Rlyeh Posted October 4, 2015 #201 Share Posted October 4, 2015 http://www.whyislam....slamic-shariah/ Theocratic garbage has no place in a secular society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted October 4, 2015 #202 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Wickian put it nicely. Same could be said about elections and election campaigns. Does it mean Merkel sits on chancellor chair illegitimately? Or, you are saying that larger support of immigration (majority amongst questioned) month/two ago (from polls) is bs as well? PS I have no doubt that if you'd question drunks, you'd get 80-90% against immigration... You know, in vino veritas... Only cowards need vino or anonymity of Internet for their veritas to come out. In short: But if you’d question people who were refugees (or fighters or simply there) in an actual war, most of them would tell you that politics and projections is one thing and human suffering the other. Not just human suffering, animals suffer in the war too and you can tell which side is yours by their treatment of lost and hurt animals too. The rant: It may seem bizarre to inexperienced bystanders, but you do give first aid to the people you shot. You do shelter the refugees, even if they come from the enemy side. If you’re human being, of course. Bipedal creatures that gloat over grave misfortune of others are not human beings. Every group has them. There’s potential Stalin or Pol Pot riding each bus, looking average, until an opportunity arises and you find out Satan does walk the Earth. If you can coldly refuse to help, even those you’re not at war, then either you don’t know what migrants are going through, either you are, in fact, not mentally healthy. So I’d say you even need an exorcism (if you’re that demonically cruel) or need to stop posting about serious matters (if you’re that incapable of understanding what exactly you’re talking about). That’s generally speaking, now more specifically: Turkey will probably receive help needed to provide more for the refugees, so they don’t have to risk their lives in desperate attempt to reach places where they can be not just away from war, but actually survive. It’s not an end, but it’s a start. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted October 4, 2015 #203 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I kn Of course do I realise that. It was my intention They should fight, alright. How and with what? Equipment is not lying around. We are talking about carpenters here, bank tellers and mechanics and not billeted soldiers. Assad's forces are defeated in many places which are now mandated by various groups, who also often fight each other. You cannot simply say these people to go and fight. They have nothing. Are you a fighter? Do you know how to and would you know where to go if your home is surrounded by numerous groups, your father and brother has been killed and your wife is pregnant? No you don't, because you only sit around and tell other people how to sensibly behave in a state of utmost terror. Sign Up to their National Army, - Russia is providing Assad with the means and equipment to fight. - Its funny in World War Two - millions of carpenters, teachers, bank tellers, butchers bakers and candle stick makers etc.. all signed up to fight and free not only their homeland but foreign lands to rid the world of Evil. - Are you a fighter? you ask - I'll tell you this much if i was Syrian i wouldn't be thousands of miles away in Germany following events on my smart phone. - I'd have signed up to the Syrian Army, moved my family to Damascus, and died trying to rid my country of ISIS and other foreign invaders. Doctors, Engineers, bank tellers, mechanics all have their place in the forces. they should all be standing and fighting in Syria. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted October 4, 2015 #204 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Sign Up to their National Army, - Russia is providing Assad with the means and equipment to fight. - Its funny in World War Two - millions of carpenters, teachers, bank tellers, butchers bakers and candle stick makers etc.. all signed up to fight and free not only their homeland but foreign lands to rid the world of Evil. - Are you a fighter? you ask - I'll tell you this much if i was Syrian i wouldn't be thousands of miles away in Germany following events on my smart phone. - I'd have signed up to the Syrian Army, moved my family to Damascus, and died trying to rid my country of ISIS and other foreign invaders. Doctors, Engineers, bank tellers, mechanics all have their place in the forces. they should all be standing and fighting in Syria. You'd do this and you'd do that in your blissful imagination. You do not know what you're talking about, and may you never find out. But it would be nice if you'd be a little less boisterously ignorant. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 4, 2015 #205 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Sign Up to their National Army, - Russia is providing Assad with the means and equipment to fight. - Its funny in World War Two - millions of carpenters, teachers, bank tellers, butchers bakers and candle stick makers etc.. all signed up to fight and free not only their homeland but foreign lands to rid the world of Evil. - Are you a fighter? you ask - I'll tell you this much if i was Syrian i wouldn't be thousands of miles away in Germany following events on my smart phone. - I'd have signed up to the Syrian Army, moved my family to Damascus, and died trying to rid my country of ISIS and other foreign invaders. Doctors, Engineers, bank tellers, mechanics all have their place in the forces. they should all be standing and fighting in Syria. it is easy to say that while sitting in a wealthy peaceful ave country .... I probably wouldn't have joined Assad since the fact remains that he was a cruel dictator and as such I wouldnt have wanted to join him. I probably would have fled somewhere and if I had the equipment I would have fought against the Islamists in a later stage if I still was in Syria. It would be different if I had a network like the Kurds who were raised to fight (I know some, and they already had the organization network when the war started) I would have fought against the Islamists in that case, but as a "normal" citizen you hardly have the opportunity to do so. On the other side if I lived in Syria I would probably had been part of a resistance, and as such would have fought against Assad at first and if I was still alive at the time ISIS and other Islamist groups gained power I would have tried to find a way to join Assad and tried to make a deal. The problem is that there are so many foreign fighters and foreign influences in that war that it is not just a Syrian war anymore, it has become a proxy war. (or already was one from the start) , as such the wisest option is to flee. edit: anyway since I never experienced a war, maybe I would have died right away. Edited October 4, 2015 by hellwyr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted October 4, 2015 #206 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Theocratic garbage has no place in a secular society. Theocratic garbage , huh ? What you call the vatican ? i just pointed out the facts about shariah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted October 4, 2015 #207 Share Posted October 4, 2015 You'd do this and you'd do that in your blissful imagination. You do not know what you're talking about, and may you never find out. But it would be nice if you'd be a little less boisterously ignorant. It's a valid point, but I think it comes down to how much you love your homeland, if that pride is not there then people won't fight for it. But if these so called refugees are so selfless and heroic for fleeing their country and establishing a safe haven for their families, why the hell are they still on the move? If their families are in such peril surely you would have got them as soon as they reached Turkey. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted October 4, 2015 #208 Share Posted October 4, 2015 You'd do this and you'd do that in your blissful imagination. You do not know what you're talking about, and may you never find out. But it would be nice if you'd be a little less boisterously ignorant. of course i don't know what im talking about. But i bet you do, don't you. Okay c'mon lets hear your chronicles of the "war of independence" once more. *yawn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted October 4, 2015 #209 Share Posted October 4, 2015 of course i don't know what im talking about. But i bet you do, don't you. Okay c'mon lets hear your chronicles of the "war of independence" once more. *yawn* Actually, it's Domovinski rat. Homeland war. In case you want to appear like you do know what you're talking about. Which you don't. Your political autism takes pride in not knowing much about Europe, which is probably why you're so scared with it, which could be why your politic is so chronically destructive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted October 4, 2015 #210 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It's a valid point, but I think it comes down to how much you love your homeland, if that pride is not there then people won't fight for it. But if these so called refugees are so selfless and heroic for fleeing their country and establishing a safe haven for their families, why the hell are they still on the move? If their families are in such peril surely you would have got them as soon as they reached Turkey. Yeah, it’s so very easy while it happens to someone else. You just win that war of yours or simply sit in the closest refugee camp. No need to alarm the English with your presence in the vicinity of that ghastly tunnel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 4, 2015 #211 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I feel local knowledge is a huge advantage, toast, would you say the article in the OP is entirely unfounded? I mean about the lawless state described, they make it sound like things went to hell in a handbasket overnight, is that the case mate, or is this a huge exaggeration? The article describe some single events that are the reality but I have a problem with when international media wants to give a picture of Germany thats comparable with the movie Escape from New York. Of course, there are also criminals immigrants and such who think they can continue and/or install their own culture, in relation to radical Islam, but this group isnt the majority. But on the other hand, we have reached the maximum level of capacity and problems will occur in middle-term and on the long run. The winter is knocking on the door here and many many refugees are still living in tents and many of them are sleeping outside. And we are running out of medicals/vaccines. I have seen migrants arrive here in Australia, and then bleatthat the community living conditions are not acceptable, when they just spent 6 months in a leaky boat!! And burn the accommodation down, vandalise, and make unrealistic demands, so it hits home for some, and reminds us of that which we have heard before. We had a few of such events here as well. But I`m sorry, if these idiots act like this I think that they can get something for free in addition to shelter, food and medial tratment, they can get a kick in the a$$ for free and out of the country. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted October 4, 2015 #212 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Actually, it's Domovinski rat. Homeland war. In case you want to appear like you do know what you're talking about. Which you don't. Your political autism takes pride in not knowing much about Europe, which is probably why you're so scared with it, which could be why your politic is so chronically destructive. That's what you call it, but commonly referred to in the rest of the world as Croatian war of independence. like i said. - Well what's the difference between Domovinski rat and Croatian war of independence? what nothing? because its the same thing. behave yourself, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted October 4, 2015 #213 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Polls aren't the same as elections I have seen polls which turned out to be totally wrong after the election ^^. Also a lot depends on how the questions are posed, how large the questioned group is and how they are put together (age, region...etc). Anyway Merkel has still the majority according to that poll, but the reason why she lost some percent isn't clear from the poll, the article creates a correlation between the immigration issue and the loss in voters, which can be but don't have to be the case. If I was German I wouldn't have voted for her, but still I would be in favor of her immigration policy to some extent. (I would have wished for a pan-European solution...) But... but polls aren't reliable, and may "turn out to be totally wrong"... She may have even less support than poll shows, isn't it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted October 4, 2015 #214 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Well I am not so sure modern forms of democracy are that good either, although no doubt better than hereditary monarchy or selecting officeholders at random. Political parties, incumbency, lawyers, money, organized (selfish) interest groups, gerrymandering, slanted news reporters, and of course suddenly discovered bags of uncounted votes, all play a role. Sooo... Any better suggestions? Autocracy/kleptocracy like in Russia? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted October 4, 2015 #215 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Only cowards need vino or anonymity of Internet for their veritas to come out. [...] ... or the ones who oppose unthoughtful "Willkommen" ("child" of Merkel, who came up with it thinking with her heart, not head) and don't want to be labeled racist/fascist/nazi... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted October 4, 2015 #216 Share Posted October 4, 2015 That's what you call it, but commonly referred to in the rest of the world as Croatian war of independence. like i said. - Well what's the difference between Domovinski rat and Croatian war of independence? what nothing? because its the same thing. behave yourself, Tell your colonies to behave themselves. *slaps forehead* Oh, yes, you can’t do that anymore... sorry about that, the wheel of history turning and such. We fought it, we named it, you learn it – if you want to appear as you know first thing about it, of course. Though I don’t nitpick if War of independence is used instead of Homeland war by decent people, with no ill intention. Now, this amuses me too, but we really should stop offtopicking. Have you noticed the wiser than me are turning to Turkey? Looking for a way to control this mess, instead of use it for their own, petty, isolationist cause? ... or the ones who oppose unthoughtful "Willkommen" ("child" of Merkel, who came up with it thinking with her heart, not head) and don't want to be labeled racist/fascist/nazi... It wasn't unthoughtful, it was the only possible choice. This is 21st, not 12th century, you know. What would you say? Get out the Christian lands, you un-baptized demons? Go be brown someplace else? And why wouldn’t you want to be labelled racist, fascist or nazi? If you are one, be proud of being recognized as that, what you are. Unless you are, but you doubt if it’s maybe wrong. If you are not one, who the **** cares you’ve been labelled wrongly? You know who likes to label people? Thaaaat’s right, Nazis! So call me a nazi, but you are a load of hypocrites. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted October 4, 2015 #217 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Theocratic garbage , huh ? What you call the vatican ? i just pointed out the facts about shariah Theocratic garbage. The assertion that Shariah is divine law is not factual. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted October 4, 2015 #218 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It wasn't unthoughtful, it was the only possible choice. This is 21st, not 12th century, you know. What would you say? Get out the Christian lands, you un-baptized demons? Go be brown someplace else? And why wouldn’t you want to be labelled racist, fascist or nazi? If you are one, be proud of being recognized as that, what you are. Unless you are, but you doubt if it’s maybe wrong. If you are not one, who the **** cares you’ve been labelled wrongly? You know who likes to label people? Thaaaat’s right, Nazis! So call me a nazi, but you are a load of hypocrites. Ummm... Ok... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted October 4, 2015 #219 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Theocratic garbage. The assertion that Shariah is divine law is not factual. if you claim that, then what about it is not factual ? then enlighten me about the actual facts . if it is theocratic garbage well, thats your right of opinion . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 4, 2015 #220 Share Posted October 4, 2015 if you claim that, then what about it is not factual ? then enlighten me about the actual facts . if it is theocratic garbage well, thats your right of opinion . Rlyeh doesn't believe in God as a base condition so he obviously would not accept Sharia - or even the Mosaic laws as authentic or binding. Bottom line is that he represents a majority opinion worldwide and especially in the West. Whatever the pundits and politicos say, the world is in chaos due to a struggle between two philosophies of life. Islam wants dominance and seems to be gaining it in the short term. It may even rule the world through a Caliphate again but it will be a very brief and bloody exercise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted October 4, 2015 #221 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Rlyeh doesn't believe in God as a base condition so he obviously would not accept Sharia - or even the Mosaic laws as authentic or binding. Bottom line is that he represents a majority opinion worldwide and especially in the West. Whatever the pundits and politicos say, the world is in chaos due to a struggle between two philosophies of life. Islam wants dominance and seems to be gaining it in the short term. It may even rule the world through a Caliphate again but it will be a very brief and bloody exercise. i disagree about dominance... islam will fall so will other religions ...is what i believe and so it was written Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 4, 2015 #222 Share Posted October 4, 2015 i disagree about dominance... islam will fall so will other religions ...is what i believe and so it was written There can be no doubt that the prophet exhorted his followers to convert all to the one religion and if need be to do so by the sword. History is an inconvenient thing sometimes. Christians in the crusades were actually disobeying Christ's commandments while modern jihadis can point to specific ayahs to justify their butchery. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 4, 2015 #223 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Lol did you even read the bible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted October 4, 2015 #224 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Lol did you even read the bible. You interpretate the bible as you wish but deny moslems the same right. Also you say it isnt right to call for a crusade as a christian and yamar says it isnt right to call for a jihad as moslem, you both say the books say something else than what those massmurderes do/ have done... so why arent you two getting along.. .. Edited October 4, 2015 by hellwyr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted October 4, 2015 #225 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Lol did you even read the bible. You interpretate the bible as you wish but deny moslems the same right. Also you say it isnt right to call for a crusade as a christian and yamar says it isnt right to call for a jihad as moslem, you both say the books say something else than what those massmurderes do/ have done... so why arent you two getting along.. .. i dont say its wrong to do jihad just not what people claim it to be . Jihad is not going around killing people ( unless in self defense or in war ) . i do encounter this problem very often here . people get to say what they feel and wish ,while i keep my angel tongue i dont have the same rights here but that is my jihad lol ... he has his opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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