Guest Br Cornelius Posted January 12, 2016 #251 Share Posted January 12, 2016 So then, you would not use the chimp analogy for black voters. Thought so. We all follow roughly the same sets of behaviour - but ultimately we get the choice of which pack to follow. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted January 12, 2016 #252 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It's not that I don't understand what you are saying. I do. It's that you won't apply it equally with the same words. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted January 12, 2016 #253 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'd like to ask the both of you one question - what form of protest was Ms Hamid undertaking at the Trump rally? Please indicate whether it was violent, used inflammatory or incendiary language, promoted jihadism or terrorism, etc. Or was it entirely inoffensive? I would say her behavior lies between "entirely inoffensive" and "inappropriate". She obviously wasn't berating anyone or being violent, but I think tossing her out was the right thing to do. People came to listen to Trump's speech, not get caught up in semantics about Islam. To be honest Leo, this incident reminds of me "America's favorite Muslim" Ahmed. She must have known it was going to cause disruption. She didn't put that shirt on honestly believing people around her weren't going to start commenting on it or start crowd discussions. She knew it was going to be disruptive to Trumps gathering, in some way. Weather or not this will turn out like Ahemd's story, (full of holes and ultimately based on a false pretense,) will come to light over the next couple weeks. ...fingers crossed she doesn't turn out to be a Democratic plant or something ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #254 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) The rest of the story... Hamid, 56, said by telephone on Monday that she was not involved in the planning but decided to go to the rally on her day off work after receiving an email from another protester, Edith Garwood. "She told me she planned to do a silent protest," said Hamid, the president of a group called Muslim Women of the Carolinas. "I told her that's what I wanted to do." That said, Hamid acknowledged the protest, like any political messaging operation, was aimed at attracting as much attention as possible. "I chose that spot strategically," said Hamid, who stood up directly behind Trump when the billionaire businessman and reality TV show star suggested that refugees fleeing violence in Syria might be affiliated with Islamic State militants. Not every member of the group adhered to the silent strategy. Jibril Hough, an activist from Charlotte who is friends with Hamid, decided to chant "Islam is not the problem" and said he was physically removed. cont... http://www.aol.com/a...Lid=-1343401184 Edited January 12, 2016 by Michelle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 12, 2016 #255 Share Posted January 12, 2016 it is the United States of America fer gawds sakes ... or so it seems ~ what happened ? ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #256 Share Posted January 12, 2016 it is the United States of America fer gawds sakes ... or so it seems ~ what happened ? ~ See posts number 77 and 105. They explain why it is illegal to protest inside of a political rally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 12, 2016 #257 Share Posted January 12, 2016 See posts number 77 and 105. They explain why it is illegal to protest inside of a political rally. I understand all that , and at the end of the fray it is still merely a failure to communicate ~ it is sounding like the rumbling of a lynch mob gathering mutterings ~ Protesting at rallies political or otherwise is nothing new ... just because this is a case of a Muslim protesting it becomes How dare they ? ` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #258 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I understand all that , and at the end of the fray it is still merely a failure to communicate ~ it is sounding like the rumbling of a lynch mob gathering mutterings ~ Protesting at rallies political or otherwise is nothing new ... just because this is a case of a Muslim protesting it becomes How dare they ? ` No, they are nothing new. That is why they made a new law in 2012 against it for anyone. She was treated just like eveyone else...equally. You may want to read the entire thread to get all of the facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Lotus Posted January 12, 2016 #259 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) No, they are nothing new. That is why they made a new law in 2012 against it for anyone. She was treated just like eveyone else...equally. You may want to read the entire thread to get all of the facts. kind of unnecessary torture at this point isn't it Edited January 12, 2016 by Iron_Lotus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted January 12, 2016 #260 Share Posted January 12, 2016 The rest of the story... Hamid, 56, said by telephone on Monday that she was not involved in the planning but decided to go to the rally on her day off work after receiving an email from another protester, Edith Garwood. "She told me she planned to do a silent protest," said Hamid, the president of a group called Muslim Women of the Carolinas. "I told her that's what I wanted to do." That said, Hamid acknowledged the protest, like any political messaging operation, was aimed at attracting as much attention as possible. "I chose that spot strategically," said Hamid, who stood up directly behind Trump when the billionaire businessman and reality TV show star suggested that refugees fleeing violence in Syria might be affiliated with Islamic State militants. And thanks to the power of the internet, we can easily see what Edith Garwood is all about... (queue CSI "hacker" music while unintelligible computer gibberish flowing across my screen) There we go. "Edith Garwood is the Amnesty International USA Country Specialist for Israel, the Occupied Palestinian Territories and the Palestine (State of)." Interesting. Here's an article authored by Ms. Garwood herself. http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/lets-be-clear-israels-long-running-settlement-policy-constitutes-a-war-crime/ ..and some more info on her position: "Edith Garwood serves as Amnesty-USA’s “Country Specialist on Israel, Occupied Palestinian Territories, and Palestinian Authority.” AIUSA’s Country Specialists are unpaid volunteer leaders who provide expertise and strategy for a given country. 27 Before joining Amnesty, Garwood volunteered as a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM),28 a group dedicated to provoking violent confrontations with Israeli troops and impeding their movements, often during anti-terror operations. Garwood was also a director of Palestine Media Watch-Charlotte (now seemingly defunct) and a member of Coalition for Peace and Justice (CPWJ).29 CPWJ provides funding to the anti-Israel, pro-BDS NGOs Badil, Israeli Committee against House Demolitions (ICAHD), and Sabeel.30" Now the real story is coming in to focus. Ms. Hamid was coaxed in to demonstrating by her radical, anti-Israel activist friend Edith Garwood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #261 Share Posted January 12, 2016 kind of unnecessary torture at this point isn't it A gave him the posts to find the actual facts. That's all I can do to make someone not feel like they have all been victimized. I even followed up with the rest of the story from the lady herself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 12, 2016 #262 Share Posted January 12, 2016 No, they are nothing new. That is why they made a new law in 2012 against it for anyone. She was treated just like eveyone else...equally. You may want to read the entire thread to get all of the facts. That's what was contentious about the Law ... it being a freedom of expression in silenced speech or a 'protest' ... I don't question the fact that she was being shown the door and asked to leave , in fact I thought that was what made her more relevant than necessary ~ and a lack of foresight on Trump's behalf ... not to mention it making the whole thing more of a farce that it already is ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #263 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) That's what was contentious about the Law ... it being a freedom of expression in silenced speech or a 'protest' ... I don't question the fact that she was being shown the door and asked to leave , in fact I thought that was what made her more relevant than necessary ~ and a lack of foresight on Trump's behalf ... not to mention it making the whole thing more of a farce that it already is ~ ~ It had nothing to do with Trump. The Secret Service is in charge of security. You'd have to take it up with Obama's guys. He also endorsed the laws for political rallies. Edited January 12, 2016 by Michelle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 12, 2016 #264 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It had nothing to do with Trump. The Secret Service is in charge of security. You'd have to take it up with Obama's guys. He also endorsed the laws for political rallies. Well ... I don't know who and what to refer to anymore ~ After Hamid and three others, all wearing stars reminiscent of those worn by Jews during the Holocaust, were escorted out by police and Trump campaign officials, Trump commented on the disturbance. "There is hatred against us that is unbelievable," Trump said. "It's their hatred, it's not our hatred." cnn link Sparky did not do himself any favor here ... ` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #265 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'm sure you can find any number of articles to back up your beliefs, third_eye. The fact is, the Secret Service is in charge and nothing happens without their okay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 12, 2016 #266 Share Posted January 12, 2016 SS only protects president, and presidential candidates before election, trump is neither at this point. so i doubt it was SS, most likely private security firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #267 Share Posted January 12, 2016 SS only protects president, and presidential candidates before election, trump is neither at this point. so i doubt it was SS, most likely private security firm. *sigh* Post number 105. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Lotus Posted January 12, 2016 #268 Share Posted January 12, 2016 SS only protects president, and presidential candidates before election, trump is neither at this point. so i doubt it was SS, most likely private security firm. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-and-ben-carson-receive-secret-service-code-names-392582 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 12, 2016 #269 Share Posted January 12, 2016 wow, you are right, they are assigned, wonder why they assigned agents already, before even nominations are made. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted January 12, 2016 #270 Share Posted January 12, 2016 So we have a Muslim woman with a T shirt that says 'I Come in Peace' - wanting to "show people Muslims are not that scary" - that is painted as being out of line for 'protesting where she is not allowed to'.. Not the hatespewing crowd convening to revel in their Islamophobic rhetoric thinking out all sorts of ridiculously bigotted idea's to save themselves from 'big bad boogieman Islam'. Perfectly denotes the present zeit geist for all Im concerned. Up is down, down is up. Increasingly so. Crazy times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 12, 2016 #271 Share Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) she is no protester she is a instigator. i do not care what her issue is, she had no business wearing that star. Edited January 12, 2016 by aztek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted January 12, 2016 #272 Share Posted January 12, 2016 So we have a Muslim woman with a T shirt that says 'I Come in Peace' - wanting to "show people Muslims are not that scary" - that is painted as being out of line for 'protesting where she is not allowed to'.. Not the hatespewing crowd convening to revel in their Islamophobic rhetoric thinking out all sorts of ridiculously bigotted idea's to save themselves from 'big bad boogieman Islam'. Perfectly denotes the present zeit geist for all Im concerned. Up is down, down is up. Increasingly so. Crazy times. Thanks ye kindly ... just the point and sentiment I failed to compose ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted January 12, 2016 #273 Share Posted January 12, 2016 wow, you are right, they are assigned, wonder why they assigned agents already, before even nominations are made. *smack* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Grey Posted January 12, 2016 #274 Share Posted January 12, 2016 she is no protester she is a instigator. Rose Hamid is just a woman who happens to be brown and Muslim. What we should focus on is how a liberal activist with ties to radical anti-Israel groups convinced Rose to wear that stupid shirt to a Trump rally. The tasteless "Jewish stars reminiscent of the Holocaust" make way more sense now that this Edith Garwood has been exposed as the instigator of this whole debacle. Like white college students appropriating the Black Lives Matter movement, here we have another radical liberal using a minority to project their own agenda. In this case, the agenda was relatively innocent and easy to get behind, but despite the good intentions I'm going to label Edith Garwood as "racist". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted January 12, 2016 #275 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Sparky did not do himself any favor here ... Do you honestly believe he's been damaged either? SS only protects president, and presidential candidates before election, trump is neither at this point. so i doubt it was SS, most likely private security firm. When a candidate is popular enough or draws large enough crowds SS detail is given. Romney had it too I think. I don't know the exact criteria but Trump and Carson were both given detail at about the same time. I wonder if Carson's detail has been pulled though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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