Michelle Posted January 1, 2016 #101 Share Posted January 1, 2016 come one now ... if it happens it will be reported ! i repeat again Rape DOES happen i never said it didnt , BUT i can only speak for my country it is not so easy because we say that '' Good '' women dont go outside after dark and if they do always with either Husband or other family members !!!! You do see other Women that are out but they have some agenda ..here it is like that for us . And we have Prostitutes also . We also have street justice and if a woman gets raped , believe me whom ever did it would be dealt with . But we have Law also ....and as i stated before just like in every other country the law can be flawed . So women can't work because surely they would have to deal with men face to face without someone from the family to "rescue" them. Unless they work in a dress shop or are a hair dresser I guess. Then they would still have to deal with men to order supplies. I suppose you don't have female nurses in hospitals that are open 24 hours a day or hospitals that are in operation 24 hours. Surely if someone saw these women simply going to their jobs everyone would assume they have an "agenda" like you apparently do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted January 1, 2016 #102 Share Posted January 1, 2016 this is from 2013 will later look for newer stats http://knoema.com/at...-Rape/Rape-rate Given that a law like this has only recently been repealed, I have to ask: Do you know what the legal status in Morocco on marital rape is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #103 Share Posted January 1, 2016 So women can't work because surely they would have to deal with men face to face without someone from the family to "rescue" them. Unless they work in a dress shop or are a hair dresser I guess. Then they would still have to deal with men to order supplies. I suppose you don't have female nurses in hospitals that are open 24 hours a day or hospitals that are in operation 24 hours. Surely if someone saw these women simply going to their jobs everyone would assume they have an "agenda" like you apparently do. whaaaat ? what agenda do i have ... the thing is that people believe that men run around here and raping women left and right . We have women working next to men just like in your country ...have you never been out of your country ? There is a big level of respect between man and woman . That is true ...men go to Barber with only men working and women go to Hairdresser with only women working . in turkey too , it is often not allowed to sit in the bus next to a male . it must be female to female . Except maybe in bigger cities . you dont see teenagers kissing its not allowed and if they do they hide . it is like that here .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #104 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Given that a law like this has only recently been repealed, I have to ask: Do you know what the legal status in Morocco on marital rape is? i know what you will point out and people are fighting to get this changed . its not a secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted January 1, 2016 #105 Share Posted January 1, 2016 i know what you will point out and people are fighting to get this changed . its not a secret Alright, then I do not trust the rape stats at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #106 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Alright, then I do not trust the rape stats at all. i would agree to that, but i was presented a stat from america and you can not compare it to here ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 1, 2016 #107 Share Posted January 1, 2016 whaaaat ? what agenda do i have ... the thing is that people believe that men run around here and raping women left and right . We have women working next to men just like in your country ...have you never been out of your country ? There is a big level of respect between man and woman . That is true ...men go to Barber with only men working and women go to Hairdresser with only women working . in turkey too , it is often not allowed to sit in the bus next to a male . it must be female to female . Except maybe in bigger cities . you dont see teenagers kissing its not allowed and if they do they hide . it is like that here .... You said women out without their husbands or a male family member after dark have an agenda. There doesn't seem to be very much trust if a woman can't be free to be on her own going to and from work without an escort. If they respect and trust the women they must be afraid for her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted January 1, 2016 #108 Share Posted January 1, 2016 i would agree to that, but i was presented a stat from america and you can not compare it to here ... Yes, but only because we know that the Moroccan stats are not very factual, at least in an American sense of what is rape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #109 Share Posted January 1, 2016 You said women out without their husbands or a male family member after dark have an agenda. There doesn't seem to be very much trust if a woman can't be free to be on her own going to and from work without an escort. If they respect and trust the women they must be afraid for her. you must understand arab culture we are not like the west ... yes , there are women who get out drinking and have sexual contacts with men . they do it openly like in the west but chances are these women getting a husband equals zero unless they meet a tourist . These women are aware of that ... on the flip side you have women they would never shake a mans hand and would scream if he reach out for her . Let me say one thing , i was married to an american and i was not not even allowed to step out of the isle while shopping . Had to wait for him to come home to go shopping . He picked me up from work etc etc ... men in america are very angry when someone else look to their wife . i have seen men fight just because another one looked ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #110 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Yes, but only because we know that the Moroccan stats are not very factual, at least in an American sense of what is rape. that might be but still not comparable to US . The we have german law ... how soft they are with conviction of rape ... people in germany always say you can rape and steal and even murder but if you cheat the government for 5 euros you go to jail . We have worked with many civilian cases in germany that happened off Base and german law for rape , i guess we dont have to mention either . Mostly they end up in psychiatry ward if at all most dont even get punished gets out on parole . Cases after cases i saw like that . where the victim will suffer but the rapist is protected even . i have good knowledge about that .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted January 1, 2016 #111 Share Posted January 1, 2016 that might be but still not comparable to US . The we have german law ... how soft they are with conviction of rape ... people in germany always say you can rape and steal and even murder but if you cheat the government for 5 euros you go to jail . We have worked with many civilian cases in germany that happened off Base and german law for rape , i guess we dont have to mention either . Mostly they end up in psychiatry ward if at all most dont even get punished gets out on parole . Cases after cases i saw like that . where the victim will suffer but the rapist is protected even . i have good knowledge about that .. What are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with how things are handled in Germany. Besides, we were talking about your country. If the stats are not factual, you simply cannot compare them, and that means you cannot make a claim that it would be worse in the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 1, 2016 #112 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) you must understand arab culture we are not like the west ... yes , there are women who get out drinking and have sexual contacts with men . they do it openly like in the west but chances are these women getting a husband equals zero unless they meet a tourist . These women are aware of that ... on the flip side you have women they would never shake a mans hand and would scream if he reach out for her . Let me say one thing , i was married to an american and i was not not even allowed to step out of the isle while shopping . Had to wait for him to come home to go shopping . He picked me up from work etc etc ... men in america are very angry when someone else look to their wife . i have seen men fight just because another one looked ... It sounds like you found a man more like what you are used to in your US husband. I would never marry a man like that. Marriage is not the sole purpose of associating with people in general. Most of my best friends are men and my husband doesn't mind at all. You have no idea what I know about the Arab culture. My surrogate family of over thirty years are first generation Arabs. I also worked for them for more than twenty years often working late at night and alone with the three brothers who ran the business. They left the ME because of the repressive culture. We've spoken about it often and their opinion of life there is not nearly as glowing as yours. Their sisters are free to come and go as they please here and have had their own cars since they were eighteen. I've been to every wedding and funeral the family has had in all of these years. I've spent many happy hours in the kitchen of their mother teaching me how to cook traditional Arab dishes and talking about their home country. Simply because you don't like someone's opinion does not mean they don't know anything about what they are talking about. Edited January 1, 2016 by Michelle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #113 Share Posted January 1, 2016 It sounds like you found a man more like what you are used to in your US husband. I would never marry a man like that. Marriage is not the sole purpose of associating with people in general. Most of my best friends are men and my husband doesn't mind at all. You have no idea what I know about the Arab culture. My surrogate family of over thirty years are first generation Arabs. I also worked for them for more than twenty years often working late at night and alone with the three brothers who ran the business. They left the ME because of the repressive culture. We've spoken about it often and their opinion of life there is not nearly as glowing as yours. Their sisters are free to come and go as they please here and have had their own cars since they were eighteen. I've been to every wedding and funeral the family has had in all of these years. I've spent many happy hours in the kitchen of their mother teaching me how to cook traditional Arab dishes and talking about their home country. Simply because you don't like someone's opinion does not mean they don't know anything about what they are talking about. No Michelle , my Husband wasnt like this at the beginning and i wasnt used to this because i am very independent . i cant and wont go into my personal story here ... i dont know where they come from so i cant say . Bottom line ..it is true that we are still oppressed as people here . i dont paint a wonderful picture about my country yet i have some pride too . Not all is bad here ... not all is bad in other countries but at the end it is my home land . i have and had battles to fight and i am talking tribal wars here . it is complex yes ...but there are things i love so much as other ppl love their country . My second Home is America i spend most time in Cali ...i miss it sometimes ...but things have happened and i cant forget nor forgive it ... there are good and bad everywhere ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #114 Share Posted January 1, 2016 What are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with how things are handled in Germany. Besides, we were talking about your country. If the stats are not factual, you simply cannot compare them, and that means you cannot make a claim that it would be worse in the US. i make those comparisons because all just point out about ME ... there are flaws in every system ..that was my point i dont want to always battle but i refuse that people paint this evil picture when there is some good existing ... not everything is always just bad . if it wasnt for isis do you think anyone would even care for our people ? No they wouldnt because we as people are still held low ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
141 Posted January 1, 2016 #115 Share Posted January 1, 2016 i will stop commenting here on this thread because i dont want it closed ... i gave my opinion is all .... peace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted January 1, 2016 #116 Share Posted January 1, 2016 i make those comparisons because all just point out about ME ... there are flaws in every system ..that was my point i dont want to always battle but i refuse that people paint this evil picture when there is some good existing ... not everything is always just bad . if it wasnt for isis do you think anyone would even care for our people ? No they wouldnt because we as people are still held low ... Flaws? You did not point anything out. You just made a claim that holds no truth whatsoever. Marital rape not being rape is not a "flaw", it is outright terrifying. This is not about fighting. If marital rape is not considered rape in Morocco, then it screws up any kind of rape statistic. And then you try to derail again; this is not about ISIS. Being held low? What are you talking about now? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOMBIE Posted January 1, 2016 #117 Share Posted January 1, 2016 i will stop commenting here on this thread because i dont want it closed ... i gave my opinion is all .... peace I would have liked to know your opinion, but you didn't state it at all. You just said things like: "It's bad, I know, but look, there it's much worse!" Without giving any factual evidence at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted January 1, 2016 #118 Share Posted January 1, 2016 you must understand arab culture we are not like the west ... yes , there are women who get out drinking and have sexual contacts with men . they do it openly like in the west but chances are these women getting a husband equals zero unless they meet a tourist . These women are aware of that ... on the flip side you have women they would never shake a mans hand and would scream if he reach out for her . Let me say one thing , i was married to an american and i was not not even allowed to step out of the isle while shopping . Had to wait for him to come home to go shopping . He picked me up from work etc etc ... men in america are very angry when someone else look to their wife . i have seen men fight just because another one looked ... Sounds like your husband was an idiot and I would say its a good thing you got out of that marriage. I bet his mother was treated like this by his father. That is often the case. So ladies pay attention how the dad treats the mom. The difference between the ME and western countries the law doesn't support bad treatment of women. Your husband doesn't own you, his word isn't law.My own grandmother was abused by my grandfather and that was passed on to his sons. They are also abusive towards their wives. The last time my grandfather was going to hit my grandmother I was 12. My poor grandmother was sitting there listening to his abusive words and tried to stand her ground with him. I guess because she wouldn't shut up he thought he would make her. When he jumped up out of his chair to hit her I stood up and was going to waylay him if he did. He saw my stance and backed down. If he hadn't I would have knocked him on his butt and he knew it. I'll never forget the look on his face. Funny how men can sleep around and expect a medal but let a woman do it and they are considered the lowest of the low. If she has to wait for a tourist to find a husband then it just shows how backward thinking these men are. The woman screaming just because a man wanted to shake her hand tells me she has been brainwashed by men and made afraid to think for herself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted January 1, 2016 #119 Share Posted January 1, 2016 i will stop commenting here on this thread because i dont want it closed ... i gave my opinion is all .... peace Don't stop commenting just because others don't agree with you. Stand your ground. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted January 2, 2016 #120 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Should women worry their pretty little heads about abstracts like politics and religion,anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiloh17 Posted January 2, 2016 #121 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He's unmarried, and comes from a religion where woman are killed if they are raped. He demands sex? Take him out and shoot him, that's my take on it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 2, 2016 #122 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He's unmarried, and comes from a religion where woman are killed if they are raped. He demands sex? Take him out and shoot him, that's my take on it. I was thinking more along the lines of castration. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 2, 2016 #123 Share Posted January 2, 2016 i will stop commenting here on this thread because i dont want it closed ... i gave my opinion is all .... peace I don't think you've said anything wrong. PM a moderator if you want to be sure you are not getting out of line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 2, 2016 #124 Share Posted January 2, 2016 That is true ...men go to Barber with only men working and women go to Hairdresser with only women working . in turkey too , it is often not allowed to sit in the bus next to a male . it must be female to female . Except maybe in bigger cities . We used to have "Separate but Equal" here in the US, but it was racially based, not sexually based. I don't think keeping the woman and men apart is a very good idea. It promotes one to think it is better then the other, even if the rights of all are the same. that might be but still not comparable to US . The we have german law ... how soft they are with conviction of rape ... people in germany always say you can rape and steal and even murder but if you cheat the government for 5 euros you go to jail . We have worked with many civilian cases in germany that happened off Base and german law for rape , i guess we dont have to mention either . Mostly they end up in psychiatry ward if at all most dont even get punished gets out on parole . Cases after cases i saw like that . where the victim will suffer but the rapist is protected even . i have good knowledge about that .. I can believe this. The German philosophy on criminals is basically that you can't imprison them. You have to rehabilitate them, and you can't do that with them in prison for life, or even 10 years. They have to be out running around, able to perform their crimes again and again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinc12 Posted January 8, 2016 Author #125 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) 100% rapes in Norway's committed by Muslim immigrants That's somebody's daughter getting raped, that's somebody's sister getting raped....what do you think the result of this will be? Edited January 8, 2016 by Zinc12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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