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XenoFish

I would have loved it if the rest of the class ganged up on this jerk. I think this is one of the reason I really detest law enforcement. They think that violence is the answer and I'm glad they fired him. If that was my kid. I'd have sued him of assault.

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Rawbone

There was still too much force used. Your opinion will never change that.

I share that opinion, which I clearly stated earlier in the thread.

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Michelle

WOW she has a broken arm and neck and back injuries from that "hardly a slam" how can you justify this?

That is hearsay. We all know how people get rear ended in a car and cry whiplash when they decide to sue.

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Farmer77

That is hearsay. We all know how people get rear ended in a car and cry whiplash when they decide to sue.

I'll give you that it is hearsay. However noone has countered the claim that her arm is in a cast, which seems pretty easily debunked in the middle of a media frenzy like this.

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Michelle

I'll give you that it is hearsay. However noone has countered the claim that her arm is in a cast, which seems pretty easily debunked in the middle of a media frenzy like this.

They haven't revealed her name yet either, as far as I know.

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Rawbone

I am in no way defending her. AT ALL. She should have been removed , not smashed. That officer was plenty strong to pick her up desk and all (i remember seeing this happen when I was a kid in school) and carry her from the room.

How would you have removed her? I'm just curious.

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Farmer77

They haven't revealed her name yet either, as far as I know.

No they haven't but hundreds if not thousands of kids in her town know who she is and social media is instant nowadays. Regardless this is all superfluous to the larger issue of rampant police violence in America. This officer is just a sterling example of what is going wrong in America with regards to that issue.

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mbrn30000

No they haven't but hundreds if not thousands of kids in her town know who she is and social media is instant nowadays. Regardless this is all superfluous to the larger issue of rampant police violence in America. This officer is just a sterling example of what is going wrong in America with regards to that issue.

the only thing that is rampant is news coverage. there is no rampant police violence. 14k murders a year which is down, but out of those more than half are young black men murdering other young black men. I hardly think a few hundred dead thugs killed by police doing their duty is rampant anything. the fact is, when the police back off more black men are murdered. take a look at Baltimore when the police backed off. record murder rates for a city that is already too violent. Be careful what you wish for. I did not create this society. In fact if everyone behaved like me we would never need a policeman except for toy drives and parades. I have little use for thugs of any color. the media scans the news looking for white on black violence and it takes days sometimes months. black on black violence is so common it is no longer news.

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Rawbone

No they haven't but hundreds if not thousands of kids in her town know who she is and social media is instant nowadays. Regardless this is all superfluous to the larger issue of rampant police violence in America. This officer is just a sterling example of what is going wrong in America with regards to that issue.

You seem to be promoting a theme. It's almost as if you have an agenda here.

"Rampant police violence in America"

Do you have some statistical evidence to support your assertion?

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Farmer77

How would you have removed her? I'm just curious.

ive said it a bunch in this thread. The officer can bench 500lbs and squat 600lbs . That kind of strength is unfathomable for the average person. That kind of strength is plenty for him to have been able to lift her desk and all and remove them both from the room. Force not violence.

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White Crane Feather

WOW she has a broken arm and neck and back injuries from that "hardly a slam" how can you justify this?

I don't believe it. Show me the xrays.

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White Crane Feather

I'll give you that it is hearsay. However noone has countered the claim that her arm is in a cast, which seems pretty easily debunked in the middle of a media frenzy like this.

My son was put in cast yesterday for pinching his finger in a door. We took it off to play his soccor game today. It wasn't really broken. Just a bone bruise. He did fine.

Second opinion on medical records please? Oh wait she is a minor and records are protected. We will never see them.

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F3SS

Don't lock this thread. There's nothing out of the ordinary. Dude just doesn't want an opposing opinion... C'mon.

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Farmer77

the only thing that is rampant is news coverage. there is no rampant police violence. 14k murders a year which is down, but out of those more than half are young black men murdering other young black men. I hardly think a few hundred dead thugs killed by police doing their duty is rampant anything. the fact is, when the police back off more black men are murdered. take a look at Baltimore when the police backed off. record murder rates for a city that is already too violent. Be careful what you wish for. I did not create this society. In fact if everyone behaved like me we would never need a policeman except for toy drives and parades. I have little use for thugs of any color. the media scans the news looking for white on black violence and it takes days sometimes months. black on black violence is so common it is no longer news.

You seem to be promoting a theme. It's almost as if you have an agenda here.

"Rampant police violence in America"

Do you have some statistical evidence to support your assertion?

I TOTALLY have an agenda. As a parent my biggest safety concern for my children at this stage in their lives is overzealous policing- THATS INSANE. The right wing (me included) has been looking to the federal government to crack down and bring a police state to us for decades, well its not the feds on the frontline of infringing on our liberties, it is the local law enforcement.

Names and faces of those killed by police this year:

http://www.theguardi...ngs-us-database

Their own words on the issue:

http://graphs.net/po...statistics.html

The blame is largely on the systems in place rather than the individual officers. Hiring practices (Vets with PTSD for example) and the militarization of the police through 9/11 funding , not to mention the practice of intentionally hiring unintelligent people , no im not making that up :

http://abcnews.go.co.../story?id=95836

Incarceration Statistics:

https://en.wikipedia...e_United_States

The prison industrial complex is largely to blame. Prisons in America are a business and businesses don't care HOW they make money, they just need to make sure they do .

http://www.usprisonc...omplex-in-2013/

https://https://www....-talking-about/

I really like freedom and liberty and I think these guys are currently the biggest threat to both. As Ben Franklin said "I would rather suffer the consequences of too many liberties than of too few"

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White Crane Feather

ive said it a bunch in this thread. The officer can bench 500lbs and squat 600lbs . That kind of strength is unfathomable for the average person. That kind of strength is plenty for him to have been able to lift her desk and all and remove them both from the room. Force not violence.

That dosn't mean anything. I call those kinds of muscles bubble muscle. They only work in one directing and the supporting muscles and tendons don't support the strength in any other way than the practiced form. In a lot of ways guys like that are actually weak and immobile. I'm not saying the guy couldn't handle himself. It's just a weak argument. A flailing teenager can hurt herself just as easily as a guy putting her down and restraining her and athletic teens suffer far more than she did at least on that video on a weekly basis. Nor are teenage girls any more delicate than boys. Im not convinced she was hurt.

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Rawbone

ive said it a bunch in this thread. The officer can bench 500lbs and squat 600lbs . That kind of strength is unfathomable for the average person. That kind of strength is plenty for him to have been able to lift her desk and all and remove them both from the room. Force not violence.

The girl took a poke at him already. You are stating he should have then lifted her kicking and fighting up off the floor while still in the desk. That's no small girl there. I don't care how strong you are, if you were a lifter, you should know about leverage. That's very poor leverage and would result in a back injury-IF- he didn't drop her. Say then.... he drops her in that desk and she is hurt badly???

No matter what, as soon as the young lady refused to comply and escalated the scenario with a backward punch---- this LEO was toast. He could do nothing right PHYSICALLY at that point in your eyes, or in they eyes of many here. We can monday- morning -quarterback all we want here....... He was in the situation, it escalated, and using force to subdue her at that point became extremely risky for him. Obviously, as he's now out of a job, despite the protest of almost the entire student body.

It's why many LEO's are just avoiding intervention altogether now. He's called in to do his job, last line of defense, so to speak--- 3 other adults in authority had already attempted reasoning with her to no avail. He overestimated the force necessary to get compliance, but why are both black and white students protesting with a walk out? If this guy had a history I don't think they would be reacting this way. They certainly know more than we know. I think it's a shame that he lost his job. We all make mistakes.

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Farmer77

That dosn't mean anything. I call those kinds of muscles bubble muscle. They only work in one directing and the supporting muscles and tendons don't support the strength in any other way than the practiced form. In a lot of ways guys like that are actually weak and immobile. I'm not saying the guy couldn't handle himself. It's just a weak argument. A flailing teenager can hurt herself just as easily as a guy putting her down and restraining her and athletic teens suffer far more than she did at least on that video on a weekly basis. Nor are teenage girls any more delicate than boys. Im not convinced she was hurt.

That is an argument only uneducated people make. Especially in the era of strongman , odd object lifting.

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Michelle

That is an argument only uneducated people make. Especially in the era of strongman , odd object lifting.

Talk to any one of them over forty years old. They weren't stupid about it either.

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Rawbone

That is an argument only uneducated people make. Especially in the era of strongman , odd object lifting.

So presumptuous and insulting...hoping for a lockout soon maybe?

Strongmen don't lift kicking, clawing, screaming, kettle bells and stones.

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F3SS

I'm going to have to say, and I can't believe this, but mrb3000 is right on with his assessments. Crass is his way though but at least the crass is dealt equally.

Now I'm seeing some exaggerations in the description of the confrontation.

SLAM!

BEAT THE HELL OUT OF!

THROWN ACROSS THE ROOM!

Not only did the girl insist on going down with the desk, the cop seemed to and likely did control the entire fall.

There was no beating, please see the definition of the word.

I seen him yank her right from the desk and quickly drag her several feet then presumably cuff her.

All these things were done fast and forcefully but that doesn't mean there was careless disregard for her physical well being.

The injuries are not based on fact, yet. Maybe the cop could have dead pressed her out of the room, desk and all. Maybe he couldn't. Too narrow an isle, concern she wail about and fall or hurt someone else or who knows? That's not a good enough solution to be so definite about. What if it were a smaller officer who couldn't? At some point action had to be taken.

Hellwyr, there are not cops in every school. Not even close so no need to associate that with school shootings.

Also, someone said she's a schizo/depressed early on. Is that's a true and known diagnosis? Certifiable schizophrenia sits in regular class and not some special ed with teachers trained to deal with such needs?

Broken neck, broken arm, schizophrenia, depression, recently orphaned, could've been bench pressed from the area, slammed, beaten, thrown, what else? All need fact checked.

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White Crane Feather

That is an argument only uneducated people make. Especially in the era of strongman , odd object lifting.

I own a martial arts school and have been training people for over twenty years. Including strong men and teens. You should look up the Dunn-krugar effect. ;)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

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Paranormal Panther

It's true that the student should have behaved and obeyed, but the cop should have acted in an appropriate and responsible manner. He was extremely abusive to a much smaller, much weaker girl. He could have gently handled someone who was like a baby compared to him. It looked like a case of 'roid rage to me.

He should be fined and fired. I know that his department, as well as the school, let him go. I'm referring to all employers where he may endanger citizens with abusive, threatening behavior. IOW, a store should hire him as a stocker instead of a security guard.

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Michelle

I get the feeling even if the cop and only grasped her arm and tried to escort her out she would have been writhing in pain. She would probably still be wearing a cast. Sixteen year old girls can be very dramatic.

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LV-426

Don't lock this thread. There's nothing out of the ordinary. Dude just doesn't want an opposing opinion... C'mon.

Okay then F3SS.

Maybe your reading is a little selective. If not, maybe you'd have noticed that both sides of this supposed argument are presented here. Hard for that not to be the case with yourself, White Crane Feather, aztek, et al. on the case. I wanted it locked, as it's already out of hand, and it's just going to get worse. It hasn't happened yet, so I guess we'll just see where it goes with the gloves off.

Let's just get right down to it then shall we?

Why is it that the same posters that post time after time in the same threads that advocate the divide between the rich and the poor, are totally pro-gun, and often very religious, are the same ones posting this 'they deserved it' bulls**t when a black kid gets assaulted by those who are supposed to 'protect and serve'? It was same in the last thread, with the girl at the pool party.

I say this only sightly tongue in cheek, but I can almost picture the pointy hats and burning crosses.

I like America. I absorb a lot of your culture, and appreciate the ideals of democracy, liberty and freedom which is put forward as 'The American Way.'

If I get angry when I read half the s**t I read in these threads, it's as I see intelligent people, from a nation holding itself up as a beacon of liberty and justice for all, showing no comprehension of those values whatsoever, let alone the slightest hint of compassion for those less fortunate than themselves.

Go ahead, give it to me both barrels. It really doesn't matter who says what. I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong, but in this case I know I'm absolutely in the right when I say no child should be treated in this way, unless it's a life or death situation.

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LV-426

I own a martial arts school and have been training people for over twenty years. Including strong men and teens. You should look up the Dunn-krugar effect. ;)

https://en.m.wikiped...g–Kruger_effect

Maybe you should stop cherry-picking your replies, and answer the last question I put to you?

I'll repeat it in case you missed it:

She didn't look like a "flailing teen in a tantrum" in the video. The only time she looked like she was flailing was as she was being pulled backwards with the desk. Pretty sure I'd be flailing too as I was tipped upside down...

You're a martial arts instructor right? Don't you perhaps think there were many ways she could have been removed without the aggression?

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