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I was referring to (in general) some name calling by some that disagree with the anger displayed by the feelings towards radical Islam. No one actually called any names here. I knew that you didn't agree with the radical faction and I understand what you are saying. You don't want to put everyone in the same bag and put labels on everyone's back and I agree. Likely Guy this is what is so bad about issues like this, the innocent always pay the price. I would really like for Islam ....the true Islam....not the radical faction to take care of this issue, because like I said in a previous post...prior to 911 I had all the respect in the world for Islam and its people....still do....but its just hard to know which ones. :no:

Good post and glad we cleared this up. :tu:

seax B)

"First they came..." - Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

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I was referring to (in general) some name calling by some that disagree with the anger displayed by the feelings towards radical Islam. No one actually called any names here.

seax B)

I think you should visit some of black monks previous responses to various threads. If he is being facetious I think he needs to try a bit harder to reflect this, I just hope this person is not in a position to influence people in the real world.

I understand that people are angry with the migrant situation at the moment and that there is a lot of fear about radical Islam. My personal opinion is that the radical elements should be hunted down with extreme prejudice and brought to justice, whether that be legal justice or more likely death in the various forms that may take for people who live their lives in such a way.

The problem I have with statements from posters like black monk and a few others here is that they would (claim to) dispense violence before all else, and would persecute entire swathes of people based on their own fears and narrow view of the world.

We must always search first for a non violent solution, else we turn ourselves into the enemy. If a non violent solution cannot be found then I welcome the use of force, but it should never be the first and only course.

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I think you should visit some of black monks previous responses to various threads. If he is being facetious I think he needs to try a bit harder to reflect this, I just hope this person is not in a position to influence people in the real world.

I understand that people are angry with the migrant situation at the moment and that there is a lot of fear about radical Islam. My personal opinion is that the radical elements should be hunted down with extreme prejudice and brought to justice, whether that be legal justice or more likely death in the various forms that may take for people who live their lives in such a way.

The problem I have with statements from posters like black monk and a few others here is that they would (claim to) dispense violence before all else, and would persecute entire swathes of people based on their own fears and narrow view of the world.

We must always search first for a non violent solution, else we turn ourselves into the enemy. If a non violent solution cannot be found then I welcome the use of force, but it should never be the first and only course.

And I agree with you 199%, nobody likes war except for those that turn loose the dogs of war. Rational people work out the differences and move on. Believe me, I am in no way condoning war. When I speak it is in the context of fixing the problem.....assuming all diplomatic sources are depleted. And unfortunately these radicals are not going to negotiate, if they do....we won't be able to afford it. You always negotiate from strength and power then you can make a deal.

Thanks Gray Area...believe me...I'm not radical...I just want this nonsense to stop. It tears me up to hear about whole families killed. Small children that hurt no one.

Thanks for your thoughts,

seax :tu:

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Thanks Gray Area...believe me...I'm not radical...I just want this nonsense to stop. It tears me up to hear about whole families killed. Small children that hurt no one.

Thanks for your thoughts,

seax :tu:

You mean this nonsense?

http://www.middleeas...s-1990-39149394

Last month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.

The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group is the first to tally up the total number of civilian casualties from US-led counter-terrorism interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The PSR report is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University.

Yet it has been almost completely blacked out by the English-language media, despite being the first effort by a world-leading public health organisation to produce a scientifically robust calculation of the number of people killed by the US-UK-led “war on terror”.

Or maybe this?

“Two strange phenomena have come about in Basra which I have never seen before. The first is double and triple cancers in one patient. For example, leukemia and cancer of the stomach. We had one patient with 2 cancers – one in his stomach and kidney. Months later, primary cancer was developing in his other kidney–he had three different cancer types. The second is the clustering of cancer in families. We have 58 families here with more than one person affected by cancer. Dr Yasin, a general Surgeon here has two uncles, a sister and cousin affected with cancer. Dr Mazen, another specialist, has six family members suffering from cancer. My wife has nine members of her family with cancer”.

“Children in particular are susceptible to DU poisoning. They have a much higher absorption rate as their blood is being used to build and nourish their bones and they have a lot of soft tissues. Bone cancer and leukemia used to be diseases affecting them the most, however, cancer of the lymph system which can develop anywhere on the body, and has rarely been seen before the age of 12 is now also common.”

“We were accused of spreading propaganda for Saddam before the war. When I have gone to do talks I have had people accuse me of being pro-Saddam. Sometimes I feel afraid to even talk. Regime people have been stealing my data and calling it their own, and using it for their own agendas. The Kuwaitis banned me from entering Kuwait – we were accused of being Saddam supporters.”

Or maybe you mean this..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.

"Hundreds of Palestinian children have been killed and thousands injured over the reporting period as a result of the state party military operations, especially in Gaza where the state party proceeded to (conduct) air and naval strikes on densely populated areas with a significant presence of children, thus disregarding the principles of proportionality and distinction," the report said. Most Palestinian children arrested are accused of having thrown stones, an offence which can carry a penalty of up to 20 years in prison, the committee said. Israeli soldiers had testified to the often arbitrary nature of the arrests, it said.

Selective indignation R Us. All made possible by the most powerful weapon of mass destruction available to Man; that flickering little screen in the middle of your livingroom.

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You mean this nonsense?

Or maybe this?

Or maybe you mean this..

Selective indignation R Us. All made possible by the most powerful weapon of mass destruction available to Man; that flickering little screen in the middle of your livingroom.

Hello Phaeton80,

Hope you are doing well. Before I get started I want to say as I said in a previous post. War is a bad thing...many innocent people suffer. We can set here and argue all night but it is a philosophical argument that has been going on since man has been here. You know...everybody is right ....and they all have their supportive reasoning. Right and wrong are different things to different people and usually depends on who has the biggest gun, the most people, the most money, or more votes. The question is are there any absolutes.

The first article you posted said this "Western Wars Have Killed Four Million muslims since 1990." I think the key word here is 'since.' That indicates in my comprehension after the first Gulf War up to now. So prior to the Gulf War this was not an issue. Not meaning to sound insensitive but....they started it. One could assume that if that had not happened all that happened would not have occurred. And I might add, Sadam Hussein killed many muslims in his tenior as dictator of that nation.

The next article you posted through Global Research concerning the depleted uranium is in fact terrible...provided this information is accurate. The source you used has mixed reviews so before I take the bait on that I need some more proof.....but for the benefit of the doubt if this is true ...and the whole story was told it is terrible.

Anytime a child is abused and hurt is bad...they are innocent, but palestinians are well known for using children as shields, I have posted an article from New York Post for you to view explaining how they use 'their' children as shields.

http://nypost.com/20...-human-shields/

Here is an article from CNN "Who's Killing Muslims" I hope you read.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/opinion/obeidallah-al-qaeda-hypocrisy/

Really in my other post I was talking about apples....you came back with oranges....but for the sake of good will ... it is all terrible. War is bad...never good. But when you are attacked and threated you can't lay down and roll over. When militant muslims use children to clear mine fields...their own...they have a hard time convincing me of their rant on respect for human life. The best thing that can happen is Muslims stop the radical Muslims and the West stay out of it, because it turns into and ethnic and racial rant by the losing side .....which will be the Muslims.

Yes, Phaeton80....it is all nonsense...unfortunately.

seax :tu:

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Just out of curiosity, how carpets would perform the way

does?

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Okay, the last two posts made no sense. :huh:

You left out a word in your comment. Thousand placed between the two and the posts.

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Okay, the last two posts made no sense. :huh:

Seriously?

Browse for "Sharia in London", then try to use brains, if you haven't lost instruction how to do it...

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Seriously?

Browse for "Sharia in London", then try to use brains, if you haven't lost instruction how to do it...

My brain's fine. Your English, not so good.

WTF does Icelandic musicians have to do with the topic at hand?

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As for those numbskulls who oppose heroic anti-Islamist organisations like EDL and Pegida, I am rather suspicious of their stance and wonder just what their motive could be. It does make we wonder just why somebody would oppose groups who are against the Islamic takeover of Europe. It just doesn't make any sense to me and it's time such people were brought to account.

Here's a good reason why.

What made the Nazis’ anti-Islamic groups hatred of the Jews Muslims so unusual is that it was racial and it was biological. They believed that the Jews Muslims were not just the followers of an abhorrent religious doctrine, or that the Jews Muslims had grabbed too much economic influence, or even that they were too intrusive in politics or culture: what made the Nazis anti-Islamic groups hatred of the Jews Muslims so different is that they believed that the Jews Muslims were biologically and racially distinct and that there was a kind of biological struggle for dominance over the entire human race between the Jews Muslims and everybody else.

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Will you feel satisfied after your heroes killed 6 million Muslims?

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My brain's fine. Your English, not so good.

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My bad... Or is it me bad, sir?

[...]

WTF does Icelandic musicians have to do with the topic at hand?

The same as Swedes have, just look for Malmö and crime rates there (not related to musicians, btw).
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My bad... Or is it me bad, sir?

The same as Swedes have, just look for Malmö and crime rates there (not related to musicians, btw).

Okay, there's an increased crime rate in Sweden. Why was that so hard for you to spell that out?

Please, stop being so "cryptic". The more you do the less sense you make. It doesn't translate.

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Okay, there's an increased crime rate in Sweden. Why was that so hard for you to spell that out?

Please, stop being so "cryptic". The more you do the less sense you make. It doesn't translate.

Duly noted, I won't be so "cryptic".

Just out of curiosity, how you drive square wheeled car, if you can't understand simple clues?

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Duly noted, I won't be so "cryptic".

Just out of curiosity, how you drive square wheeled car, if you can't understand simple clues?

There you go being cryptic again.

The more you talk, the less sense you make.

Edit: I'm the one speaking plain English.

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There you go being cryptic again.

The more you talk, the less sense you make.

Edit: I'm the one speaking plain English.

OK, fair enough.
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Hello Phaeton80,

Hope you are doing well. Before I get started I want to say as I said in a previous post. War is a bad thing...many innocent people suffer. We can set here and argue all night but it is a philosophical argument that has been going on since man has been here. You know...everybody is right ....and they all have their supportive reasoning. Right and wrong are different things to different people and usually depends on who has the biggest gun, the most people, the most money, or more votes. The question is are there any absolutes.

The first article you posted said this "Western Wars Have Killed Four Million muslims since 1990." I think the key word here is 'since.' That indicates in my comprehension after the first Gulf War up to now. So prior to the Gulf War this was not an issue. Not meaning to sound insensitive but....they started it. One could assume that if that had not happened all that happened would not have occurred. And I might add, Sadam Hussein killed many muslims in his tenior as dictator of that nation.

So this is how you would respond to the referenced report:

- they started it (Gulf War);

- if not for Saddam, none of the ME interventions would have occurred;

- Saddam Hussein killed many Muslims.

I dont really know what to say to that, honestly. Color me flabbergasted. And I dare not ask whom you mean by 'they'.

The next article you posted through Global Research concerning the depleted uranium is in fact terrible...provided this information is accurate. The source you used has mixed reviews so before I take the bait on that I need some more proof.....but for the benefit of the doubt if this is true ...and the whole story was told it is terrible.

Anytime a child is abused and hurt is bad...they are innocent, but palestinians are well known for using children as shields, I have posted an article from New York Post for you to view explaining how they use 'their' children as shields.

http://nypost.com/20...-human-shields/

Would you see it thesame way if your children were the ones used? Even laying aside the question if this is a viable argument to wield against the whole number of child casualties that arose from those military operations.. If any given military even has the slightest bit of information children are present in any given target - no matter what the reason is - such military should not engage to bomb such a location. This should be without discussion. They have very able soldiers, they did not send them in. They bombed the place.

Here is an article from CNN "Who's Killing Muslims" I hope you read.

http://www.cnn.com/2...aeda-hypocrisy/

Exactly why ISIS should not be projected as representatives of 'Muslims', given the lionpart of their victims are Muslims. This has very little relation to the report I forwarded, unless you would like to rationalise by comparison. Imagine if it were the other way around, how would you respond to someone stating what you you do, if ~4 million Europeans would have died by the hands of 'non Westerners' over two decades or so. "Chauchesku killed many Europeans / Christians.." Come on.

Really in my other post I was talking about apples....you came back with oranges....but for the sake of good will ... it is all terrible. War is bad...never good. But when you are attacked and threated you can't lay down and roll over. When militant muslims use children to clear mine fields...their own...they have a hard time convincing me of their rant on respect for human life. The best thing that can happen is Muslims stop the radical Muslims and the West stay out of it, because it turns into and ethnic and racial rant by the losing side .....which will be the Muslims.

Yes, Phaeton80....it is all nonsense...unfortunately.

seax :tu:

Cheers Seax, hope this finds you well by the way. Apologies for the lack of courtesy.

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I wonder how long before this happens in the U.S.?

Once Obama goes and we elect a President with common sense, we MIGHT be ok.

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such fantastic energy against muslims

cannot believe it all happened when i was in bed farting

having grilled cheese sandwich watching according to jim

same with 99 percent of other muslims

dogs nipping at our feets and barking not worth the time

or missing episode of that show

we prefer news when its cold lol

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So this is how you would respond to the referenced report:

- they started it (Gulf War);

- if not for Saddam, none of the ME interventions would have occurred;

- Saddam Hussein killed many Muslims.

I dont really know what to say to that, honestly. Color me flabbergasted. And I dare not ask whom you mean by 'they'.

Did you read what I said. 'They' = Sadam Hussein and his cronies. I don't think he was Baptist...I believe Muslim. Other Muslims asked the US and its allies to intervene. They also dropped bombs...and I'm referring to Muslims in the region.

Are you denying that Sadam didn't kill Muslems?

Would you see it the same way if your children were the ones used? Even laying aside the question if this is a viable argument to wield against the whole number of child casualties that arose from those military operations.. If any given military even has the slightest bit of information children are present in any given target - no matter what the reason is - such military should not engage to bomb such a location. This should be without discussion. They have very able soldiers, they did not send them in. They bombed the place.

Did you read the article and the post I made? My children would not be used as shields....us evil Christians and the West don't use children and women to hide behind. This remark is completely asinine. Why don't you write radical Islam and ask them...blow off some steam at them instead of hot air about one defending ones self. I will say again ....it is terrible...but blow a gasket with radical Islam.

Exactly why ISIS should not be projected as representatives of 'Muslims', given the lionpart of their victims are Muslims. This has very little relation to the report I forwarded, unless you would like to rationalise by comparison. Imagine if it were the other way around, how would you respond to someone stating what you you do, if ~4 million Europeans would have died by the hands of 'non Westerners' over two decades or so. "Chauchesku killed many Europeans / Christians.." Come on.

So you are saying its ok if they kill Muslims, Muslims can kill all the Muslims they want. It's the Muslim religion that ISIS are claiming gives them the authority to murder, rape, molest innocent people with justification. You jump around too much...and basically just speaking from hatred and anger. I don't really think you are too interested in a discussion...but more so lecturing for the Muslim cause...I'm not interested in that. Sounds to me like Islam needs to play 'cowboy and radical Muslims' within itself.

And as for the 'lack of courtesy'...lol....I did't expect any from you nor want any.

cheers :tsu: seax

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Personally I could care less about a couple of misspelled words or grammar as long as I can understand what they are talking about. Now lack of paragraphs will make me crazy. :w00t:

Yup.. anyone posting the WALL OF TEXT should be beaten severely ;)
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"First they came..." - Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

Uh huh.... except the "they" in this case are the ISLAMISTS. :blink::wacko:
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