100,000 Sign 'Ban Trump From UK' Petition

[Still Waters]

A petition calling for presidential hopeful Donald Trump to be banned from entering the UK has gathered more than 100,000 signatures and could be debated in the Commons.

http://news.sky.com/...rom-uk-petition

[Black Monk]

Nothing wrong with Donald Trump or his views. What he's calling for is no different to when the British Government restricted travel to this country to Irish citizens when it was they who were prone to blowing people up (and those Irish who did enter Britain had to register at the nearest police station). As far as I know, there weren't masses of people then calling the government "racist!" and "bigoted!". In those far more sensible, less PC and more grown-up times we just allowed the government to do what is necessary to keep us safe.

Also, how on Earth did we get by in the days before online petitions were invented? Times must have been tough! There's even one now calling for "sexist" Tyson Fury (a Christian, by the way, and therefore not looked highly upon by the Liberal Establishment and the Twitterati) to be taken out of contention for BBC Sports Personality of the year just because he said on Twitter how pretty Jessica Ennis-Hill looks with a dress on, and thus doing exactly what thousands upon thousands of women do on Twitter and Facebook nearly every week (with hardly anyone complaining) with the likes of David Beckham and Aidan Turner when they are topless.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Black Monk

[Ashotep]

What are they going to do if he becomes president?

People have become so PC the truth can't be told. The PC police are as bad as the fashion police in Saudi Arabia.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

If been PC means not acquiescing to the latest military adventurism and johny come lately tyrant in the making then I am all for people expressing disgust at those in power.

For far to long politicians have ignored the outspoken wishes of the people to do exactly what people in authority always do. There were 1 million Britain’s who protested the first war in Iraq and yet Tony Blair still took us into that illegal conflict - but Tony was booted out of power because ignoring the people is a fools errand in the end.

Br Cornelius

[LV-426]

There's even one now calling for "sexist" Tyson Fury (a Christian, by the way, and therefore not looked highly upon by the Liberal Establishment and the Twitterati) to be taken out of contention for BBC Sports Personality of the year just because he said on Twitter how pretty Jessica Ennis-Hill looks with a dress on, and thus doing exactly what thousands upon thousands of women do on Twitter and Facebook nearly every week (with hardly anyone complaining) with the likes of David Beckham and Aidan Turner when they are topless.

Ohh, come on... Fury said a little more than that.

He's quoted as saying "a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back." Given all his antics before the Klitschko fight, including dressing up as Batman, along with all the crap he's talked since, he's the last person I'd vote for in any kind of 'personality of the year' award. The guy's an idiot that should keep his mouth shut and let his boxing do the talking.

It's nothing to do with being PC either, just accepting the responsibility of being a global ambassador for a sport, and how the way you present yourself comes across to kids that take in what you say.

[Black Monk]

He's quoted as saying "a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back."

So? Is he not entitled to his opinion? Oh, no. Sorry, I forgot. Nobody in the Western world today is entitled to express any opinion whatsosver which goes against the ruling, left-wing, liberal, metropolitan elite narrative. We all have to be like programmed robots, all spouting the same, identikit views. It's like North Korea, almost.

I remember the time Andy Murray made anti-English comments, and yet when some English people complained about it we were told to "lighten up" and that it was all just a bit of "light-hearted banter" and "a joke." Why is it one rule for a Scottish sportsman making certain comments about the English and another rule for an English, Christian sportsman making certain comments about women?

Given all his antics before the Klitschko fight, including dressing up as Batman, along with all the crap he's talked since, he's the last person I'd vote for in any kind of 'personality of the year' award.

So you wouldn't vote for him for BBC Sports Personality of the Year because he once dressed up as Batman?

The guy's an idiot

No, he isn't.

It's nothing to do with being PC either, just accepting the responsibility of being a global ambassador for a sport, and how the way you present yourself comes across to kids that take in what you say.

So why does Fury have to be a "global ambassador for a sport" by not making "sexist" comments, yet Andy Murray gets away with making remarks about the English?

Edited December 9, 2015 by Black Monk

[Leonardo]

So? Is he not entitled to his opinion?

He is very much entitled to his opinion, but having entitlement to an opinion does not make him any less sexist.

So you wouldn't vote for him for BBC Sports Personality of the Year because he once dressed up as Batman?

I wouldn't vote for him as I do not consider him fit to be held up as a role model, and I believe anyone who is voted "Sports Personality of the Year" should be able to be held up so.

As for the issue of Trump, as long as he is not making threats against the UK I do not see why he should be denied entry into the country.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Leonardo

[Mr.United_Nations]

Nothing wrong with Donald Trump or his views. What he's calling for is no different to when the British Government restricted travel to this country to Irish citizens when it was they who were prone to blowing people up (and those Irish who did enter Britain had to register at the nearest police station). As far as I know, there weren't masses of people then calling the government "racist!" and "bigoted!". In those far more sensible, less PC and more grown-up times we just allowed the government to do what is necessary to keep us safe.

Also, how on Earth did we get by in the days before online petitions were invented? Times must have been tough! There's even one now calling for "sexist" Tyson Fury (a Christian, by the way, and therefore not looked highly upon by the Liberal Establishment and the Twitterati) to be taken out of contention for BBC Sports Personality of the year just because he said on Twitter how pretty Jessica Ennis-Hill looks with a dress on, and thus doing exactly what thousands upon thousands of women do on Twitter and Facebook nearly every week (with hardly anyone complaining) with the likes of David Beckham and Aidan Turner when they are topless.

Fury is calling women to be sex slaves ie on the back and anti gay which is tthe same idiolgy has islamic state

[Iron_Lotus]

Ohh, come on... Fury said a little more than that.

He's quoted as saying "a woman's best place is in the kitchen and on her back." Given all his antics before the Klitschko fight, including dressing up as Batman, along with all the crap he's talked since, he's the last person I'd vote for in any kind of 'personality of the year' award. The guy's an idiot that should keep his mouth shut and let his boxing do the talking.

It's nothing to do with being PC either, just accepting the responsibility of being a global ambassador for a sport, and how the way you present yourself comes across to kids that take in what you say.

he also said gays are pedophiles among a host of other things. he's a scumbag and he is a moron.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Iron_Lotus

[Black Monk]

He is very much entitled to his opinion, but having entitlement to an opinion does not make him any less sexist.

Whether he's "sexist" or not is just a matter of opinion.

However, I bet the percentage of the British population who are bothered in any shape of form by Mr Fury's comments is around 7%, and that 7% is made up of the Metropolitan Elite Establishment, most of the media and the Guardianistas. But these people rarely represent the views of the ordinary man in the street. The other 93% of the British population have more important things to worry about.

I wouldn't vote for him as I do not consider him fit to be held up as a role model, and I believe anyone who is voted "Sports Personality of the Year" should be able to be held up so.

Well, I hate to break this to you, but Mr Tyson isn't a "role model." He's boxer. In the same way, footballers aren't "role models", either. They're footballers. I wish people would stop referring to sports men and women as "role models."

As for BBC Sports Personality of the year, Andy Murray won it in 2013, this despite the fact he once made well-known anti-English comments (and yet we were told by the very people who are now complaining about the Fury comments that Murray's comments were mere "light-hearted banter" and "a joke").

One rule for a Scottish tennis player making anti-English comments and another for an English Christian boxer.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Black Monk

[Black Monk]

Fury is calling women to be sex slaves

No, he isn't.

ie on the back and anti gay which is tthe same idiolgy has islamic state

I'm sorry, but it's perfectly acceptable to hold anti-gay views. Many, many people in Britain today do not agree with homosexuality. Whether you agree with such a thing or not is a mere matter of opinion and someone should not be punished for having an opinion not shared by the liberal establishment and the Guardianistas.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Black Monk

[Guest Br Cornelius]

I'm sorry, but it's perfectly acceptable to hold anti-gay views.

Just as its perfectly acceptable to call people out on it when they do.

Been chosen as the sports personality of the year is about much more than been good at your sport - it is about been a roll model to upcoming young sports people.

You may not have caught up yet but telling women to get back into the kitchen is no longer acceptable to the majority of people - especially women.

Br Cornelius

[Iron_Lotus]

Just as its perfectly acceptable to call people out on it when they do.

Been chosen as the sports personality of the year is about much more than been good at your sport - it is about been a roll model to upcoming young sports people.

You may not have caught up yet but telling women to get back into the kitchen is no longer acceptable to the majority of people - especially women.

Br Cornelius

any self respecting woman would slap the taste out of your mouth for telling them to get in the kitchen from what I gather it's nearly 2016 I didn't wake up in the 50s did I?

[Black Monk]

Just as its perfectly acceptable to call people out on it when they do.

Nope. Have to disagree with you there. The media attacking a man merely for expressing opinions which are different from those of the trendy metropolitan elite which now runs this country has been nothing short of disgraceful. A person in Britain should be able to express his views without being attacked by the media. This is GREAT BRITAIN, not North Korea, and a person should be able to express his views without being attacked by the media and politicians and the Guardianistas.

Been chosen as the sports personality of the year is about much more than been good at your sport - it is about been a roll model to upcoming young sports people.

Andy Murray won BBC Sports Personality of the Year - after he made anti-English comments. And we were told that his comments were merely "a joke" and nothing more than "light-hearted banter."

Why's it one rule for a Scottish tennis player and another for an English, Christian boxer? Why is Fury a "sexist" but Murray is merely "indulging in banter"?

You may not have caught up yet but telling women to get back into the kitchen is no longer acceptable to the majority of people - especially women.

Yeah? And how can you possibly know that?

My reckoning is that the number of people in the UK who are bothered at all by Mr Fury's comments are about the same as the population of Birmingham.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Black Monk

[Jack Skellington]

There are 3 million muslims in the UK.... and they got 100,000 signatures? yawn.

[stevewinn]

Lets ban Trump but continue to allow hate preachers from such places as Saudi Arabia to continue to come over here and spew their hatred of the west in the local mosque, - Where's that petition.

[Black Monk]

any self respecting woman would slap the taste out of your mouth for telling them to get in the kitchen from what I gather it's nearly 2016 I didn't wake up in the 50s did I?

As long as she makes my dinner first, I'd be perfectly happy.

[Iron_Lotus]

As long as she makes my dinner first, I'd be perfectly happy.

I'm sorry I don't speak caveman when you want to join the rest of us in a more enlightened time feel free to do just that.

[LV-426]

As long as she makes my dinner first, I'd be perfectly happy.

I'd imagine there are many women out there that'll be more than happy to make your dinner for you. I wouldn't look too closely at the 'special' ingredients though...

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Nope. Have to disagree with you there. The media attacking a man merely for expressing opinions which are different from those of the trendy metropolitan elite which now runs this country has been nothing short of disgraceful. A person in Britain should be able to express his views without being attacked by the media. This is GREAT BRITAIN, not North Korea, and a person should be able to express his views without being attacked by the media and politicians and the Guardianistas.

Andy Murray won BBC Sports Personality of the Year - after he made anti-English comments. And we were told that his comments were merely "a joke" and nothing more than "light-hearted banter."

Why's it one rule for a Scottish tennis player and another for an English, Christian boxer? Why is Fury a "sexist" but Murray is merely "indulging in banter"?

Yeah? And how can you possibly know that?

My reckoning is that the number of people in the UK who are bothered at all by Mr Fury's comments are about the same as the population of Birmingham.

I think you are badly out of touch and just a little deluded.

Say something which a substantial proportion of the popuation finds offensive and expect to get blowback. its really that simple, freedom of speech blows both ways, but if you are percieved badly then your career will undoubtedly suffer. Tough.

Br Cornelius

[Guest Br Cornelius]

There are 3 million muslims in the UK.... and they got 100,000 signatures? yawn.

Hate to burst your bubble - but thats after one day.

It can get a hell of a lot bigger and I anticipate it will.

Br Cornelius

[Black Monk]

I'm sorry I don't speak caveman when you want to join the rest of us in a more enlightened time feel free to do just that.

Well what's "enlightened", mate? There's nothing "enlightened" about forcing everybody to hold the same opinions. If I want to live in some Left-wing hellhole where nobody is allowed to have their own views and make up their own minds and where everybody must hold the same "acceptable" views (those views held by the ruling elite) I'll move to North Korea. Until then, I'll say and think what I like.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Black Monk

[Black Monk]

I think you are badly out of touch and just a little deluded.

Say something which a substantial proportion of the popuation finds offensive and expect to get blowback. its really that simple, freedom of speech blows both ways, but if you are percieved badly then your career will undoubtedly suffer. Tough.

Br Cornelius

To be honest, I don't care how many people find my views or those of Tyson Fury to be "offensive" (I'm of the opinion that very few people in Britain care about Fury's comments. They couldn't care less). Just because some people find them "offensive" doesn't mean they're right.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Well what's "enlightened", mate? There's nothing "enlightened" about forcing everybody to hold the same opinions. If I want to live in some Left-wing hellhole where nobody is allowed to have their own views and make up their own minds and where everybody must hold the same "acceptable" views (those views held by the ruling elite) I'll move to North Korea. Until then, I'll say and think what I like.

You are allowed to have whatever opinions you like, you can thank the liberals for ensuring that - but if you want to be liked by those who you speak to (us) then wise up about what you say or find somewhere else more comfortable to say it.

Br Cornelius

[Iron_Lotus]

Well what's "enlightened", mate? There's nothing "enlightened" about forcing everybody to hold the same opinions. If I want to live in some Left-wing hellhole where nobody is allowed to have their own views and make up their own minds and where everybody must hold the same "acceptable" views (those views held by the ruling elite) I'll move to North Korea. Until then, I'll say and think what I like.

please, first off im not your "mate" i never said everyone has to hold the same opinion either. as will I say what I like and you'll just have to suck it up and deal with It freedom of speech and blah blah right and if that happens to be calling your views and opinions backwards and caveman like than oh well.