Deleted Posted July 4, 2016 #2151 Share Posted July 4, 2016 So Farage is withdrawing from politics. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH. Run Forest, run! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 4, 2016 #2152 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, bee said: . re the first paragraph --- we don't know if what you said is going to happen --- that's just Project Fear continuing So nothing's changed and therefore I would still vote Leave - my main reason for voting Leave was about having a self governing democracy anyway - And the second paragraph - see what I said to Setton in my post above . Well if the UK doesn't allow free EU movement of people and trade then there is no point of having a EU in the first place or allowing the UK to have the best of both worlds while the very same organisation thats being asked to make that concession is at a disadvantage. What about the others outside the EU like Norway and Switzerland that have agreed to allow free movement in exchange for free trade? Edited July 4, 2016 by Leto_loves_melange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 4, 2016 #2153 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 hours ago, bee said: . bit shocked but can't blame him for wanting his life back - politics will be more boring without him --- but cheers for everything Nige ... .. Boris resigns and now the second of the two "Ronnies" departs, coincidence? I think not. I suspect the British deep state is at work cleaning up the mess these clowns created. You pom's ain't going no where. The referendum has just been made superfluous by logic and national interests. Back in the EU for you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 4, 2016 #2154 Share Posted July 4, 2016 5 hours ago, Otto von Pickelhaube said: Oh, LLM is still treating us to his advice from the other side of the world about how the stupid, racist, gullible Brits ought to follow his advice because he's the expert, is he. Has he explained yet just why he seems so concerned about what a different country from his does? Im not the only one dispensing advice... So is ex British PM Tony Blair... http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/this-is-why-brexit-might-not-happen/news-story/bcfdb207ace0a039c1f31eeb01bf0403 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 4, 2016 #2155 Share Posted July 4, 2016 10 minutes ago, Leto_loves_melange said: Im not the only one dispensing advice... So is ex British PM Tony Blair... http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/this-is-why-brexit-might-not-happen/news-story/bcfdb207ace0a039c1f31eeb01bf0403 Oh god don't try and use him to support an argument It's a sign of how bad things have got that I agree with him on something... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted July 4, 2016 #2156 Share Posted July 4, 2016 All of the rules changed after 9/11 in the US. We used to be able to travel to Mexico, Canada and a lot of the Caribbean with only our birth certificate. Most of the time we weren't even asked for that, but now we have to have a passport. It doesn't make any sense to me that trade is contingent with freedom of movement. I guess it all or nothing over there...take it or leave it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 4, 2016 #2157 Share Posted July 4, 2016 13 minutes ago, Leto_loves_melange said: Im not the only one dispensing advice... So is ex British PM Tony Blair... http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/this-is-why-brexit-might-not-happen/news-story/bcfdb207ace0a039c1f31eeb01bf0403 even ex PM's want to protect their overseas investments..... ever heard of an HONEST politician? WE are out.... we are staying out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 4, 2016 #2158 Share Posted July 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Michelle said: All of the rules changed after 9/11 in the US. We used to be able to travel to Mexico, Canada and a lot of the Caribbean with only our birth certificate. Most of the time we weren't even asked for that, but now we have to have a passport. It doesn't make any sense to me that trade is contingent with freedom of movement. I guess it all or nothing over there...take it or leave it. Well given that they are both economic policies, it does make sense to tie them together. Free trade of whatever you have available and free movement of labour to ensure there are enough workers to continue that trade. Say, for example, they found massive oil fields in Poland. Poland will want to maximise that revenue but may not have workers with the necessary skills. If the trade is restricted to Poland, the price of oil there would plummet. Free trade and movement of labour means they can easily bring in workers and export the oil to other countries, maximising their own income from it and allowing other countries to benefit from that resource. A very simplified example but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 4, 2016 #2159 Share Posted July 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, seeder said: even ex PM's want to protect their overseas investments..... ever heard of an HONEST politician? WE are out.... we are staying out ...not if Tony and I can help it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted July 4, 2016 #2160 Share Posted July 4, 2016 7 minutes ago, Setton said: Well given that they are both economic policies, it does make sense to tie them together. Free trade of whatever you have available and free movement of labour to ensure there are enough workers to continue that trade. Say, for example, they found massive oil fields in Poland. Poland will want to maximise that revenue but may not have workers with the necessary skills. If the trade is restricted to Poland, the price of oil there would plummet. Free trade and movement of labour means they can easily bring in workers and export the oil to other countries, maximising their own income from it and allowing other countries to benefit from that resource. A very simplified example but you get the idea. Sorry, I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet and didn't make myself clear. I wasn't talking about relocating, but tourism. I'll keep my mouth shut until I can make a more coherent statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted July 4, 2016 #2161 Share Posted July 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Leto_loves_melange said: ...not if Tony and I can help it Oh? YOU...can change this can you? Tell me how...I can do with a chuckle....not that I havent already laughed at your claim... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 4, 2016 #2162 Share Posted July 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, Michelle said: Sorry, I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet and didn't make myself clear. I wasn't talking about relocating, but tourism. I'll keep my mouth shut until I can make a more coherent statement. Holidaying won't be affected. That's never been part of the UK membership. Some EU states have abolished borders with each other (known as Schengen Area) but the UK was never one of these. We've always had to use passports to holiday in other EU countries and vice versa. The only difference is we won't be able to stand in the EU nationals queues at airports. Which always seem to have longer queues anyway... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted July 4, 2016 #2163 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Leto_loves_melange said: Boris resigns and now the second of the two "Ronnies" departs, coincidence? I think not. I suspect the British deep state is at work cleaning up the mess these clowns created. You pom's ain't going no where. The referendum has just been made superfluous by logic and national interests. Back in the EU for you! What mess? Brexit is the best thing to happen to Britain. Edited July 4, 2016 by Black Monk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 4, 2016 #2164 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Leto_loves_melange said: Boris resigns and now the second of the two "Ronnies" departs, coincidence? I think not. I suspect the British deep state is at work cleaning up the mess these clowns created. You pom's ain't going no where. The referendum has just been made superfluous by logic and national interests. Back in the EU for you! Well, they had their "New Dawn" and now the mess is for the successors. Typical populist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 4, 2016 #2165 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Shouldn't Farage wait and see? We might still need him if the Tories try to go back on their promise of upholding the result of the referendum. What will also become of UKIP? I dont want their people to merge into the Tories, Labour and Liberals. I would like to see them setup shop as a centralist party to force Labour and the Tories left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 4, 2016 #2166 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Shouldn't Farage wait and see? We might still need him if the Tories try to go back on their promise of upholding the result of the referendum. What will also become of UKIP? I dont want their people to merge into the Tories, Labour and Liberals. I would like to see them setup shop as a centralist party to force Labour and the Tories left and right. It does not matter what happens, it will be a mess either way. And the finger will be pointed at those that are still on the top. Edited July 4, 2016 by questionmark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted July 4, 2016 #2167 Share Posted July 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, questionmark said: It does not matter what happens, it will be a mess either way. And the finger will be pointed at those that are still on the top. Whats with all the assumed negativity? Think about what we can go on to do as a resurgent Britain. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted July 4, 2016 #2168 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Just now, RabidMongoose said: Whats with all the assumed negativity? Think about what we can go on to do as a resurgent Britain. You first have to go through a lot of pain to get there. I wonder how many have the patience to to that before screaming for the scalp of a few people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted July 4, 2016 #2169 Share Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Leto_loves_melange said: Boris resigns and now the second of the two "Ronnies" departs, coincidence? I think not. I suspect the British deep state is at work cleaning up the mess these clowns created. You pom's ain't going no where. The referendum has just been made superfluous by logic and national interests. Back in the EU for you! Boris didn't run. He was stabbed in the back by Gove. As for "mess", there is no mess. There is Brexit, the greatest thing to have happened to Britain since 1945, which has come about because of the will of the British people. Mr Farage is a British hero who took on the entire British and EU establishment and won. And he has warned other parties to "watch this space" at the 2020 general election should they not fully implement Brexit. A lordship and a statue outside Westminster should be his rewards. Edited July 4, 2016 by Black Monk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted July 4, 2016 #2170 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Nigel Farage a National treasure, people might not see it today, but in time they will. once the path of the EU comes to fruition and is there for all to witness, that once again just like the Euro we have dodged a bullet. George Osborne is going to drop corporation tax to the lowest of any major economy. from 20% to 15%. Britain should now plot a course of tax rates similar to those of our overseas territories. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted July 4, 2016 #2171 Share Posted July 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Leto_loves_melange said: ...not if Tony and I can help it . hey LLM - I see they interviewed your girlfriend for youtube ---- 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted July 4, 2016 #2172 Share Posted July 4, 2016 "What is so bad about Europe? It's full of kind, thoughtful people". Evidence perhaps that people (older or younger) ought perhaps to only be allowed to vote if they can demonstrate that they have the faintest idea what it is they're actually giving their opinion on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted July 4, 2016 #2173 Share Posted July 4, 2016 50 minutes ago, bee said: . hey LLM - I see they interviewed your girlfriend for youtube ---- Its funny isn't it, How can these people not distinguish the difference between true Europe and the EU. The EU is NOT Europe its a political entity, its a cold hard, withdrawn, remote detached political system that does not represent the people of Europe. And the fact people think the sky is falling in is absolutely astonishing. Their like bloody lemmings in headlong rush to destruction. they just cannot see it, by the time they realise their off the edge and gone. imagine if people reacted the same way to a Political Party, you'd think they where nuts. and that's what the EU is nuts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted July 4, 2016 #2174 Share Posted July 4, 2016 2 hours ago, bee said: . hey LLM - I see they interviewed your girlfriend for youtube ---- Another Boo-hooer, she can join that foul mouthed tramp Charlotte Church for over reaction. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3673750/Charlotte-Church-blasts-Nigel-Farage-piece-s-tweets-want-f-ing-European-Union-back.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 4, 2016 #2175 Share Posted July 4, 2016 5 hours ago, Black Monk said: What mess? Brexit is the best thing to happen to Britain. Maybe those susceptible to populist rhetoric might think so but it's crystal clear that the establishment and markets don't think so. I'm going with the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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