Zinc12 Posted January 22, 2016 Author #26 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Sounds like it's time to Emigrate That is exactly what is happening, record numbers know the country is doomed and are selling up and getting out. I dont know if its true but people say rats jump ship just before it sinks lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinc12 Posted January 22, 2016 Author #27 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Pretty sure the OP wasn't targetting any particular group. We're a tiny little island being swamped with immigrants from both the EU and "refugees" from the rest of the world. Just to put this into perspective... Australia - Population 23,839,595 - Area (km2) 7,682,300 Canada - Population 33,740,000 - Area (km2) 9,984,670 United Kingdom - Population 62,041,708 - Area (km2) 243,610 There's a lot of people on here with opinions on immigration. I'm not sure many actually realize the strain the U.K. (amongst others) is under. No they don't, If you come from America or Canada I invite you to go look at a world map, look at the size of your country and then compare with UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinc12 Posted January 22, 2016 Author #28 Share Posted January 22, 2016 5. Allows them to escape having to sort out the white trash social problems to produce more people with the vital skills needed to run a modern economy. Those people cant sort out their own country's so the idea you are going to import a load of wasters on benefits and that these wasters are somehow going to improve your country is somewhat amusing, for example over 80% of Somalians are on benefits have no desire to work and will never work...neither will their children. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 22, 2016 #29 Share Posted January 22, 2016 To stir pot a bit: (link) So out of one million immigrants only 1 in 5 suspected of committing crimes eh? And you think this is a low number? 1/5th? That's actually an outrageously high number. To put it in perspective what if one out of every fiver naturally born citizens were criminals? You couldn't build enough prisons to keep them in. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 22, 2016 #30 Share Posted January 22, 2016 So out of one million immigrants only 1 in 5 suspected of committing crimes eh? And you think this is a low number? 1/5th? That's actually an outrageously high number. To put it in perspective what if one out of every fiver naturally born citizens were criminals? You couldn't build enough prisons to keep them in. Yeah that was my thougth when he posted the graph. 20 percent seems like a really high rate to me 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 22, 2016 #31 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Pretty sure the OP wasn't targetting any particular group. We're a tiny little island being swamped with immigrants from both the EU and "refugees" from the rest of the world. Just to put this into perspective... Australia - Population 23,839,595 - Area (km2) 7,682,300 Canada - Population 33,740,000 - Area (km2) 9,984,670 United Kingdom - Population 62,041,708 - Area (km2) 243,610 There's a lot of people on here with opinions on immigration. I'm not sure many actually realize the strain the U.K. (amongst others) is under. Dude! Most of Canada and Australia are nigh on uninhabitable while Britain is all very habitable so not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted January 23, 2016 #32 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I do understand and i understand your concernes. Every nation tries to preseve their culture and language. But in this case, like Steve said, the blame is on the government and not on the immigrants. Just think about, if something is left for free to use people will take it. A more controled immigration policy would be of benefit to both parties. Yep, I completely agree. I don't blame anyone for trying to make a better life for themselves, even those with questionable motives. It's up to governments to decide who has something to offer to a nation. I remember reading a really poignant post on the BBC from a Chinese immigrant to the U.K. who was speaking against the current state of immigration. They'd made every effort to fit into the culture, while bringing something of their own, and they'd been welcomed with open arms. The post was decrying the way many immigrants didn't care anything for Britain and were simply taking as much as they could and offering nothing in return. I wish I could still find the post. It was a good read. The bottom line is that Britain as a nation is generally very welcoming and friendly to people. The reason attitudes are starting to shift is because that welcoming nature is getting heavily abused through weak governance. Whether that governance would be any stronger unshackled from the EU, who knows. It's getting harder and harder to find open and reasonable discussion on the subject these days though. As soon as you mention tighter immigration control, the "PC Brigade" are lining up to put a swastika on your head. It's far from the truth though. While I'm sure there's an element that are simply prejudiced, the majority are just concerned about the living standards for anyone that wants to "be British", and put the "Great" back in Britain again. Make no mistake, those standards are in decline. It says it all when you pick up your local newspaper to see devastating cuts to flood defences by the local council... right after seeing some of the worst flooding in decades... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted January 23, 2016 #33 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Yeah that was my thougth when he posted the graph. 20 percent seems like a really high rate to me Me too. He just seen the low red line on the pretty graph. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted January 23, 2016 #34 Share Posted January 23, 2016 We have the same problem in the US. Heck we don't even investigate 99% of people that overstay their visas much less protect our borders. They claim we have hundreds of thousands of people that are living here that overstayed their visa. Obama deports 121 and these immigrant rights group's have a fit. 99 percent of illegal immigrants who overstay visas aren’t investigated I don't know what the process is like these days, but emigration to the U.S. or Australia from Britain, back when I considered it in my twenties, was pretty daunting. There were a thousand-and-one hoops to jump through to prove yourself worthy; complete lack of criminal record, solid financial standing, work and accommodation planned ahead, etc. As it should be. It does make me wonder just how many hoops people with very little to nothing to offer have to jump through these days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted January 23, 2016 #35 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No the problems are not caused by these immigrants... They are caused by those who rule you! You know,those great upstanding persons that every few years the masses are at each others throats about who will rule next Worry not your little head they know what is best for the rest! While the right and the left masses argue,bicker,and complain daily about how their daily lives are being affected one way or the other can rest easy knowing that the real persons responsible live the best lives,in nice neighborhoods,eating the best foods,having the best multi million dollar vacations,ect... On second thought it probably is those poor damn immigrants faults,letting themselves in,forcefully taking money,ect...Haha Dont blame those who came,blame those who brought them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted January 23, 2016 #36 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I don't know what the process is like these days, but emigration to the U.S. or Australia from Britain, back when I considered it in my twenties, was pretty daunting. There were a thousand-and-one hoops to jump through to prove yourself worthy; complete lack of criminal record, solid financial standing, work and accommodation planned ahead, etc. As it should be. It does make me wonder just how many hoops people with very little to nothing to offer have to jump through these days. Yes legal immigrants have to jump through hoops and its costs too. Allowing people to come here illegally and stay like we do must be a big slap in the face for them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted January 23, 2016 #37 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No the problems are not caused by these immigrants... They are caused by those who rule you! You know,those great upstanding persons that every few years the masses are at each others throats about who will rule next Worry not your little head they know what is best for the rest! While the right and the left masses argue,bicker,and complain daily about how their daily lives are being affected one way or the other can rest easy knowing that the real persons responsible live the best lives,in nice neighborhoods,eating the best foods,having the best multi million dollar vacations,ect... On second thought it probably is those poor damn immigrants faults,letting themselves in,forcefully taking money,ect...Haha Dont blame those who came,blame those who brought them I always agree that politicians are to blame first and foremost but the immigrants have a moral obligation to be productive assimilated citizens. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 23, 2016 #38 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Why wont the government just spit it out and tell the truth, we have a serious immigration crisis and many of these immigrants are useless and a burden to the country. We don't have a housing crisis, we have an immigration crisis. If the government wasn't so busy pumping the country full of immigrants we wouldn't have problems housing them. We don't have an NHS crisis, we have an immigration crisis. Last time you went to the doctors or hospital did you look at who made-up the majority in the waiting room...yes immigrants. We don't have an unemployment crisis, we have an immigration crisis. Yes a large percentage of immigrants come to suck on the benefit system and commit benefit fraud, sub letting council housing, working and claiming benefits or just plane lazy on benefits since they arrived and will still be on benefits the day they go out in a box. Worked in housing and dealt with these people every day. We don't have a public transport crisis, we have an immigration crisis, too many people and the transport system struggles. We don't have an education crisis, we have an immigration crisis. Classrooms full of immigrants who slowdown the whole class because they cant even understand English. So are you saying your country never had problems with any of these things till you started having an immigration crisis? When do you figure your country started having this immigration crisis? And which immigrants are you speaking of, the ones that have been coming in for many hundreds of years, or ones that have been coming in over the last year or two? And are you saying that about thirteen percent of your population rules your country via crisis inducement? And that over 85% of your population has nothing to do with these problems at all, indicating that none of them use any of the services you mention? Are you talking about all current immigrants, or just illegal ones? I know that's a lot of questions. If you can't answer them all, it would be great if someone else here on UM that lives there could. It just that laying all the problems of healthcare, employment, housing, transportation, education on just immigrants seems excessive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted January 23, 2016 #39 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) I always agree that politicians are to blame first and foremost but the immigrants have a moral obligation to be productive assimilated citizens. Morals are made up personal standards,while i agree immigrants should assimilate many do not and said dear leaders know they don't want to but bring them in anyways.And you as the average Western voter best just deal with it,but just be sure to go out and vote next cycle Edited January 23, 2016 by CrimsonKing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted January 23, 2016 #40 Share Posted January 23, 2016 So out of one million immigrants only 1 in 5 suspected of committing crimes eh? And you think this is a low number? 1/5th? That's actually an outrageously high number. To put it in perspective what if one out of every fiver naturally born citizens were criminals? You couldn't build enough prisons to keep them in. Yeah that was my thougth when he posted the graph. 20 percent seems like a really high rate to me Me too. He just seen the low red line on the pretty graph. Send complaint to Spiegel, don't shoot the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted January 23, 2016 #41 Share Posted January 23, 2016 So are you saying your country never had problems with any of these things till you started having an immigration crisis? When do you figure your country started having this immigration crisis? And which immigrants are you speaking of, the ones that have been coming in for many hundreds of years, or ones that have been coming in over the last year or two? And are you saying that about thirteen percent of your population rules your country via crisis inducement? And that over 85% of your population has nothing to do with these problems at all, indicating that none of them use any of the services you mention? Are you talking about all current immigrants, or just illegal ones? I know that's a lot of questions. If you can't answer them all, it would be great if someone else here on UM that lives there could. It just that laying all the problems of healthcare, employment, housing, transportation, education on just immigrants seems excessive. When I tend to hear this from people on the street, its usually people that are on benefits or people not tryying hard enough to find jobs or cba people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted January 23, 2016 #42 Share Posted January 23, 2016 'Most problems' - including but not limited to the refugee crisis - are caused by YOUR GOVERNMENT. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted January 23, 2016 #43 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Most of our problems are caused by the government. Either they fail us like they have on illegal immigration or they decide to start a war we shouldn't be in, raid social security to pay for pet projects then complain its going broke. They spend trillions on helping illegals and starting these wars when our infrastructure is falling apart and many of our seniors have to chose between food and medicine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted January 23, 2016 #44 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Most of our problems are caused by the government. Either they fail us like they have on illegal immigration or they decide to start a war we shouldn't be in, raid social security to pay for pet projects then complain its going broke. They spend trillions on helping illegals and starting these wars when our infrastructure is falling apart and many of our seniors have to chose between food and medicine. I don`t understand in which way the government helps the illegals, illegals don`t have any rights obviously, since they aren`r registered. They work for much less than any citizen and get abused by their employer in most cases. They don`t get well-fare, so in which way do they get supported? If the illegals would become legal than they would have to compete with the citizens and also would have to work for the same wages, which would be the most beneficial approach. On the other hand a lot of companies would need to close down because they can`t afford normal wages, thus they wouldn`t find any people willing to work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted January 23, 2016 #45 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I don`t understand in which way the government helps the illegals, illegals don`t have any rights obviously, since they aren`r registered. They work for much less than any citizen and get abused by their employer in most cases. They don`t get well-fare, so in which way do they get supported? If the illegals would become legal than they would have to compete with the citizens and also would have to work for the same wages, which would be the most beneficial approach. On the other hand a lot of companies would need to close down because they can`t afford normal wages, thus they wouldn`t find any people willing to work for them. They get welfare for their anchor babies. Here illegals are given drivers license in some states, food stamps, health care, education. We have to provide lawyers for them when facing immigration court, gang activity.This is just California. Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashotep Posted January 23, 2016 #46 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If you listen to some this isn't even going on. So who would you Brits say is right. How Labour has turned London into a foreign city: Fewer than half the capital's population are white British, gangsters from Somalia terrorise the suburbs and even the tramps are immigrants, reveals astonishing new book 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted January 23, 2016 #47 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) They get welfare for their anchor babies. Here illegals are given drivers license in some states, food stamps, health care, education. We have to provide lawyers for them when facing immigration court, gang activity. This is just California. Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually Okay, in most European countries they don`t get anything. So what is the legal status of an illegal immigrants, how are they defined by law, they only can get such things if a law is in place which determines when they are eligible to receive benefits. Also the article only states the costs, but the economy benefits from cheap labor, also it would be interesting to see what kind of jobs they are doing and how high the rate of vacancies are in those areas. edit: I won`t even comment on your second "article" Edited January 23, 2016 by hellwyr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 23, 2016 #48 Share Posted January 23, 2016 When I tend to hear this from people on the street, its usually people that are on benefits or people not tryying hard enough to find jobs or cba people I don't know what a cba person is? And at any rate, I'm not on benefits, I have a job- two of them actually with additional side work But I always wonder when people phrase things in such a manner that lays a problem 100% on one particular group or reason. Like the OP is laying 100% of housing, employment, transportation, education, and healthcare problems at the feet of immigrants- like really, the UK never had a single problem with any of this before the recent immigrant influx? I wasn't even sure if he meant just regular immigrants or illegal ones, or any of the other things I asked questions about. Because I find that usually when people make commentary like that, they are looking for a magic bullet problem that can have a magic bullet answer, and it's almost always about things that have a multitude of problems within the problems, and no single answer to even try to start solving them. So that's why I ask questions... I don't live over there, and would like to better know what is going on over there from someone that lives there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 23, 2016 #49 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) I don't know what a cba person is? And at any rate, I'm not on benefits, I have a job- two of them actually with additional side work But I always wonder when people phrase things in such a manner that lays a problem 100% on one particular group or reason. Like the OP is laying 100% of housing, employment, transportation, education, and healthcare problems at the feet of immigrants- like really, the UK never had a single problem with any of this before the recent immigrant influx? I wasn't even sure if he meant just regular immigrants or illegal ones, or any of the other things I asked questions about. Because I find that usually when people make commentary like that, they are looking for a magic bullet problem that can have a magic bullet answer, and it's almost always about things that have a multitude of problems within the problems, and no single answer to even try to start solving them. So that's why I ask questions... I don't live over there, and would like to better know what is going on over there from someone that lives there. cba might mean cant be arsed. i really hope so, we use this term in work. Edited January 23, 2016 by stevewinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Border Collie Posted January 23, 2016 #50 Share Posted January 23, 2016 If you listen to some this isn't even going on. So who would you Brits say is right. How Labour has turned London into a foreign city: Fewer than half the capital's population are white British, gangsters from Somalia terrorise the suburbs and even the tramps are immigrants, reveals astonishing new book Typical Daily Mail garbage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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