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Mr Walker

he also hallucinated what you didnt write ! But anyway , shrug> he just got out of a 3 day hospital, stint so dont expect too much.

Wait .... maybe he ;

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This is what happens when a person with limited reading abilty reads something, without giving it his full attention. I was not in hospital. I did not go to Adelaide to see any medical person for myself. (No one was in hospital) I took my sister in law to Adelaide to see a specialist. He was on south terrace and the consult lasted about an hour.

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OR else you are deliberately misconstruing what I wrote . Which is it?

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Mr Walker

Why do you think Merrin said God does not does talk to him .

Twisting the conversation your way again :-*

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If god spoke to merrin, then merrin would have no reason to doubt or question whether god also spoke to others. Only those who either have never encountered god, or who only have such encounters when ill or under the influence find it unusual that god speaks to others while they are sane, sober and wide awake. .

Look at barbco's response for an alternative pov.

Is this a serious question? Even if it isn't, I'm going to give you an answer: I think He says "hello" to everyone of us, all the time. Up to the individual, if they choose to respond.

Indeed my question would be to anyone, " Why do you suppose it is, that you cant hear god trying to communicate with you. ? "

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XenoFish

Is it god or is it just your subconscious making you think that god is giving you the thumbs up? Sorry, but I've got to say that god only exist as an idea. Because throughout history, god has always had human qualities and is often represented as being the same race as those who created it. God also has emotional issue which is a human quality. The greek gods had the same problem. So toss out a few old god and add in the new hot shot on the block.

Everyone pumps the self up on this dopamine overlord. Crying and praying, fainting like fools. Getting touched by the holy hadouken. Creating conflicts based on this childish belief, sure they might do good at times when this subconscious nagging is strong or they want to give a good impression. Still it's all human, nothing divine about it.

God told me to post this.

God also told me to tell everyone that he doesn't care what wrong we do, only people seem to care, especially when it affects them. He told me to tell you that he's just an idea, a concept of divinity, without power except the power that is given him. True story lol

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Stubbly_Dooright

Think yourself lucky you weren't listening to AC/DC "Highway to hell"

What would be the thought process, if Led Zepplin's "Stairway to Heaven" would have gotten? :hmm:

You know, on that note, isn't it interesting that to songs, it's just a stairway to get to Heaven, but there is a whole big highway to get to Hell?! :o:D:devil:

U said feelings too... Having a feeling of something spiritual doesn't sound like a hallucination to me. I know medically feeling are categorized as hallucinations but if u have had an experience who is to say it's a hallucination...- people who don't believe in something more...

Well it depends on where this sentiment is going and why it's being disclosed as hallucinations. Feelings, yes, I agree with you. But when participating in an actual event, (that is hard to see as being real ), then yeah, I where Lucas is going.
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Mr Walker

Is it god or is it just your subconscious making you think that god is giving you the thumbs up? Sorry, but I've got to say that god only exist as an idea. Because throughout history, god has always had human qualities and is often represented as being the same race as those who created it. God also has emotional issue which is a human quality. The greek gods had the same problem. So toss out a few old god and add in the new hot shot on the block.

Everyone pumps the self up on this dopamine overlord. Crying and praying, fainting like fools. Getting touched by the holy hadouken. Creating conflicts based on this childish belief, sure they might do good at times when this subconscious nagging is strong or they want to give a good impression. Still it's all human, nothing divine about it.

God told me to post this.

God also told me to tell everyone that he doesn't care what wrong we do, only people seem to care, especially when it affects them. He told me to tell you that he's just an idea, a concept of divinity, without power except the power that is given him. True story lol

The answer to the bolded question lies in the context of the conversation, and the nature of information imparted by the entity you are conversing with.

I appreciate you BELIEVE "Sorry, but I've got to say that god only exist as an idea." but the evidences of my life and connection to a very real god make it clear to me that your belief is wrong. The most compelling reason for this is that I would be dead a number of times :) without the direct clear and unequivocal physical and vocal intervention of this entity I do agree however that both the nature of the cosmic consciousness and the nature of its quite personal relationship with humans means that everyone of us will inevitably perceive a slightly different nature of the entity But we should understand this because it is true for our relationships with EVERY real thing (cat dog strawberries or women) on this planet. For example the individual feedback we get from any interaction informs and shapes the way we evolve our relationship with any entity. . Have a cat bite you and you will form a very different relationship than if it licks you and curls up on your lap.

Naturally a god has the qualities of those who worship it. If it did not there would be no way for god and worshipper to connect on any level. Don't forget that gods include the animist spirits of the first hunter gatherers, the greco roman and norse gods etc the sky god of the mongols and all other human perceptions of god. But if we cannot comprehend or interact with an entity or it with us then it cannot become a god . And of course gods " speak our language " How else could we communicate with them :)

My own experience suggests that god doesn't speak our language at all "His" mind connects to our own in a direct "mind meld" and his thoughts are translated by our mind into our individual languages. Or he creates dreams and visions to help us learn understand and see/comprehend. A human being HAS to understand and interpret god though its own level of knowledge understanding and development i can't perceive the god perceived by a cromagnon hunter ANd they could not possibly perceive god as i can do, with a knoldge of matter transmission modern technology and a scientific understanding of our world.

If i open my mind to god, then god can give me the same skills and abilities such an opening would give the cro magnon man eg to locate and sucessfully hunt animals (in my case it works to find a car park), :) But the cromagnon man simply could not appreciate that god might work through advanced technologies, as i can do.

For me god has done the opposite of what you describe. It has shown me how to control my mind and how to think in different ways. How to control the evolved biological drivers of a primate, and control my emotions and impulses through will discipline and knowledge to produce constructive positive outcomes in my life and the lives of those around me. .

If i want to produce dopamine i can do so at will, along with several other chemicals, including natural pain killers and various other endorphins, as well as adrenalin, but i usually chose to keep my mind and body clear of ALL chemical drivers, as far as i can. So i neither take external chemicals, nor allow my body to respond chemically to environmental stimuli, but rather respond intellectually and rationally. Thus, i do only what I consciously chose to do based on known outcomes and never what a primitive biological impulse of fear, envy, lust, greed, anger, hatred, etc tries to drive me to do.

One of the things god has taught me, is that to maximise my potential i need to have the healthiest and fittest mind i can, which means not reducing its effectiveness or capability with any synthetic, or natural, drug. The truest (and most powerful) me is the one which exists when my mind is at its most self aware and conscious state of enlightenment. Along with training and discipline of the mind, this means avoiding ANY substance which might reduce that self awareness and conscious control. of the mind's operation.

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XenoFish

...and God said, "if you would knock off the sarcasm, YOU could hear me too"

God often speaks through us. Right now god is telling me I shouldn't have ate that pizza last night. Although I seem to not be able to define which god is talking to me.

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eight bits

Stubbly

You know, on that note, isn't it interesting that to songs, it's just a stairway to get to Heaven, but there is a whole big highway to get to Hell?! :o:D:devil:

It's Biblical !

Matthew 7:13-14

13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

I know; you think I'm a noodge everytime I mention this, and you didn't like The Eight Bits Good Parts Unwholely Bible. Try this, then, please: 3 chapters. The Sermon the Mount. Matthew 5-7.

Even Frank Sinatra likes it.

http://longform.org/...w-frank-sinatra

(See? I really did read Playboy for the articles.)

Playboy: All right, let’s start with the most basic question there is: Are you a religious man? Do you believe in God?

Sinatra: Well, that’ll do for openers. I think I can sum up my religious feelings in a couple of paragraphs. First: I believe in you and me. I’m like Albert Schweitzer and Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein in that I have a respect for life—in any form. I believe in nature, in the birds, the sea, the sky, in everything I can see or that there is real evidence for. If these things are what you mean by God, then I believe in God. But I don’t believe in a personal God to whom I look for comfort or for a natural on the next roll of the dice. I’m not unmindful of man’s seeming need for faith; I’m for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers or a bottle of Jack Daniel’s. But to me religion is a deeply personal thing in which man and God go it alone together, without the witch doctor in the middle. The witch doctor tries to convince us that we have to ask God for help, to spell out to him what we need, even to bribe him with prayer or cash on the line. Well, I believe that God knows what each of us wants and needs. It’s not necessary for us to make it to church on Sunday to reach Him. You can find Him anyplace. And if that sounds heretical, my source is pretty good: Matthew, Five to Seven, The Sermon on the Mount.

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back to earth

If god spoke to merrin, then merrin would have no reason to doubt or question whether god also spoke to others.

According to you .

But it is an obviously faulty premise. Do I really have to explain something so basic and simple to you ?

Only those who either have never encountered god, or who only have such encounters when ill or under the influence find it unusual that god speaks to others while they are sane, sober and wide awake. .

Of course its unusual Walker ! Thats why every person is not a priest of a prophet or a 'divine king' .

You are now just making stuff up to try and justify an assumption you made.

Look at barbco's response for an alternative pov.

Is this a serious question? Even if it isn't, I'm going to give you an answer: I think He says "hello" to everyone of us, all the time. Up to the individual, if they choose to respond.

And you look at my response as to why people think it happens .

Indeed my question would be to anyone, " Why do you suppose it is, that you cant hear god trying to communicate with you. ? "

and my response would be " Why are you are still assuming ... after me repeatedly bringing it to your attention.... that I cannot hear God communicating with me ? "

Same old stuff Walkies .... continually ... it might be good if you hopped off the roundabout for a bit ?

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XenoFish

I must have missed something and it feels great. :w00t:

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rashore

All righty folks... settle down and quit snipping at each other. It's not nice and for sure is not contributing anything to the topic. Please, keep the conversation civil and on track.

Rashore, moderating team

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XenoFish

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"All praise be unto the God of Moderation, might thee forgive us of our sins?"

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back to earth

snipin yo beggerpuss bro !

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Grandpa Greenman

Oh to have been a fly on the wall when this one was written.

I always question those who claim to know the mind of a god. It seems to have a tendency to get them into trouble. Is Satan speaking to us through Mick Jagger? Maybe, it is a brilliant song worthy of a demi god.

I have a bit of a wonky brain and it has given me some crazy hallucinations. I have also had strange experiences whose reality seemed all too real. Ghost don't scare me, but they do throw my sense reality all out of kilter. I have also had an epiphany. I had it the old fashioned way, sitting under a tree. It took me a while to figure it out. It takes time to sort things like that out. Don't be too quick to jump to conclusions.

Pleased to meet you, Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah... welcome to UM. ;)

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XenoFish

It is said that the devil is the ruler of this earth. And religion is an earthly thing, written by people. So it only make me think that the devils greatest trick is when he convinced people he's god. Come one lets face it. So many religions, so much conflict caused by those religions. If you were the devil and you wanted to cause strife amongst people then there is no better way. Just sweeten the pot a little.

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Mr Walker

According to you .

But it is an obviously faulty premise. Do I really have to explain something so basic and simple to you ?

Of course its unusual Walker ! Thats why every person is not a priest of a prophet or a 'divine king' .

You are now just making stuff up to try and justify an assumption you made.

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And you look at my response as to why people think it happens .

and my response would be " Why are you are still assuming ... after me repeatedly bringing it to your attention.... that I cannot hear God communicating with me ? "

Same old stuff Walkies .... continually ... it might be good if you hopped off the roundabout for a bit ?

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Just because i think differently to you doesn't make my way of thinking wrong.

It is logical and coherent. I learned both correct English usage plus the construction and deconstruction of "texts", written and oral, academically. i also studied logic and philosophy at uni and finally, the construction and nature of human cognition and thought processing, particularly as it relates to language and learning. I thus suspect that i think better/more logically/ more accurately, and more coherently than you do.

Yes, it is an assumption that merrin's comment means god does not talk to him, (or at least that merin BELIEVES god is not speaking to him, because he cant hear gods voice.) but it is a logical, deductive assumption, based on the available evidences, past and present, other examples, experience and knowledge; and thus likely to be true. I suspect it iS true After all, why would Merrin express any surprise or question at god talking to another person , if he was familiar with god speaking to him It would NOT be unusual to merrin, for a person to hear god, if HE also heard god.

As it turned out merrin confirmed that he does not hear the voice of god, but does have "mental health issues", which might cause him to hallucinate or hear voices which are NOT god's. This predisposes him to think that ALL people who hear, "the voice of god" must also have some mental health issue or be under the influence of something.

Your last question/comment doesn't make sense. I am not assuming anything. I asked why a person who could not hear god (and/ or perceive his presence in them and all about them) might consider himself unable to do so. If you can hear god, that excludes you from the question from the start.

Indeed my question would be to anyone, " Why do you suppose it is, that you cant hear god trying to communicate with you. ? "

So i would ask anyone who cannot hear the voice of god, "Why do YOU think the reason for that could be, when others can? In your opinion why can't you hear god?" "What do you think it is which is preventing you from hearing this clear, plain and powerful voice, which others hear so easily ?" "CAn you identify anything about your mindset which might hinder or prevent god from communicating with you?"

Now if you say you CAN hear god, you are automatically excluded from this question.

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GoldenWolf

It is said that the devil is the ruler of this earth. And religion is an earthly thing, written by people. So it only make me think that the devils greatest trick is when he convinced people he's god. Come one lets face it. So many religions, so much conflict caused by those religions. If you were the devil and you wanted to cause strife amongst people then there is no better way. Just sweeten the pot a little.

Isaiah 40:3

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Azazel

1 Enoch 10:8

The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.

A demon of the desert

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barbco196

Isaiah 40:3

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Azazel

1 Enoch 10:8

The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin.

A demon of the desert

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The book of Enoch isn't in The Bible for a reason. Satan IS tricky, so be careful what you read and accept as God's word.

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XenoFish

If the devils that tricky, then the best option is trusting none of it. There is no real word of God. It's all based on myth and/or exaggerated history. I'd like to think of Hercules and Samson as being brothers from a different culture.

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Mr Walker

If the devils that tricky, then the best option is trusting none of it. There is no real word of God. It's all based on myth and/or exaggerated history. I'd like to think of Hercules and Samson as being brothers from a different culture.

You will change your mind IF you experience direct contact /communication with god, OR you will go crazy trying to resolve reality and your desire to disbelieve. Myth and exaggerated history often represent interpretations of the real encounters of human beings with "god" Hercules and Samson are archetypal heroes. They share certain male characteristics, some constructive and some less so. They are how writers have constructed the REAL conflicts and challenges faced by ordinary men (and women) in those times. The writers have exaggerated the challenges and the responses of the heroes, but the moral lessons learned by and from those heroes are designed for the average human to learn from. They are teaching or morality stories. for adults The lord of the rings trilogy does exactly the same thing. with the challenge posed by nazism and fascism before ww2

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Grandpa Greenman

The book of Enoch isn't in The Bible for a reason. Satan IS tricky, so be careful what you read and accept as God's word.

What is the criteria for what is the actually word of god? Have you studied the history of the Bible itself? There has been a lot of fingers in the pot as too what went in and what was out. You know what they say about too many cooks spoiling the soup. Jesus himself, wrote nothing. It is based on hearsay that as to what he said and his life.

Every culture has it's own instruction book. What is they consider the word of their god depends on their culture. So how do you decide depends on your culture.

Here is a archive online of mankind's (sacred) texts. How does one decide, if you only read one of them?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

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Stubbly

It's Biblical !

Matthew 7:13-14

13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

I know; you think I'm a noodge everytime I mention this, and you didn't like The Eight Bits Good Parts Unwholely Bible. Try this, then, please: 3 chapters. The Sermon the Mount. Matthew 5-7.

Even Frank Sinatra likes it.

http://longform.org/...w-frank-sinatra

(See? I really did read Playboy for the articles.)

Well, I didn't know that, since I never read the bible all the way through, or heard that in a church I never attended on a regular basis. I should have, and probably be more attuned to old Blue Eyes, and his music. I have heard of his actions and such, but that will probably get me more to research that more over the first thing. ;)

I frankly heard this from a comedian, somewhere. I thought it was funny. :P;)

I must have missed something and it feels great. :w00t:

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Just curious..............................

......................................................... when are you going to put up the Jon Pertwee pic? :D:devil:

The book of Enoch isn't in The Bible for a reason. Satan IS tricky, so be careful what you read and accept as God's word.

If the devils that tricky, then the best option is trusting none of it. There is no real word of God. It's all based on myth and/or exaggerated history. I'd like to think of Hercules and Samson as being brothers from a different culture.

What is the criteria for what is the actually word of god? Have you studied the history of the Bible itself? There has been a lot of fingers in the pot as too what went in and what was out. You know what they say about too many cooks spoiling the soup. Jesus himself, wrote nothing. It is based on hearsay that as to what he said and his life.

Every culture has it's own instruction book. What is they consider the word of their god depends on their culture. So how do you decide depends on your culture.

Here is a archive online of mankind's (sacred) texts. How does one decide, if you only read one of them?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

I wonder, just for me that is anyways, why my belief and it's way of just messaging me through in the spirit ( if one looks at it that way ) and not taking things written down as truth (well for myself anyways )

I just have to continue to feel not as depended on materialistic ways of messages, for my spiritualisticness, because there are so many different things that say different things. *shrugs*

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What is the criteria for what is the actually word of god? Have you studied the history of the Bible itself? There has been a lot of fingers in the pot as too what went in and what was out. You know what they say about too many cooks spoiling the soup. Jesus himself, wrote nothing. It is based on hearsay that as to what he said and his life.

Every culture has it's own instruction book. What is they consider the word of their god depends on their culture. So how do you decide depends on your culture.

Here is a archive online of mankind's (sacred) texts. How does one decide, if you only read one of them?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

If there was a book, written about me, and I had the power to choose exactly what goes into that book, I'm going to exercise my authority. That is exactly what God did. To answer your question; yes, I'm well aware of the history of The Bible.

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GoldenWolf

If there was a book, written about me, and I had the power to choose exactly what goes into that book, I'm going to exercise my authority. That is exactly what God did. To answer your question; yes, I'm well aware of the history of The Bible.

A rancorous autobiography in which the author heaps blame on just about everyone who had the misfortune of knowing him -Merriam Webster Dictionary

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Stubbly_Dooright

If there was a book, written about me, and I had the power to choose exactly what goes into that book, I'm going to exercise my authority. That is exactly what God did. To answer your question; yes, I'm well aware of the history of The Bible.

Well, of course you would exercise your authority. ( I guess that is what it means where there is the difference between authorized biography and unauthorized biography. ;) )

Here's the thing, would you make it known, that a book about you is authorized? Would you make sure that you approved of it and made it known, like what was done with the Walter Isaacson's book "Steve Jobs" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_(book)

Here's a question for everyone. Is the bible authorized? :unsure:

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Podo

I was listening to music and thinking about God so I posted on my social media " I wonder what God's faith is." And God answered me!!! When I mentally tuned into the music that was playing, the song "I Won't Give Up" by Jason Mraz was playing!! God LITERALLY answered me in song! Please listen to the song before u comment!

Sorry bruh, you're super wrong. You just used your imagination.

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