EU Migrant Crisis Updates

[bmk1245]

[...] Also, as Muslims are a small percentage of the European population there is no real threat, [...]

Yeah... ISIS fighters are a small percentage of the Syrian and Iraq population... Yet...

[Deleted]

Yeah... ISIS fighters are a small percentage of the Syrian and Iraq population... Yet...

I didn't know North Africa/Asia was part of Europe, I am learning something new everyday

Edited November 4, 2015 by hellwyr

[Dark_Grey]

Muhammad wanted to be accepted by Jews and Christianity after he was rejected he took the bible and added himself. Jesus is also in the Koran and the messiah there btw. Anyway Jesus is a psychopath who was ready to die for his "revolution" (in fact for his religion same mindset as suicide bombers) and was a religious fanatic who wanted that his religions stands above all others. He gladly got himself killed to make a point; to underline the importance of submission and powerlessness, there is nothing admirable about that person and the deeper meaning behind it. In the bible there are countless genocides, the new testament is also full of crap about women who need to dress up rants about heathens and other crappy borderline stories.. I don't see in which way Christianity is supposed to be better. Mohammad fits in perfectly there, at his time he learned from the best (Christians) how it is done.

There are quite a few Christians, Hindus, Buddhists..etc who would feel offended if you made jokes about their deities.

I think we're done here. You completely missed the point of comparing the two, and the point about criticizing Islam.

Edit to add--

I had to add to this post after reading yours again. You seem to be off on almost every point you tried to make, probably because you don't know enough about these two religions. Not your fault, so let's review:

Muhammad wanted to be accepted by Jews and Christianity after he was rejected he took the bible and added himself

Why would Christians and Jews reject him? Don't they accept pretty much all new comers? (Less so for Jews, obviously). So the Koran is the Bible plus Muhammad? I'm almost OK with that explanation..

Jesus is a psychopath who was ready to die for his "revolution" (in fact for his religion same mindset as suicide bombers) and was a religious fanatic who wanted that his religions stands above all others

Jesus was not a psychopath - he did not exhibit any of the traits. His religion is not the same as suicide bombers, that is just nonesense. Suicide bombers kill themselves because they believe it is the ultimate act of sacrifice and they will be rewarded in heaven for killing others (infidels). Jesus died to absolve the world of sin, killing no one. Completely different reasons.

He gladly got himself killed to make a point; to underline the importance of submission and powerlessness

Have you ever heard the message of Christianity? Ever?

there is nothing admirable about that person and the deeper meaning behind it.

If everyone was like Jesus, the world would be a paradise. He preached selflessness, helping the poor, forgiving enemies, etc. "There is nothing admirable about that person" - are we talking about the same Jesus? Even hardcore atheists will admit Jesus was a pacifist and a man of peace. It's all there in his own words.

In the bible there are countless genocides, the new testament is also full of crap about women who need to dress up rants about heathens and other crappy borderline stories

This is almost word-for-word what YouTubers will use to bash Christianity. Yes, there are lots of stories of war. War was a part of life 2000 years ago, if you can believe it. As for the rules, those would be in the old testament and Christianity seems to have largely moved beyond old Jewish laws. That circles back to my point about external pressure forcing change in the religion.

I don't see in which way Christianity is supposed to be better. Mohammad fits in perfectly there, at his time he learned from the best (Christians) how it is done.

Early Christians taught Muhammad to be a warlord? Something doesn't seem right about that.

There are quite a few Christians, Hindus, Buddhists..etc who would feel offended if you made jokes about their deities.

I never said that people aren't offended by those jokes, I said that there should be no problem with making jokes at any religions expense. Because they're jokes. Islam takes exception to this rule and they are being treated exceptionally for it. If you can't see why that is dangerous, I have nothing else to discuss with you.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Dark_Grey

[Deleted]

I think we're done here. You completely missed the point of comparing the two, and the point about criticizing Islam.

good, I know what you are trying to say you are trying to make Islam worse than all other religions,bat that won`t happen, because it is not true .. it is as bad as most..... Also, after Charlie Hebdo all European public figures defended Charlie Hebdo and made clear that free speech and the right to criticize Islam must be protected and they supported Charlie Hebdo, thus I don't see where your paranoia comes from.

And nope I don`t agree on Sam Harris fantasy interpretation.

[bmk1245]

I didn't know North Africa/Asia was part of Europe, I am learning something new everyday

What a cop out. You understood perfectly what I was saying: "small percentage" argument is bs, and events in ME clearly show that.

[Socio]

Yeah... ISIS fighters are a small percentage of the Syrian and Iraq population... Yet...

For that matter the National Socialist Party members only made up a small percentage of the population and look how that turned out.

[Socio]

Here is another one to check out:

http://www.blazingca...e-to-the-world/

A Female Physician In Munich, Germany Sends A Warning Message To The World . . .

Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!”....

Edited November 4, 2015 by Socio

[Wickian]

Here is another one to check out:

http://www.blazingca...e-to-the-world/

If that article is accurate then that sounds downright scary to be a doctor or nurse in one of those cities right now.

[Socio]

More:

Leaked document says total number of refugees in Germany this year could top seven million:

http://www.telegraph...ts-in-2015.html

Germany is facing an influx of 1.5 million refugees this year, almost twice the official estimate, leaked government figures say as the EU struggles to find a solution to the migrant crisis.

The German authorities expect 920,000 new asylum-seekers to arrive in the country between October and December alone, according to the previously classified figures.

With each migrant having an estimated four to eight family members that could be permitted to enter, the total number resettled could ultimately top seven million.

I expect that seven million number will be an underestimation.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Socio

[bmk1245]

Just heard, Germany brings back Dublin treaty...

[stevewinn]

Just heard, Germany brings back Dublin treaty...

Yes reinstated it, They'll send the migrants back to the first safe European Country, but they are excluding Greece, So those countries back down the chain will be getting migrants with little notes on them saying return to sender. - those countries back down the line, Austria - Slovenia - Croatia - Hungary - just to name four. going to be very interesting especially as the number of migrants is not decreasing in fact numbers arriving in Greece is increasing. Sweden also putting border checks in place as well, thats the two countries who are taking the most migrants. the doors are slowly shutting and hundreds of thousands of migrants are going to be stranded in countries, Safe countries, but countries they dont want to be in. interesting times ahead. full steam ahead boatswain.

Look forward to more of this. stick with it.

Edited November 12, 2015 by stevewinn

[bmk1245]

Yes reinstated it, They'll send the migrants back to the first safe European Country, but they are excluding Greece, So those countries back down the chain will be getting migrants with little notes on them saying return to sender. - those countries back down the line, Austria - Slovenia - Croatia - Hungary - just to name four. going to be very interesting especially as the number of migrants is not decreasing in fact numbers arriving in Greece is increasing. Sweden also putting border checks in place as well, thats the two countries who are taking the most migrants. the doors are slowly shutting and hundreds of thousands of migrants are going to be stranded in countries, Safe countries, but countries they dont want to be in. interesting times ahead. full steam ahead boatswain.

Look forward to more of this. stick with it.

[...]

With migrants being tossed between countries... Some kerfuffle will be there. Hope, it will not turn into border conflicts, with damn real fire exchange...

[Dark_Grey]

...what happened to all the migrant apologists? Haven't seen any around here since the EU started coming to it's senses. Is the narrative too hard to support now?

[FLOMBIE]

...what happened to all the migrant apologists? Haven't seen any around here since the EU started coming to it's senses. Is the narrative too hard to support now?

I guess you are referring to me and others. My stance hasn't changed. I have stated my point here, which hasn't changed at all. Situation is all clear in Germany. And society is working well together to help the asylum seekers. The only big problem is that the right-wingers start attacking them.

I also do not post here every day, because I do not need to paint a picture that doesn't exist, like the whole "Europe-is going-down" crowd.

[Helen of Annoy]

...what happened to all the migrant apologists? Haven't seen any around here since the EU started coming to it's senses. Is the narrative too hard to support now?

I don't see myself as migrant apologist, because migrants need no one to make any apologies for them. Apologies to them would be in order, but who am I to teach grown ups basic decency.

The reason why I personally don't post here is that steve is way too boring and circular already. I do and will continue to react only when my country is directly verbally attacked.

Or when sane, decent people ask sane questions in decent manner.

[Helen of Annoy]

With migrants being tossed between countries... Some kerfuffle will be there. Hope, it will not turn into border conflicts, with damn real fire exchange...

It probably will, but it won't be the fault of migrants. It will be the fault of domestic idiots who think destroying is a sign of power. It's not. Any moron can destroy. Show true power by fixing something.

[bmk1245]

It probably will, but it won't be the fault of migrants. It will be the fault of domestic idiots who think destroying is a sign of power. It's not. Any moron can destroy. Show true power by fixing something.

So... What will happen when Germany->Austria->Slovenia will dump masses of migrants into Croatia while masses still coming from south?

[Dark_Grey]

I guess you are referring to me and others. My stance hasn't changed. I have stated my point here, which hasn't changed at all. Situation is all clear in Germany. And society is working well together to help the asylum seekers. The only big problem is that the right-wingers start attacking them.

I also do not post here every day, because I do not need to paint a picture that doesn't exist, like the whole "Europe-is going-down" crowd.

Do you ever read alternative sites? Do you ever consider the opinion of sources other than the talking heads on TV? The truth is always somewhere in the middle and you aren't going to find it by listening to only side. The truth is, Germany is not clear and "society" is not working well together. If it was, I wouldn't be able to find these stories so easily.

Edit to add--

Why am I trying to convince you? The EU is speaking for itself. Do the actions of (several) EU countries suggest that the migrants are integrating well? Read between the lines man. It's not difficult. First they were welcomed with open arms and now razor wire and checkpoints are popping up all over - what does that tell you?

Edited November 12, 2015 by Dark_Grey

[Helen of Annoy]

So... What will happen when Germany->Austria->Slovenia will dump masses of migrants into Croatia while masses still coming from south?

You shouldn't believe hysteric propaganda. It won't be mass dumping - though there are ways to react properly to that too, god forbid.

Realistic return of groups of migrants won't be any bigger problem than their entrance - it was proven to be organizable if that's what you want. If you want isolationist circus, then you have that. To each their own.

[Helen of Annoy]

Jesus Christ, Dark Grey, you just started to explain to a German what is going on in Germany, because your (!) alternative (!!) sources know better than he himself can see... are you freaking nuts or just that much smarter?

[bmk1245]

You shouldn't believe hysteric propaganda. It won't be mass dumping - though there are ways to react properly to that too, god forbid.

Realistic return of groups of migrants won't be any bigger problem than their entrance - it was proven to be organizable if that's what you want. If you want isolationist circus, then you have that. To each their own.

Ok, if you say so... Will see how all that mess will end.

[Helen of Annoy]

Ok, if you say so... Will see how all that mess will end.

I'll tell you right now how it ends: a lot of people find new home, a lot of people return to the ruins of their homes, a brawl breaks out - out of inner (!) political motives of certain politicians, vultures celebrate, things go back to normal, far right loses their finances from certain eastern power because they proved themselves useless, things go really back to boring normal.

And you personally don't even get to see a live Syrian or Afghan.

The end.

[bmk1245]

I'll tell you right now how it ends: a lot of people find new home, a lot of people return to the ruins of their homes, a brawl breaks out - out of inner (!) political motives of certain politicians, vultures celebrate, things go back to normal, far right loses their finances from certain eastern power because they proved themselves useless, things go really back to boring normal.

And you personally don't even get to see a live Syrian or Afghan.

The end.

Well... You see half-filled glass as half-full, me - as half-empty... I'm not that optimistic as you.

[Helen of Annoy]

Well... You see half-filled glass as half-full, me - as half-empty... I'm not that optimistic as you.

I'm not optimistic at all. There's so much pain and suffering in our boring normal life, not to mention in lives of the refugees.

An optimist would tell you it can ever change.

I just said the world is not going to end, migrants won't start any doomsday, it will keep dragging on, disgusting and hurtful as it is.

[Dark_Grey]

Jesus Christ, Dark Grey, you just started to explain to a German what is going on in Germany, because your (!) alternative (!!) sources know better than he himself can see... are you freaking nuts or just that much smarter?

Neither - just being observant from halfway across the world.

The sources I find are *gasp!* German!

But I digress - you must right about all this since Merkel's popularity has simply skyrocketed. Guess I was wrong all along!