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Merc14

Hillary Clinton's nightmare

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OverSword

Indict, indict, indict!!!! Off with her head!

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Shadowpup

He's known for throwing people under the bus, here's hoping his aim is true on this one.

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Hillary Clinton is in serious trouble and it has nothing to do with Bernie Sanders or the republicans. Her mishandling of classified material of the highest order constitutes several felony offenses and now there are hints that she should be charged with espionage given that she had SAP (Special Access Program) information her unsecured server that she was not cleared to see. This means she had people inside the various intelligence agencies illegally feeding her SAP intelligence.

The following article is only two pages long and does one of the best jobs I have seen to date explaining why this is such a big deal and why her pretending to be a technological neophyte and therefore not competent to handle emails is not an excuse, it is an admission of guilt. Negligence is tantamount to guilt when handling classified material. http://townhall.com/...htmare-n2110841

Unless all the leaks are false there is no doubt that the FBI's case against Hillary should be presented to the Grand Jury and Hillary, with much of her staff, indicted but that requires the Attorney General, Lorretta Lynch, to act. She could appoint a special prosecutor, which isn't required given the FBI's work, ignore the evidence or Obama could try and bury everything through executive action. All of this would be seen as kicking the can down the road until Hillary is safely elected and would result in the FBI somehow letting all the dirt out into the open and Obama's already battered legacy being further tattered and besmirched.

Will Obama help his political enemy or feed her to the system? Protecting her would infuriate the FBI, the intelligence agencies, the DoD and a large portion of the American people but who knows how much of the dirt is on Obama's shoes? We should see some action this within the next month, I am guessing so stand by for heavy seas.

Yesterday I saw a prediction - the source would be wholly ridiculed here so no point in mentioning it - that she will be indicted, she will suffer a physical illness and will be pardoned as a result of the sympathy she'll receive. I assume that means she will use this as an out to somewhat gracefully step away from the campaign though that wasn't specifically mentioned. It's a completely plausible (in today's climate) scenario, IMO. If such turnings are probable then I think they will happen sooner rather than later. Crazy Uncle Joe with a side order of real socialism, anyone, anyone?
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Indict, indict, indict!!!! Off with her head!

She well and truly deserves it if but for Benghazi alone!
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Merc14

This article claims the FBI wants to bring charges : http://www.washingto...article/2581811

The FBI can only recommend that she be charged with a crime, they have no power to indict, that is wholly up to the Attorney General which means it is up to Obama.

Don't forget that a great big chunk of her staff, who all signed similar security agreements, should be charged as well. Hillary ordering them to break security protocols is not an excuse, they are obligated to report any infractions to the chain of command or if that isn't plausible, the FBI.

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The FBI can only recommend that she be charged with a crime, they have no power to indict, that is wholly up to the Attorney General which means it is up to Obama.

Don't forget that a great big chunk of her staff, who all signed similar security agreements, should be charged as well. Hillary ordering them to break security protocols is not an excuse, they are obligated to report any infractions to the chain of command or if that isn't plausible, the FBI.

If Obama decides to pardon, can he do so "pre- emptively"? Can he just wave the pen and make it, essentially, go away? Assuming of course that she steps down as a candidate? I'd love to see the truth brought into full view so that she and her cronies could be held to account civilly by the families of the Benghazi dead especially.
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Farmer77

I live in fear of making a HIPAA violation and she gets away with this? Ahhhh life in an oligarchy

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Merc14

If Obama decides to pardon, can he do so "pre- emptively"? Can he just wave the pen and make it, essentially, go away? Assuming of course that she steps down as a candidate? I'd love to see the truth brought into full view so that she and her cronies could be held to account civilly by the families of the Benghazi dead especially.

She can't be pardoned unless she is found guilty so no, at least as far as I know. Who knows what this White House is capable of though and you have the hard cores that would vote for her regardless. I've seen the Clinton's escape the sure thing many times but this one is pretty bad and is outside politics.

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Buzz_Light_Year

Hitlery is America's nightmare.

Those that could be held culpable goes so far down the Rabbit Hole that the Chinese would have jurisdiction over the judicial proceedings.

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.ZZ.

She can't be pardoned unless she is found guilty so no, at least as far as I know. Who knows what this White House is capable of though and you have the hard cores that would vote for her regardless. I've seen the Clinton's escape the sure thing many times but this one is pretty bad and is outside politics.

I'm going to go off topic for a bit, but Nixon wasn't pardoned by Ford without being found guilty?

Back to Clinton.

I hope she will be indicted, but I will be very surprised if Obama's DoJ would do that. Actually, I'll be shocked!

Her server scandal is a national disgrace, but what really gets to me is her lying to the Benghazi victim's families. Looking into their eyes and BSing them about some obscure internet video being the reason for their deaths.

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Merc14

I'm going to go off topic for a bit, but Nixon wasn't pardoned by Ford without being found guilty?

You are absolutely correct ZZ! Thanks for clearing that up. From this article http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ford-pardons-nixon

In a controversial executive action, President Gerald Ford pardons his disgraced predecessor Richard Nixon for any crimes he may have committed or participated in while in office. Ford later defended this action before the House Judiciary Committee, explaining that he wanted to end the national divisions created by the Watergate scandal.

Back to Clinton.

I hope she will be indicted, but I will be very surprised if Obama's DoJ would do that. Actually, I'll be shocked!

Her server scandal is a national disgrace, but what really gets to me is her lying to the Benghazi victim's families. Looking into their eyes and BSing them about some obscure internet video being the reason for their deaths.

Yes, Benghazi was national disgrace but her lie was not illegal, it was a bald faced lie. Her handling of classified material, however, is a felony and in this case multiple felonies of a very high order. That is not to say that Lynch won't do the usual Obama administration banana republic deal, though, I am not that naïve. Everything about this administration is bad.

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third_eye

Don't write off a backroom deal ... a pardon for a pardon ... beg your pardon ?

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Bush's Top Aides Exposed an Undercover CIA Agent To Silence Critics

On July 14, 2003, columnist Robert Novak -- a staunchly partisan Republican and ally of the Bush administration -- wrote a column attacking Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who had investigated the allegations that Iraq tried to buy uranium in Niger (and concluded they were false). Novak wrote:

"Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction. Two senior administration officials told me Wilson's wife suggested sending him to Niger to investigate the Italian report."

Several other journalists besides Novak were contacted by the two Bush Administration officials, who encouraged them to report these facts, though Novak was the only one to publish the story directly. An administration official confirmed to the Washington Post that the two officials had contacted at least 6 journalists with the information in an effort to discredit Wilson. Reporters were contacted at Time Magazine and 3 TV networks, including NBC-TV's Andrea Mitchell (who was called after Novak's column appeared.) CNN reports that "sources" confirmed these contacts to them as well. After Novak's column appeared, some of the others discussed the story, including Time Magazine, Long Island Newsday and the Washington Post.

For fairly obvious reasons, it is a felony (punished by 10 years in prison) to reveal the identity of an undercover agent. In fact President Bush's father, the first President Bush, said in a 1999 speech that those who expose the names of intelligence sources are "the most insidious of traitors."

  • real change org link

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Plame affair

The Plame affair (also known as the CIA leak scandal and Plamegate) was a political scandal that revolved around journalist Robert Novak's public identification of Valerie Plame as a covert Central Intelligence Agency officer in 2003.[1][2][3]

In 2002, Plame wrote a memo to her superiors in which she expressed her hesitance to recommend her husband, former diplomat Joseph C. Wilson, to the CIA for a mission to Niger to investigate claims that Iraq had arranged to purchase and import uranium from the country, but stated that he "may be in a position to assist".[4] After President George W. Bush stated that "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa" during the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Wilson published a July 2003 op-ed in The New York Times stating his doubts during the mission that any such transaction had taken place.[5] A Senate intelligence committee report in July 2004, however, found that for most intelligence analysts, Wilson's report had bolstered the case for the purchase of uranium.[6]

A week after Wilson's op-ed was published, Novak published a column which mentioned claims from "two senior administration officials" that Plame had been the one to suggest sending her husband. Novak had learned of Plame's employment, which was classified information, from State Department official Richard Armitage.[2] David Corn and others suggested that Armitage and other officials had leaked the information as political retribution for Wilson's article.

The scandal led to a criminal investigation; no one was charged for the leak itself. Scooter Libby was convicted of lying to investigators. His prison sentence was ultimately commuted by President Bush.

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DieChecker

Yes, Benghazi was national disgrace but her lie was not illegal, it was a bald faced lie. Her handling of classified material, however, is a felony and in this case multiple felonies of a very high order. That is not to say that Lynch won't do the usual Obama administration banana republic deal, though, I am not that naïve. Everything about this administration is bad.

If all that happens is that she has to walk away from the Presidential Campaign, and go back to her money laundering Clinton Foundation, then I'll consider the extensive FBI investigations to be justified.

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DieChecker
It disgusts me at a very deep level to see this woman laugh it off and blame her enemies for something that very obviously has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with national security.

It does really bother me also that she just laughs off important questions and never gives an answer.

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Maureen_jacobs

Sometimes I wonder if the government is testing us. Doing some wacky stuff in order to push us to see if we will revolt.

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I'm going to go off topic for a bit, but Nixon wasn't pardoned by Ford without being found guilty?

Back to Clinton.

I hope she will be indicted, but I will be very surprised if Obama's DoJ would do that. Actually, I'll be shocked!

Her server scandal is a national disgrace, but what really gets to me is her lying to the Benghazi victim's families. Looking into their eyes and BSing them about some obscure internet video being the reason for their deaths.

I totally agree. Benghazi should never be forgotten and those who allowed the men to die when they could have been saved should PAY. Their careers first, then restitution to the families and if possible, even some jail time. I believe those guys were cut loose and allowed to die to save Obama's campaign.
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.ZZ.

I totally agree. Benghazi should never be forgotten and those who allowed the men to die when they could have been saved should PAY. Their careers first, then restitution to the families and if possible, even some jail time. I believe those guys were cut loose and allowed to die to save Obama's campaign.

It looks like her house of cards is falling.

We all know the WH is doing everything they can to protect her. They won't even admit she is under investigation, only her server. It's beyond belief to see her supporters on TV defending her. "Much ado about nothing" they gush.

If the FBI recommends prosecution and Lynch doesn't go forward, they say that mass resignations will follow.

I've had enough of that criminal!

I want Hillary and her BFF Huma to wear orange prison garb.

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2-B

It does really bother me also that she just laughs off important questions and never gives an answer.

Journalist: "Mrs. Clinton, did you wipe the server clean at any point?"

Hillary: "What? You mean, like, with a cloth?"

You mean like that?

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Merc14
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Baz Dane

She can't be pardoned unless she is found guilty so no, at least as far as I know.

Oh she can be pardoned before being found guilty alright...

Duane Clarridge

- "On Christmas Eve 1992 in the waning hours of his presidency, George H. W. Bush pardoned Clarridge before his trial could finish."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Clarridge#Iran-Contra

Caspar Weinberger

- "Before he could be tried on the original charges, Weinberger received a pardon from President George H. W. Bush, who was Reagan's vice president during the scandal, on December 24, 1992."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar_Weinberger#Iran.E2.80.93Contra_affair

Bush also pardoned 4 more of his Iran/Contra buddies... Elliott Abrams, Robert McFarlane, Alan Fiers and Clair George.

Doing this ultimately quashed and brought to end Lawrence Walsh's Independent Counsel investigation of Iran/Contra.

So ya, Hillary could get indicted, and Obama could pardon her right away, before a trial, and she will just be back to her nasty old ways. Just like some of those Iran/Contra guys :tu:

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