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The God Debate - Is it really about evidence?


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You changed your own 'story shape' :tu:

I shall be mindful to preserve the wu of your new story shape .

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I haven't put him on ignore .... but her has been strangely silent .... since that influx of troops a page or so back . Prob laying low till this blows over and then .... back on the horse ( with a demonstration of his superb riding skills ;) )

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Funny thing assumptions. They are usually as wrong as one would expect anything constructed without any factual basis to be.

I took a trip to Adelaide to take a family member to see a specialist there.

First trip to the capital in 10 years

3 days away from the internet.

Kinda peaceful. Read lots of books. . Tried lots of food we can't get in the country. In one day I had 4 different types of chicken, cooked in various ways, from 3 ethnic groups.

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That's why we all make the effort to put him on block.

Hope it makes your life happier and healthier.

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You changed your own 'story shape' :tu:

I shall be mindful to preserve the wu of your new story shape .

Our live are stories. One's we write ourselves.

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Occultist, we might be a little crazy but at least we're interesting.

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Our live are stories. One's we write ourselves.

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Occultist, we might be a little crazy but at least we're interesting.

Ohhh, how can a crazy bookseller ignore this! :w00t:

This song might a bit of how I like to see it. ;):D

Your own book is your own evidence. No one else can write it, but they don't have to believe what they read. ;)

If they want to, that is. If they don't, they can write their own book. :D;)

Hope we all put footnotes for those to prove our points. ;):devil:

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Walker .... they cant hear you any more .

You are talking to the wall ...................

and me .

:st

p.s. eating chicken 3 times will give you bigger man-boobs !

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Walker .... they cant hear you any more .

You are talking to the wall ...................

and me .

:st

p.s. eating chicken 3 times will give you bigger man-boobs !

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I know but they might not be able to resist me, especially with bigger boobs :devil: But still, I fear you are wrong as these chickens are organically grown without exposure to chemicals/hormones.

My posts are not directed at any particular poster, and thus will continue to be read by those who chose to, including my responses to those who ignore me. Cutting off any source of information is a foolish thing to do. Arguably it is even more foolish to cut of sources who present ideas or information you disagree with. This just increases one's self confirmation bias and single minded point of view. Doing this in real life limits your circle of friends to those who have similar attitudes and values to yourself. That is ok, as long as you remain aware that most others might have totally different opinions, attitudes and values, from you and your friends.

I am not the loser here. In fact i gain by not having people make unnecessary and pointless personal comments in rely to my posts.

In turn i don't have to reply, allowing me more time to concentrate on the CONTENT of posts.

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they cant hear you any more .

I gotta admit that it's nice. I can concentrate on a thread without the needless derailment. Often brought about by someone's desire to go off on a tangent because of some minute detail.

As for God. I don't think I care all that much about debating it's existence. If it does then it needs to make itself know to us in a big way.

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I gotta admit that it's nice. I can concentrate on a thread without the needless derailment. Often brought about by someone's desire to go off on a tangent because of some minute detail.

As for God. I don't think I care all that much about debating it's existence. If it does then it needs to make itself know to us in a big way.

A tangent is a learning curve. Without them, one goes round and round in a circle. And yes, you might not read this, but others will. :)

Ps even today only about 10% of humans deny the existence of god. How much bigger a demonstration of gods existence in the world could you get than 90% of modern humanity recognising its existence or at least its probable existence? .

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A tangent is a learning curve. Without them, one goes round and round in a circle. And yes, you might not read this, but others will. :)

Ps even today only about 10% of humans deny the existence of god. How much bigger a demonstration of gods existence in the world could you get than 90% of modern humanity recognising its existence or at least its probable existence? .

Hilariously faulty logic. Just because many people believe something does not mean anything at all. Ten thousand years ago, humans all thought the world was round. That belief in no way made them correct. If everyone decided tomorrow to believe that the sky was purple, they would not be correct. Hundreds of millions of children believe that Santa Claus, tooth fairies, and the Easter Bunny are real, but that does not mean they are correct. Until very recently in human history, most people found the idea of landing a human on the moon to be ridiculous. They were wrong, as well.

Punchline: the number of people who believe a thing has no bearing on how true that thing is.

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I gotta admit that it's nice. I can concentrate on a thread without the needless derailment. Often brought about by someone's desire to go off on a tangent because of some minute detail.

As for God. I don't think I care all that much about debating it's existence. If it does then it needs to make itself know to us in a big way.

A big obvious way ... not via some human quick talking or long winded theological 'excuse'.

Nowadays , a lot of people just dont trust the bank anymore .... without seeing the securities first .

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.... ( content deleted so people's ignore function isnt disrupted ) .

Now you are asking questions of those that cant hear you .

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Hilariously faulty logic. Just because many people believe something does not mean anything at all. Ten thousand years ago, humans all thought the world was round. That belief in no way made them correct. If everyone decided tomorrow to believe that the sky was purple, they would not be correct. Hundreds of millions of children believe that Santa Claus, tooth fairies, and the Easter Bunny are real, but that does not mean they are correct. Until very recently in human history, most people found the idea of landing a human on the moon to be ridiculous. They were wrong, as well.

Punchline: the number of people who believe a thing has no bearing on how true that thing is.

Its the Virgin Mary ! :w00t:

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Naw ! That's a sundog bro !

Sun dawg !

.... ( content deleted so people's ignore function isnt disrupted ) .

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I gotta admit that it's nice. I can concentrate on a thread without the needless derailment. Often brought about by someone's desire to go off on a tangent because of some minute detail.

As for God. I don't think I care all that much about debating it's existence. If it does then it needs to make itself know to us in a big way.

I feel that way, as well. My belief may have made itself known to just me, ( in which why another reason, I don't bug others with it ;) )

but for something that some bug others to pay attention to, it's easier to have ADD with this, when there is actually known objects to drag your attention away from it.

To those who are devout, I understand, but leave it for just yourselves. It can be seen, that those who don't, are just as happy!

Plus

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............................. you now have Patrick Troughton!!!! Yay!!!

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All I can say is that when you have mild dyslexia and what you're reading start to look like this.

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It's time to put up a wall. 90% of the time his post made this happen to me.

You know I think that's why I like gif and memes so much. They are a visual representation of my thoughts. Where as I sometimes can't properly convey my intent with just words.

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All I can say is that when you have mild dyslexia and what you're reading start to look like this.

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It's time to put up a wall. 90% of the time his post made this happen to me.

You know I think that's why I like gif and memes so much. They are a visual representation of my thoughts. Where as I sometimes can't properly convey my intent with just words.

I think it is a good thing to use pics to represent what you are trying to say.

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Punchline: the number of people who believe a thing has no bearing on how true that thing is.

Be very careful with that double edged sword. You might hurt yourself. :-*
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Hilariously faulty logic. Just because many people believe something does not mean anything at all. Ten thousand years ago, humans all thought the world was round. That belief in no way made them correct. If everyone decided tomorrow to believe that the sky was purple, they would not be correct. Hundreds of millions of children believe that Santa Claus, tooth fairies, and the Easter Bunny are real, but that does not mean they are correct. Until very recently in human history, most people found the idea of landing a human on the moon to be ridiculous. They were wrong, as well.

Punchline: the number of people who believe a thing has no bearing on how true that thing is.

Of course not. That was not my point at all. God may be a PRODUCT of belief.

Certainly, how people act and behave is a product of their beliefs So as 90% of humans still believe in gods, we act as if they are real. In turn this produces exactly the same result as IF they were real. Religion faith etc is not about what is true or what can be proven true. Belief CANNOT be about that, because that would be knowledge. Belief exists in the part of our mind where we do not, and CAN not, know or have knowledge about something.

So god exists, in that his works exist, via the belief of 90% of the human population His physical independent existence is both irrelevant and unnecessary, as belief achieves the same ends as a real powerful god by acting through the hands and skills of the believers. . When enough people believe something it is the same as if it was so When a billion people believe and act in unison, they can achieve anything a god could achieve.. If everyone believed aeroplanes could not fly, then not a single one would ever do so. (first because they would never have been invented, and second because no one would fly in a thing they did not believe would stay in the air)

In a sense what is true or real is less important than what people truly BELIEVE to be true or real. Are men and women truly equal /. Only if and when people believe this to be the case. Will humans inhabit mars? They will, if and when enough people believe they can and will.

So, when enough people have faith in a thing, or believe it to be true, eventually it is the same as IF it was true. When people believed the earth was a flat disc it affected how they acted and behaved, including fearing to go beyond sight of land.

You assume knowledge as a constant and always available, but humans know very little, even now, and thus belief becomes essential in understanding the universe outside our bubble of knowledge (of course we could just ignore everything we don't know but the human mind is not evolved to be able to do this. Our survival depends on us making best guesses or estimates, based on what we believe to be true, when we lack the data to KNOW what is true.

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Now you are asking questions of those that cant hear you .

A person who can read but chooses not to, is more ignorant than one who cannot read :)

They can chose to read my posts any time they want. In the meantime others are reading them ( and liking them.) .

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Be very careful with that double edged sword. You might hurt yourself. :-*

Condescend somewhere else. I stand by my statement. A thing is true or not true completely separately from whether people believe it or disbelieve it. I have never said or implied otherwise. This goes for anything, not just religion and philosophy.

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Its the Virgin Mary ! :w00t:

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Naw ! That's a sundog bro !

Sun dawg !

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If you think my syntax is incorrect, then quote it, and de- construct its flaws , and I will examine your opinion.
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Condescend somewhere else. I stand by my statement. A thing is true or not true completely separately from whether people believe it or disbelieve it. I have never said or implied otherwise. This goes for anything, not just religion and philosophy.

And i do not disagree Of course i would personally add tha t 'god' is just as real as you are But that is not the point of this discussion. Humans do not live in a world of knowledge alone. We cannot because we have insufficient knowledge to be able to do so. So we use knowledge as far as we can and THEN we act in faith or according to our beliefs.

To take one big example

.At present our certain knowledge ends at our death. We don't have much available knowledge of what happens after that, although physical sciences offer some good clues And because NO scientist can demonstrate scientifically that there is no existence or awareness after death, then humans are logically and rationally able to believe that this might be possible .

If you don't want to believe in any form or rebirth or reincarnation that is fine (it happens to be my own belief ) but it is also fine and logical /rational to construct a belief that life after death might be possible

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