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China Supports East Jerusalem As Capital Of Sovereign Palestinian State - President Xi

''China has openly declared that it supports the independence of a Palestinian state which has East Jerusalem as its capital. Addressing the Arab League, the Chinese president also announced a $7.6mn grant for a solar power project to improve Palestinians’ well-being.

Speaking for the first time at Arab League headquarters in Egypt, Chinese President Xi Jinping stressed that the Palestinian issue should not be marginalized, as he declared Beijing’s support for the Palestinian peace process.''

RT link: https://www.rt.com/n...erusalem-china/

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Chinese President Declare Support For Palestinian State:

Ynetnews link: http://www.ynetnews....4756386,00.html

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OverSword

Of course China backs weakening Americas strongest ally in the middle east.

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Hyades

Wow! this one was not expected!

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Sir Wearer of Hats

What's in it for China?

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What's in it for China?

good deals with Arabian countries

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Hyades

What's in it for China?

Wouldn't be possible that the emergence of BRIC, the getting rid gradually of the US $ by Russia and China, the increased spending of Russia, China, and Iran (not sure) on military hardware? may be a sign that the American Power over the World is slowly changing hands?, it looks like it, only an hypothesis.

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Goodnite

China looking to project its power over the globe. Is there any where they haven't given aid to?

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simplybill

What's in it for China?

IMO, China has their eye on this:

"with the potential reserve size being estimated at 16 trillion cubic feet (450 billion cubic metres)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_gas_field

Friendly relations with the Palestinians and Lebanon will ensure future access to all that energy.

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IMO, China has their eye on this:

"with the potential reserve size being estimated at 16 trillion cubic feet (450 billion cubic metres)"

https://en.wikipedia...athan_gas_field

Friendly relations with the Palestinians and Lebanon will ensure future access to all that energy.

Since it is Israel that will control this field, I'm not sure how anyone bolstering their enemies will look to benefit. Mind you, I said Israel control it, not that they will necessarily be the sole beneficiaries of it. IOW China would do well not to anger Israel if it wants to benefit from that gas. The world is slowly pushing Israel into a corner where the Palestinians are concerned. They have to understand the end game of the Palestinians yet they still support them. Only war can result.
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Sir Wearer of Hats

Maybe, and here is Captain Insane Optimism speaking, China gets Palestine on side so as to attempt to broker a peace?

A genuinely impartial outsider stepping in etc.

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A rather obscure Bassoon

Since it is Israel that will control this field, I'm not sure how anyone bolstering their enemies will look to benefit. Mind you, I said Israel control it, not that they will necessarily be the sole beneficiaries of it. IOW China would do well not to anger Israel if it wants to benefit from that gas. The world is slowly pushing Israel into a corner where the Palestinians are concerned. They have to understand the end game of the Palestinians yet they still support them. Only war can result.

Really, why would China even need to worry about Isreal ?

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Since it is Israel that will control this field, I'm not sure how anyone bolstering their enemies will look to benefit.

It's just my opinion, but I don't think China has anything to lose by supporting the 2-State solution that the UN and the Israeli Left support (The latest UN vote was 165-6 in favor of). It's being marketed as the "middle of the road" solution to peace in the Middle East, so a minor political shift away from the center-right Likud party in Israel would put China in the center of world opinion, meanwhile gaining favor with a Left-leaning Israeli government.

China is gaining favor with Middle-Eastern countries:

"At the same time, the Chinese experience of economic growth without significant political liberalization remains an interesting, if not outright attractive, example for some Middle Eastern regimes."

http://csis.org/prog...ina-middle-east

China appears to be clearing a path for pipelines to the Mediterranean Sea and/or the Arabian Sea. If China succeeds in "unleashing" cooperation between all of those countries, the next step would be to ensure future "friendly" access to the Leviathan gas fields (if Lebanon succeeds in expanding their territorial water rights) and the Zohr gas fields off the coast of Egypt:

BEIJING, Jan. 23 (Xinhua) -- "With the further dovetailing of development strategies of China and the Middle East, enormous cooperation potential will be unleashed, thanks to Chinese President Xi Jinping's ongoing trip. Xi's three-nation tour, which has taken him to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran, has helped further link China's westward opening strategy and its Middle East partners' looking-east policy, in a move that has lifted bilateral ties to a new high and brought vitality to their interaction."

http://news.xinhuane...c_135038726.htm

China has an advantage over the West, in that they've stayed away from much of the military action in the Middle East. Supporting the 2-State Solution will further increase China's status in the eyes of anti-Israel governments in the Middle East, while a pro-Israel Republican win in the next US elections would increase America's status as the "Great Satan," thereby increasing China's image as a friendly economic (and military?) partner.

Overall, I see a win-win for China.

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Really, why would China even need to worry about Isreal ?

Oh, I don't know, maybe because it's one of the top 10 militaries in the world or that it takes next to no effort to continually sabotage any drilling or piping system from such a facility? Or do you think only Islamic terror types know how to do such things? ;) No, Israel will have a say in how that gas is used, a big one.

ETA - and since it was an Israeli company in conjunction with a US firm that found the bloody thing, why shouldn't they have a major say?

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Really, why would China even need to worry about Israel ?

That's a good question, Mr. Bassoon. I'm wondering what else they've been discussing during President Xi's Middle East visit?

This is all conjecture: with Israel out of the way, the entire southern and eastern coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, up to the border of Greece, would be under Islamic control. It wouldn't be necessary to completely destroy Israel, as the implementation of the 2-State solution would allow the Islamic Republic of Palestine to open its borders to mass migration of refugees from war-torn Muslim countries, leaving Israel surrounded on all sides. Israel's nuclear option would be a less viable means of defense when the enemy is only 20 miles down the road.

In that scenario, China would have access to unlimited energy, and radical Islam would have easy access to Europe.

Or perhaps I'm just over-thinking the situation...

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That's a good question, Mr. Bassoon. I'm wondering what else they've been discussing during President Xi's Middle East visit?

This is all conjecture: with Israel out of the way, the entire southern and eastern coasts of the Mediterranean Sea, up to the border of Greece, would be under Islamic control. It wouldn't be necessary to completely destroy Israel, as the implementation of the 2-State solution would allow the Islamic Republic of Palestine to open its borders to mass migration of refugees from war-torn Muslim countries, leaving Israel surrounded on all sides. Israel's nuclear option would be a less viable means of defense when the enemy is only 20 miles down the road.

In that scenario, China would have access to unlimited energy, and radical Islam would have easy access to Europe.

Or perhaps I'm just over-thinking the situation...

As with so many others, you ignore or underestimate the actual plan of the Palestinians. Even if a 2 state solution were made, it would only be temporary since the Palestinian conflict isn't about some of the land, it's about ALL the land. This is a fact whether it is recognized by others or not. Israel would face annihilation so the use of a nuke wouldn't be restricted by proximity of the blast area to their homes since they'd only go nuclear if the end of their nation was happening. But the point I was making is that the IDF or other security organs of the government could easily, continually sabotage the flow of the resource so some sort of accommodation with Israel would HAVE to be made, period.

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As with so many others, you ignore or underestimate the actual plan of the Palestinians. Even if a 2 state solution were made, it would only be temporary since the Palestinian conflict isn't about some of the land, it's about ALL the land. This is a fact whether it is recognized by others or not. Israel would face annihilation so the use of a nuke wouldn't be restricted by proximity of the blast area to their homes since they'd only go nuclear if the end of their nation was happening. But the point I was making is that the IDF or other security organs of the government could easily, continually sabotage the flow of the resource so some sort of accommodation with Israel would HAVE to be made, period.

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Yes, I was ignoring the Palestinian plans for total ownership of Israel. Mr Bassoon's question was:

Really, why would China even need to worry about Israel ?

I was responding from the perspective of "What's in it for China?" Why would President Xi leave a meeting with the Arab League and talk about the 2-State Solution, unless it had been discussed in the meeting?

IMO, The 2-State Solution isn't about the Palestinians, it's about the other Middle-Eastern countries keeping the Palestinians sequestered away from everyone else. Nobody in the Arab or Persian world wants to take responsibility for the Palestinians, and no one anywhere is going to let the Palestinians overrun Israel and get their hands on nuclear weapons. (China included.)

IMO, a multi-nation, Armageddon-style attack will be about more than just destroying the Jews: It will be a free-for-all over who gets control of Israel's assets.

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third_eye

No need for global conflict paranoia :

Israel's International Relations:

Israel-China Relations

(Updated January 2016)

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simplybill

third_eye,

I agree that China and Israel have good relations. As I said in post #14, from China's point of view it wouldn't be necessary to destroy Israel in order for China to reap the benefits of good relations with the Arab nations and Iran. From a business standpoint, peace in the Middle East would be a financial boon for everyone. However, I find it interesting that President Xi would leave a business meeting in Egypt, and then talk to the media about Israeli/Palestinian relations. I'm wondering what kind of back-room deals were made that prompted President Xi's to make those comments.

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third_eye

third_eye,

I agree that China and Israel have good relations. As I said in post #14, from China's point of view it wouldn't be necessary to destroy Israel in order for China to reap the benefits of good relations with the Arab nations and Iran. From a business standpoint, peace in the Middle East would be a financial boon for everyone. However, I find it interesting that President Xi would leave a business meeting in Egypt, and then talk to the media about Israeli/Palestinian relations. I'm wondering what kind of back-room deals were made that prompted President Xi's to make those comments.

I can't say with any kind of authority but one thing I can say for certainty is China and its foreign representatives is not prone to back room dealings contrary to most claims and Western dispositions, kinda one of the many reasons where the US and China has a poor record of diplomatic dealings ... just to present an example is the cross straits relations between Taiwan and Mainland China ~ this question of Palestine Statehood Status has been on the table for a long time ... I think this is more in relation to Iran's Sanctions being alleviated and the stink it is raising in the US Domestic Politics ~

` All forms of Financial and Economic boon will mean nothing if there are no concerted effort to maintain some form of Diplomatic Overtures in accordance to peaceful resolutions where all the Leaders in the region makes the effort to attain some form of ties that is workable for the near and far future ~ whether it is successful is still left to be seen but as far as things goes as it is going now, at least we are seeing that whatever it is agreeable or not, those that wishes to work for a resolution should be accountable if not held responsible for the consequences.

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simplybill

third_eye,

I see your point. Instead of accusing China of participating in shady "back-room deals", maybe I should have asked, "What's the rest of the story?"

It just seems curious to me that President Xi and the Arab League were discussing Israeli/Palestinian relations.

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third_eye

third_eye,

I see your point. Instead of accusing China of participating in shady "back-room deals", maybe I should have asked, "What's the rest of the story?"

It just seems curious to me that President Xi and the Arab League were discussing Israeli/Palestinian relations.

That's well beyond what I can even guess at, for the time being my guess would be the One Belt One Road Initiative :

China’s One Belt One Road Initiative: What we know thus far

Submitted by Bert Hofman tw1.gif On Fri, 12/04/2015

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A brilliant plan

One Belt, One Road

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Head of China-HK strategy and Head of China Industrial Research provide an indepth analysis on what to expect in their Obor Silk Belt and Sea Road reports, available exclusively to CLSA clients.

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as for the rest of the story I guess we'll just have to wait and see ~

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simplybill

third_eye -

The CSLA link about One Belt, One Road was interesting. I see on their map that the route will extend north through the Adriatic Sea, rather than west across northern Africa, as I speculated earlier.

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third_eye -

The CSLA link about One Belt, One Road was interesting. I see on their map that the route will extend north through the Adriatic Sea, rather than west across northern Africa, as I speculated earlier.

early days still ~ its an open table and all are invited ... it depends on the initiatives and how and what the nations wants to contribute to it all ~

Third, China is a nation of contradictions. Alongside the above views and sentiments, many Chinese admire the accomplishments of the West and in many ways seek to emulate Western practices, especially in the economic and some social realms. And significant numbers of Chinese admire American freedoms and generally like the American people. For some of the older, educated generation, the pre-1949 history of Sino-American relations provides many examples of positive American behavior toward China. In addition, despite identification with the developing world and a strong suspicion of the supposedly arrogant and hegemonistic West, many Chinese take the historical view that the international system is in many ways hierarchical, and that larger, more imposing powers have a duty and responsibility to both guide and shape smaller powers in mutually beneficial directions. This is especially true for China’s relations with its smaller peripheral neighbors. For many Chinese, mutual respect, deference, and responsibility are a significant part of desired interstate behavior. This partly reflects not only China’s historical place in Asia, but also the general belief of many Chinese that adherence to proper principles of conduct should define relations in a hierarchical world. Hegemonic powers by definition don’t adhere to such proper principles.

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Yes, I was ignoring the Palestinian plans for total ownership of Israel. Mr Bassoon's question was:

I was responding from the perspective of "What's in it for China?" Why would President Xi leave a meeting with the Arab League and talk about the 2-State Solution, unless it had been discussed in the meeting?

IMO, The 2-State Solution isn't about the Palestinians, it's about the other Middle-Eastern countries keeping the Palestinians sequestered away from everyone else. Nobody in the Arab or Persian world wants to take responsibility for the Palestinians, and no one anywhere is going to let the Palestinians overrun Israel and get their hands on nuclear weapons. (China included.)

IMO, a multi-nation, Armageddon-style attack will be about more than just destroying the Jews: It will be a free-for-all over who gets control of Israel's assets.

I see. Well you can imagine the chaos that will ensue, regardless the players or reasons when they make their attempt. I agree that there will be a mask for the hypocrites to wear while they try a second holocaust. Sad thing is they'll nearly succeed.
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I For one agree with China's support for a Palestinian state. A 2 state solution is the solution. I personally think that Palestine and Israel should be 1 state and given back to the Palestinians. Unfortunately that's not likely to happen. But a 2 state solution would be best for now.

The problem is that Netanyahu is a racist hatemongerer and doesn't want a 2 state solution. And as long as he and his despicable regime is around. there wont be any peace.

And also the problem is a lot of people buy into the anti arab, anti Palestinian propaganda.

By right Israel is important to Christians, Jews and Muslims and should and could be shared by all 3.

they could have a government made of jews,Christians and muslims. they could have a 2 state solution and they could get rid of the illegal settlers and give that land back to Palestine.

that way no more hoohah. but as I've said until Netanyahu goes and a more moderate government take place it won't happen.

I know posters will probably mention Hamas and the knife attacks by Palestinians. I'm sure if there was a solution then Hamas wouldn't be doing anything. abnd for the knife attacks, well of course it's wrong and I fuly condemn both sides when there using violence.

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