.

Anyway there is one thing which never worked in human history; building a fence and isolation.

wonderful post

[Thorvir]

My brother and his girlfirend donated a lot of money and food to the refugees so did other relatives, my best friend teach them the language, I support them, other friends fight for their rights and donate food, I do a lot so do other great people.

Hey, those claims are great to read. Again, how many are you housing at the moment?

And I bet you couldnt survive one minute like they do, you would cry that the world is so bad and unfair, you sit on your wealth, which is built on the blood of the earth, on war fought in far away countries and shamlessly wish innocent people to die, because you fear of your home, while you dont even see that you wont get one additional euro wether refugees enter the country or not, you want to believe in stupid crap politicians tell you;

Care to prove that claims about me? Or are you now just making up things as you type? How do you know what I am capable and uncapable of? If you're trying to throw out a veiled insult toward me, you're not very good at it. So, once again, provide your proof to back up your claim.

they try to agitate the poor against the even more helpless refugee, I only can assume you lack education or common sense.

Again, care to prove that about me? Because if you can't or won't, then you're just lying. I should be insulted, but since I occupy the moral high ground in this argument, your attempts are fairly comical.

Common sense is that if someone doesn't want to do something, they shouldn't be forced to. Which is what you're advocating. Who in the hell do you think you are, in your fantasy realm of self-importance, that dictates what a country, or a person, can and cannot do? You've lost all sense of perspective and haven't a lick of common sense about you.

So, should Hungary be forced to accept illegal migrants? Should I? How many should I house, the exact same number you are at this moment?

Anyway there is one thing which never worked in human history; building a fence and isolation.

The fence isn't there to "isolate" Hungary, it's there to stem the tide of illegal migrants forcing their way into their country. There's another word for that, by the way: invasion.

Geez, you really don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?

And, by the way, you still need to address this bit of bigotry:

One thing I learnd from this crisis there are a lot of great people who help refugees in their free time and there are a lot of dumb peopel who dont deserve to be on this earth.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Thorvir Hrothgaard

[Thorvir]

wonderful post

Naw, just an attempt to troll me with inaccuracies, veiled insults, and a complete lack of common sense. You shouldn't support such ignorance.

[Ashotep]

We are accepting immigrants, we lodge them in hotels, give them money and find them jobs, but once they get here they start making demands and try to change the way we live, there are now 7 British cities which now have more immigrant populations than the original citizens and they turn places into slums, because they are used to living that way. A 3 bedroomed house would house maybe 6 Britsh people but its not built to house 14 plus immigrants.

Illegals do that here. Really have to limit the amount of people that can live in a house in the contract. I've heard about cases here where someone thought they were renting to a family of 5 or 6 just to find out later 16 people are living there.