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EU referendum: 23 June date set for UK vote


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11 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Oh no, I just had a great realisation moment.

If the Chilcot inquiry doesnt destroy Blair the moron might make a return.

What, to take over Labour once again, like the returning messiah? Oh, I'd pay good money for that.

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5 minutes ago, freetoroam said:

ABSOLUTELY.

Not even doing it in pencil, stopped us winning.:lol:

Do ya reckon if they use water colors and the water is substituted by tears the other side could win round 2?... :lol:

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11 minutes ago, freetoroam said:

Ok, people want another vote! what? this is not a game of snap where you can just start again because you have lost. i voted UKIP  during the last election, could I have asked for another election .....and keep on asking on the off chance they will get in? ERRR NOOOO, it does not work that way.

As for Scotland, without their vote the leave vote would have been even more, Scotland and Ireland nearly kept us in. Let Scotland have their independence from England and then they can rejoin the EU. 

 

 

And of course London, which is what the Sour grapes campaign is all about, because the Metropolitan Elite (Bono*, Bob Geldof**, Thom Yorke off of radiohead, and so on) are furious that for once they weren't able to dominate the rest of the country.

 

* who's Irish

** and so's he 

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12 minutes ago, questionmark said:

Pssst! don't spoil the fun!

what re you talking about? If it had been a Leaver and the vote had gone against him, it would have been equally sour grapes. Why do you have such contempt for those who don't share your views on everything? 

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1 minute ago, Otto von Pickelhaube said:

what re you talking about? If it had been a Leaver and the vote had gone against him, it would have been equally sour grapes. Why do you have such contempt for those who don't share your views on everything? 

Then you will take it with a smile when Sturgeon and the Scottish parliament veto the Brexit next week?

How noble of you!

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In a desperate attempt to override the referendum result delivered on Thursday, Labour MP David Lammy has called on Parliament to block Britain’s departure from the European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/david-lammy-urges-parliament-to-stop-madness-by-ignoring-the-eu/

EXCUSE ME!!!!!?????

This man should be sacked!

how dare he say the people of Britain`s vote should be ignored. We have voted out, and he wants to ignore that?

This is an  mp who asks for his supporters trust and he  is condoning corruption!  I hope his supporters say something about this - and i do not mean agreeing with him.

This is disgraceful!

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8 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Do ya reckon if they use water colors and the water is substituted by tears the other side could win round 2?... :lol:

They could not win it if they used their own p**s.

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4 minutes ago, Otto von Pickelhaube said:

what re you talking about? If it had been a Leaver and the vote had gone against him, it would have been equally sour grapes. Why do you have such contempt for those who don't share your views on everything? 

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I think the official term for it is ----- flamebaiting ----  ^_^

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5 minutes ago, bee said:

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I think the official term for it is ----- flamebaiting ----  ^_^

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Sorry, I got carried away for ignoring much of the same from the same source these last 2 days. It will happen again.

 

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6 minutes ago, freetoroam said:

 

In a desperate attempt to override the referendum result delivered on Thursday, Labour MP David Lammy has called on Parliament to block Britain’s departure from the European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/david-lammy-urges-parliament-to-stop-madness-by-ignoring-the-eu/

EXCUSE ME!!!!!?????

This man should be sacked!

how dare he say the people of Britain`s vote should be ignored. We have voted out, and he wants to ignore that?

This is an  mp who asks for his supporters trust and he  is condoning corruption!  I hope his supporters say something about this - and i do not mean agreeing with him.

This is disgraceful!

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I know --- it's the new kind of 'Remain' style democracy - when you don't get the result you want you create a huge fuss and try and change the rules -:rolleyes:-- the next thing will be that they will try and put really heavy pressure on MPs to not start the article 50 process off to formally leave the EU -

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15 minutes ago, freetoroam said:

 

In a desperate attempt to override the referendum result delivered on Thursday, Labour MP David Lammy has called on Parliament to block Britain’s departure from the European Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/david-lammy-urges-parliament-to-stop-madness-by-ignoring-the-eu/

EXCUSE ME!!!!!?????

This man should be sacked!

how dare he say the people of Britain`s vote should be ignored. We have voted out, and he wants to ignore that?

This is an  mp who asks for his supporters trust and he  is condoning corruption!  I hope his supporters say something about this - and i do not mean agreeing with him.

This is disgraceful!

Former Higher Education & Skillz Minister. Could anyone remember him if they heard the name before now? Now where is he? All over the papers.

Getting in his bid for publicity, clearly,  

* Also from that story I noticed this .. 

 

:blush:

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* Actually to do him credit, mr. C (Corbyn, that is) seems to have some dignity as well, at least ..

Speaking for the first time since Brexit was confirmed, Mr Corbyn said: "The referendum has taken place, a decision has been made, I think we have got to accept that decision and work out our relationship with Europe in the future."

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Just now, Otto von Pickelhaube said:

Former Higher Education & Skillz Minister. Could anyone remember him if they heard the name before now? Now where is he? All over the papers.

Getting in his bid for publicity, clearly,  

* Also from thatstory I noticed this .. 

 

:blush:

Yeah, we noticed the Vatican city con too. I am no mathematician, but something surely does not add up.:blink: 

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I'm Happy that WE won

                 that Cam & Os are on their bikes

                 that Labour party members are sticking the Boot into Corbyn

                that Mrs Merkel is worried about the rest of the E.U 

                that nobody in the E.U.loves us  (we don't care)

                that all the so called "Experts" were wrong

                that I will never again vote for the Tories

               that the Russians now love us

               that we are again a Sovereign Country

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN

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12 minutes ago, freetoroam said:

Yeah, we noticed the Vatican city con too. I am no mathematician, but something surely does not add up.:blink: 

Sounds alot like Common Core math to me...

There is no right or wrong answer,anything will do just fill in the blank :whistle:

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IMO the media is hyping/exaggerating the claims of leave voters crying "woe is me, if I only knew..." and so on for the sole benefit of those voters in other countries inclined to vote leave as well.

PS I just want to add a thanks to the posters in the thread from both sides..I've learned a lot just reading it! Many smarty-pants posting at UM! :D

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The Germans have leaked a document this evening saying they are going to make Britain an offer of becoming an associate member of the EU with a free trade agreement.

Looks like we are going to get out and get what we want. And the Americans are sending their guy to mediate it being but in place.

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1 hour ago, freetoroam said:

ABSOLUTELY.

Not even doing it in pencil, stopped us winning.:lol:

what on earth does doing it in pencil have to do with it?

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3 minutes ago, Torchwood said:

what on earth does doing it in pencil have to do with it?

I believe it to mean it could be easily erased and changed...In a tongue in cheek kinda way of saying it lol ;)

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24 minutes ago, skliss said:

IMO the media is hyping/exaggerating the claims of leave voters crying "woe is me, if I only knew..." and so on for the sole benefit of those voters in other countries inclined to vote leave as well.

PS I just want to add a thanks to the posters in the thread from both sides..I've learned a lot just reading it! Many smarty-pants posting at UM! :D

I agree 100% with that first part of your post :tu:

I won't pretend to fully understand UK or EU politics,but i fully understand sovereign nations and real democracy and back the UK's decision completely!

Also it's been nice to see and discuss other "Yuuuuge" things going on in the world other than Donald vs Hillary... 

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1 hour ago, Otto von Pickelhaube said:

* Actually to do him credit, mr. C (Corbyn, that is) seems to have some dignity as well, at least ..

Speaking for the first time since Brexit was confirmed, Mr Corbyn said: "The referendum has taken place, a decision has been made, I think we have got to accept that decision and work out our relationship with Europe in the future."

...it must be said that regardless of which side your on regarding Brexit...the sad truth is that there is a lack of statesman quality politicians on all sides. Britain is a regional power taking a leap into the unknown without any plan. Boris and Nigel messed up royally without disclosing a plan B that could be costed and scrutinised and Cameron and Corbyn put up mediocre resistance by not demanding one. In fact what's even more disturbing is that they allowed and then supported a referendum on Brexit without demanding a clear and concise exit plan from the leave plan. The leave party have no idea what to do other than rubbish the current arrangement, and then relying on the advocate (Cameron) of the remain party to guild them through the murky waters of disengagement from the EU that they instigated. Can you believe that? 

And if that wasn't bad enough... the U.K. Is reaching out to the U.S. to stop the markets and Europe from tearing them a new one. 

It doesn't matter one iota whether brexit is right or wrong if the people leading the UK are incompetent and without a credible plan other than counting on the good will of others to stave of economic uncertainty. Without a proper leader to guild the UK all efforts will be for naught. And there are no current leaders worthy of this task to represent such a gullible electorate.

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21 hours ago, JVG said:

Nato is not much of a threat anyway...It comes down to who has more money and b---s. Russia is trying to get back to the glory years...Uk I am not sure if they really know what they did...

NATO should have gone the way of the Warsaw Pact after the ostensible end of the Cold War. It's original purpose was to protect members from attacks by the USSR. Now, it advances and enforces interventionist policies. It forces its will on sovereign states. It could be Serbia or Syria. It doesn't matter. Forced democracy, as well as regime changes, are the new goals of the new group. NATO now stands for "Nation-Building And Tyrant Overthrowing".

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I won't pretend to know a lot about British politics, but I found this article informative about different aspects of Brexit.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

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Laid out perfectly by someone on Twitter and posted in the Comments section of the Guardian.

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If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legislation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-manoeuvred and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

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That is the exact question Ive been pondering now :

 

Not SHOULD Britain, leave the EU, but WILL it? 

And the answer is that it won't.

They have no intention of carrying out the nations will, regardless of the outcome.

No matter how you voted onThursday this should anger you all-  your vote is all you've got, and it counts for nothing!

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